The Dark Knight Rises The Avengers will be direct competition in 2011

[hatebox]

EDIT: apparently the Avengers release date is quite old news, so nvm I guess.

Marvel have confirmed that the Avengers Movie will be released on July 15 2011, July being the month the TDK sequel would no doubt have gone for given TDK's success in that period.

Is this a concern, or will Batman 3 be huge no matter what point of the summer it opens?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=50069

 

[Drizzle]

TDK wasn't successful because it opened in July. It could have opened in June and it wouldn't have made a difference. They could easily release the third one in June and still make a lot of money.

 

[Danielson]

A Dark Knight sequel could come the day after a nuclear war starts and kills 90% of the world population and it would still out draw anything Marvel does. I'm not worried.

 

[hatebox]

Obviously I agree with you both, but studios have always had a 'if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality', so I'm sure July is what they'd have preferred.

 

[Ronny Shade]

The Avengers movie is probably going to suck, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Besides, I thought that was coming in 2012

 

[FlawlessVictory]

This sucks. That July date is ideal because it gives it a nice stretch without big movies opening up during its run. And make no mistake about it, The Avengers will be huge, regardless of its quality. But what can WB do, they are waiting for Nolan and rightfully so. I have no doubt that a Nolan directed Batman 3 will be better than The Avengers, which will make more bank is debatable. With no Joker in the next Batman film and The Avengers being the first big production live action superhero team up film, I would have to lean towards The Avengers.

The biggest concern for me though was TDK making the money required for WB to want Nolan to direct another film, which will probably be his last anyway. Thankfully, TDK made that money and thensome. So how much this third one makes is ultimately not as important as what TDK grossed. Right now, the studio wants a Nolan 3rd film and that was what was most important to me.

 

[Ronny Shade]

There will always be another Batman movie.

It is the law of the universe.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

There will always be another Batman movie.

It is the law of the universe.

True, but I wanted another Nolan directed Batman movie and I wanted the studio to want another Nolan directed Batman movie. Thankfully, its ridiculous take at the BO assured us of this.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think its time to bring in David Fincher

 

[hatebox]

Releasing TDK in July was definitely a master stroke. It gave the film the sense that this is what summer had been building up to, like IM and Indy were merely starters, and so it proved.

Their best bet is to go for June now. It'll still make a ton of money, and no-one expects it to top financially TDK anyway.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Or november for oscars!

 

[FaT_tONle]

Who said Nolan will comitt to a July 2011 release? It doesn't matter what WB wants... it's what Nolan wants to do... he may take a break... they may release their movie in June... Avengers may get delayed a year. Anything can happen.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Who said Nolan will comitt to a July 2011 release?

No one said this. We are just speculating. A movie gets released in July and becomes one of the biggest movies of all time, one would think that Nolan and the studio would a want similar release date for its followup, no?

It doesn't matter what WB wants... it's what Nolan wants to do... he may take a break... they may release their movie in June... Avengers may get delayed a year. Anything can happen.

I have to admit, I would be a little suprised if The Avengers met its expected release date without any delays.

 

[FaT_tONle]

All it takes is RDJ signing onto another project in between... Marvel can attempt to sue or whatever... if RDJ is not ready... Avengers will be delayed. Same goes with the Cap and Thor movies... the actors need the time to prep although whomever they get for Cap will be going back to back anyhow.

 

[Retroman]

He has a four picture (likely) multi-million agreement. If anything, Downey will from now plan any upcoming projects around those movies.

 

[Anita18]

A Dark Knight sequel could come the day after a nuclear war starts and kills 90% of the world population and it would still out draw anything Marvel does. I'm not worried.

But true.

It would out-draw practically anything, because it's coming off of a $500+ million movie. When WB announces the release date of BB3, every other studio will reschedule their movies around it to allow at least a two-week buffer, because they will not want their big $100-million summer movies to be steam-rolled by this juggernaut. Hellboy2, X-Files, and Mummy3 made that mistake this year, but nobody knew the extent of the TDK box office phenomenon until July.

People on box office forums have been joking that BB3 will be the first $400 million lock ever.

 

[Crook]

Marvel won't necessarily move. Let's not forget that Pirates and Spidey were in direct competition with each other, and they were one of the biggest franchises to come out.

 

[Anita18]

Marvel won't necessarily move. Let's not forget that Pirates and Spidey were in direct competition with each other, and they were one of the biggest franchises to come out.

They were released 3 weeks apart. That's enough buffer around each movie.

 

[Crook]

Perhaps. But their release dates were announced well ahead, enough for the studio execs of the respective properties to gauge a proper schedule. They both opted to be in the same month.

Same can happen here.

 

[Paradoxium]

I first predict TDK2 will come out in 2012+, not 2011. So it wont matter.

I think Nolan will need a lot of time to come up with a story that can rival or surpass TDK, so I have no problem with a wait. Let Goyer come up with some themes and some bones (brainstorm). Let Jonah fill the meat of the script. Maybe have someone else polish up the dialogue to make it less wordy (like TDK's ending).

My other prediction is, TDK2 will be like a quasi "Born Again" storyline (for those who read Daredevil, you will know what I mean). It's not Batman's fault Marvel didn't make use one of the best Daredevil storylines, so screw them t:

 

[bobguy64]

The tone of the Nolan Batman films is so different from Marvel's films they don't compete with each other.

Iron Man was a huge hit and TDK was huge as well, despite these both being comic films. They're just not competing for the same shelf space.

A steak isn't in direct competition with a cheeseburger, despite the fact they're both made of beef.





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[Doc Samson]

The tone of the Nolan Batman films is so different from Marvel's films they don't compete with each other.

Iron Man was a huge hit and TDK was huge as well, despite these both being comic films. They're just not competing for the same shelf space.

A steak isn't in direct competition with a cheeseburger, despite the fact they're both made of beef.

Lol, quite peculiar of an analogy there, but true nonetheless

 

[jmc]

Even on the odd chance that Avengers will go head to head with Batman 3 (Marvel have 3 movies to come before hand, including two characters who are not guaranteed to succeed, on top of that, I still think Avengers won't get made as early as 2011), Batman 3 will be hands down be in better position to sweep the floor of anything that comes up against it, on the back of Nolan and Co returning, a billion dollars at the box office and a potential swag of Oscars, it's Marvel who should be worried not Warner Bros.

 

[protoctista]

I think previous box-office figures show this not to be a concern.


Summer 07 was a hugely packed summer for blockblusters. Spider-man 3, Pirates of the Carribean 3, Shrek 3, Oceans 13, Fantastic Four 2, Die Hard 4, Transformers, Harry Potter 5, The Simpsons, Bourne 3, Rush Hour 3, Ratatouille.
All of these films made superb money at the box office. Many surpassed expectations.
Pirates was in direct competition with Spider-man 3, and both were the culmination of very successful franchises.

So why would we worry about competition from Avengers?

I can't see any minority of the mainstream audience deciding to see one film over the other.

True it won't make as much money as it did this summer.

This summer The Dark Knight was in competition with nothing. For a long time. Which is why it was successful. Give me all this 'perfect storm' crap and I'll point back to what I've just said. It was a summer with only one event movie. Only one movie everyone was expecting and looking forward to. Last summer had endless event movies (in a great long string of dissapointