The Avengers The Avengers Critics Reviews Thread - Part 1

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Exactly. I would have been mad if Loki got off even slightly easy in this. I love movies where the villain gets whats coming to them in a big way. It just makes the movie more satisfying for me. Loki deserved to be beat down and humiliated and i couldn't think of a better way it could have been done.


I totally agree.
At the end of a movie like The Avengers, where the villain(s) has wreaked massive carnage, there needs to needs to be a savage reckoning. Having the Hulk beat him senseless was a great way to humiliate him physically and emotionally.


In my opinion, however, Loki did get off relatively easy. Ideally, he should have been seriously injured by the Hulk, then carted off to Asgard to face Odin (who will probably kiss his boo-boos anyway).
 
You simply are reading different reviewers than I am bonzo. opinion (not mine anyway) has nothing to do with it. But I have not claimed that anti-Whedonism is significantly hurting the Avengers overall scores/reviews. I dont believe that at all.
 
and my point was that tv critics, on the whole, respect Whedon MORE than their film counterparts. Which makes perfect sense since, other than Serenity (which was of course a continuation of a tv show), hes been exclusively a tv guy. the tv critic has hundreds of hours of Whedon material to judge.
 
Figs please dont elaborate on redacted spoilers without redacting yourself. Thanks. Please be courteous by erring on the side of caution.
 
Alot of reviewers I don't trust like ign, especially. But so many credible reviewers are saying this a really good movie. This is great news. After the trailer I thought this was going to be transformers 4, but looks like Whedon got this.
 
I know, I got that point, but you said he wasn't respected by film critics because he's a genre guy and they don't like genre. I was pointing out that plenty of TV critics don't like genre and still like Whedon.

Can you point to some top US film critics' reviews of Avengers, Cabin, or Serenity that seem to have an anti-Whedon bias? I've read a lot of them, and they all seem to either be respectful toward him, or at worst, indifferent/unfamiliar.
 
and my point was that tv critics, on the whole, respect Whedon MORE than their film counterparts. Which makes perfect sense since, other than Serenity (which was of course a continuation of a tv show), hes been exclusively a tv guy. the tv critic has hundreds of hours of Whedon material to judge.

You simply are reading different reviewers than I am bonzo. opinion (not mine anyway) has nothing to do with it. But I have not claimed that anti-Whedonism is significantly hurting the Avengers overall scores/reviews. I dont believe that at all.

You really should quote the posts to which you are responding, for the sake of clarity. Otherwise, your posts either look like non sequiturs or, worse, as if you are responding to the posts above them, which may not be the case.
 
Sorry, you're right, thanks for quoting them. You were talking to me, right?
 
I like how El Payaso thinks three of the best moments in the movie are forced. And I like how people think a movie with a 96 percent RT score and an 8.1 rating getting a few 3.5/5 scores is "very worrying." Sigh.

Ah phew. Thank god you liked it.



I haven't seen the movie yet, but from the first time I heard about this scene I instantly knew that it's meant to be a "good job bro" kind of slug in the arm. It's not exactly random when people tend to do this at times.

It didn't look or feel like that. More like [BLACKOUT]Hulk took advantage of the moment to punch Thor. Maybe because of their previous fight, who cares, we just had to laugh I guess.[/BLACKOUT]




Wow.

No seriously, wow.

You were unable to have fun with probably two of the most fun scenes in the movie in Thor/Hulk & Hulk/Loki. Those two scenes were probably the largest crowd pleasers at my screening. I can potentially understand your gripe with Coulson's death, however this movie was not meant to be dramatic in the way you envisioned that scene.

Wow.

No seriously, wow.

You thought [BLACKOUT]Coulson's death should not have been dramatic. I'm sorry but the death of a noble character you've been knowing for 3 movies or so should have been more than a joke. In fact, it was. It's just that they bthopught a joke in the middle was a great idea.
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(hey, I know how to use 'wow' for dramatic purposes :))

Hulk [BLACKOUT]punching Thor was about "dominance" or the idea that Hulk thinks himself to be the dominant one. The fact that it's unexpected just makes it even better.
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I think we had [BLACKOUT]a whole fight against Thor[/BLACKOUT] to make that point.

Someone else said this earlier, but Loki was giving his super villain [BLACKOUT]monologue and of course a rage monster isn't gonna sit there listening to it. Sure, would I have liked to see a more drawn out Loki-Hulk fight? Ya, that would've been nice. It's not as though it wasn't enjoyable to me though to see him lay waste to Loki.[/BLACKOUT] That entire act was a crescendo. To have slowed it down for a more intense battle between the two would've ruined the pacing.

I'm not talking about a[BLACKOUT] long fight. Just not show Loki like a clown[/BLACKOUT]. There's a difference.





I totally agree.
At the end of a movie like The Avengers, where the villain(s) has wreaked massive carnage, there needs to needs to be a savage reckoning. Having the Hulk beat him senseless was a great way to humiliate him physically and emotionally.

I agree. Once again, it's not the what but the how. [BLACKOUT]If they don't turn Loki into a clown and the scene into a slapstick comedy, I'm okay with him being humilliated by the heroes.[/BLACKOUT]

In my opinion, however, Loki did get off relatively easy. Ideally, he should have been seriously injured by the Hulk, then carted off to Asgard to face Odin (who will probably kiss his boo-boos anyway).

A-HA. See? That's what I was talking about.
 

The Coming Soon review is positive, but some of his criticisms of the film are rather bizarre. Chitwood takes issue with the Selvig scene at the end of Thor, for instance, because he mistakenly thinks that [BLACKOUT]Loki was impersonating Selvig there. [/BLACKOUT] That shows that he either isn't too swift or he simply did not pay attention to the scene at all, then confused himself about the situation when he watched The Avengers.


Chitwood did a better job than the person who reviewed CA:TFA for CS. That person was upset with the movie because Bucky was a grown man and a soldier instead of a 15-year-old camp mascot whom Cap took into battle with him. He thought that having an underage male damsel to rescue would have made the movie more dramatic. :whatever:
 
uuuhh [blackout]I wouldn't exactly call "So that's what that does." a "joke". At all, nor "forced humor". It was more of a triumphant line to give Coulson a badass farewell. Would've been really lame if he didn't get some of kind of due. Yeah you chuckle at it, but it's in a bittersweet way.[/blackout]

And if you don't understand why [blackout]Hulk hit Thor[/blackout] I don't really even know what to say.
 
uuuhh [blackout]I wouldn't exactly call "So that's what that does." a "joke". At all, nor "forced humor". It was more of a triumphant line to give Coulson a badass farewell. Would've been really lame if he didn't get some of kind of due. Yeah you chuckle at it, but it's in a bittersweet way.[/blackout]

And if you don't understand why [blackout]Hulk hit Thor[/blackout] I don't really even know what to say.

El Payaso wanted a Shakespearean death ..... in a comic book movie. LOL.
 
I'm so glad that the Movie was just a fun popcorn blockbuster and doesn't take itself too serious at every turn. As much as I enjoyed TDKR and watched it multiple times in theaters, I miss some of the fun moments that come with comic book movies.

I really think a Batman Movie could, for example, use a little of this.

[YT]lWN-a-A8ock[/YT]
 
Wow.

No seriously, wow.

You thought [BLACKOUT]Coulson's death should not have been dramatic. I'm sorry but the death of a noble character you've been knowing for 3 movies or so should have been more than a joke. In fact, it was. It's just that they bthopught a joke in the middle was a great idea.
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(hey, I know how to use 'wow' for dramatic purposes :))

Your understanding & usage of "drama" is vastly overrated.


I think we had [BLACKOUT]a whole fight against Thor[/BLACKOUT] to make that point.

Have you not watched too heavy hitting alphas before? It doesn't stop after 1 round. They always want to assert themselves as the dominant one.

I'm not talking about a[BLACKOUT] long fight. Just not show Loki like a clown[/BLACKOUT]. There's a difference.

He wasn't shown to be a clown. [BLACKOUT] He was shown to have been taken by the element of surprise as he was unaware the Hulk was no longer under his mind-control.[/BLACKOUT]

I noticed this had to be explained to you before .....[BLACKOUT] the whole thing about the staff on board the helicarrier.[/BLACKOUT] For someone who fancies himself as understanding of the finer details in movies, you sure missed the Titanic on that one.
 
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In my opinion, however, Loki did get off relatively easy. Ideally, he should have been seriously injured by the Hulk, then carted off to Asgard to face Odin (who will probably kiss his boo-boos anyway). [/SPOILER]

You're forgetting Loki's God status in regards to how the beating affected him physically. [BLACKOUT]He did lay there motionless after it with cuts on his face though. It's not like he was completely "unaffected."[/BLACKOUT]
 
It sounds like El Payaso just isn't a fan of Whedon's voice/style. All those examples are pure Whedon, and for most people, they are some of the movie's finest moments, but they are not going to work for everyone. As a huge Whedon fan, I loved all of them.
 
I'm so glad that the Movie was just a fun popcorn blockbuster and doesn't take itself too serious at every turn. As much as I enjoyed TDKR and watched it multiple times in theaters, I miss some of the fun moments that come with comic book movies.

I really think a Batman Movie could, for example, use a little of this.

[YT]lWN-a-A8ock[/YT]

You are joking I assume. I am glad that Whedon looks to have delivered but no need it to compare it what Nolan has done.
 
It sounds like El Payaso just isn't a fan of Whedon's voice/style. All those examples are pure Whedon, and for most people, they are some of the movie's finest moments, but they are not going to work for everyone. As a huge Whedon fan, I loved all of them.

Considering the fact that he said he was prepared to dislike the movie but ended up giving it a fairly positive review is quite an accomplishment by the movie already. People like him are probably the hardest to please, but the movie is good enough to overcome their skepticism.
 
You are joking I assume. I am glad that Whedon looks to have delivered but no need it to compare it what Nolan has done.

Why because two movies of the same genre can't be compared? I see nothing wrong with what he said.
 
uuuhh [blackout]I wouldn't exactly call "So that's what that does." a "joke". At all, nor "forced humor". It was more of a triumphant line to give Coulson a badass farewell. Would've been really lame if he didn't get some of kind of due. Yeah you chuckle at it, but it's in a bittersweet way.[/blackout]

Well,[BLACKOUT] it sounded like an attempt of humour right there. I'm not against Coulson playing the tough guy, but I felt it was done just to soften the scene.[/BLACKOUT]

And if you don't understand why [blackout]Hulk hit Thor[/blackout] I don't really even know what to say.

How about articulating an actual opinion on the scene? Sounds like a plan to me.



El Payaso wanted a Shakespearean death ..... in a comic book movie. LOL.

Branagh explained: "We also wanted family dynamics to be at the centre of things. We looked at relationships in a way that is paralleled by Biblical stories: deadly sibling rivalry, parents at war with children, the isolation of the tight royal circle. Shakespeare's treatment of familial problems endured by the rich and powerful was also an inspiration."

(Kenneth Branagh's Thor Inspired by Bible and Shakespeare)
http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/...s-thor-inspired-by-bible-and-shakespeare.html


"I think Henry V was an interesting example because, as a young man he was reckless and he kept bad company. People thought he'd make a terrible leader. His father was angry at him but he turned out to be a terrific leader. But he had to earn that privilege, earn that place by losing a lot of friends, losing power, losing family and making sacrifices. They're both stories of how you find yourself. A rite of passage. Both are a good identity story and very relatable."

(Kenneth Branagh Talks Thor's Connection to Shakespeare, Casting Controversy and Hawkeye Cameo)
http://www.reelz.com/movie-news/101...speare-casting-controversy-and-hawkeye-cameo/


"And I suppose that kind of a observation of ordinary human - although they're gods - frailties in people in positions of power is an obsession of great storytellers including Shakespeare and including the Marvel universe."

(Kenneth Branagh Explains Why Thor Really is like Shakespeare and the Royal Wedding)
http://io9.com/5798190/kenneth-bran...ally-is-like-shakespeareand-the-royal-wedding



Yeah, Thor, Loki and Shakespeare... what a stupid concept... :cwink:

(You must have really hated that movie man).

Your understanding & usage of "drama" is vastly overrated.

Is someone rating my use of it?

Have you not watched too heavy hitting alphas before? It doesn't stop after 1 round. They always want to assert themselves as the dominant one.

Even when fighting someone else as a team. No, I didn't know.

He wasn't shown to be a clown. [BLACKOUT] He was shown to have been taken by the element of surprise as he was unaware the Hulk was no longer under his mind-control.[/BLACKOUT]

Surprise element is okay. [BLACKOUT]Showing him groaning like that after the beating is just playing comedy. Not in the best moment... not the best kind of comedy for that moment either.[/BLACKOUT]

I noticed this had to be explained to you before .....[BLACKOUT] the whole thing about the staff on board the helicarrier.[/BLACKOUT] For someone who fancies himself as understanding of the finer details in movies, you sure missed the Titanic on that one.

That has nothing to do with what I'm saying anyways. I'm talking about the how it was done, not why.




It sounds like El Payaso just isn't a fan of Whedon's voice/style. All those examples are pure Whedon, and for most people, they are some of the movie's finest moments, but they are not going to work for everyone. As a huge Whedon fan, I loved all of them.

The Avengers might be the very first thing I see by Whedon. But as far as I can see, it's the same kind of humour used in many superhero movies.



Considering the fact that he said he was prepared to dislike the movie but ended up giving it a fairly positive review is quite an accomplishment by the movie already. People like him are probably the hardest to please, but the movie is good enough to overcome their skepticism.

Exactly. When not playing over-defensive, fans can see that the little list of problems I (or anyone) had with the movie shouldn't make them feel scared.
 
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The review on that bbc stream starts at more like 1:05:00 (one hour and five minutes). Thanks for the link man! Another rave.
 
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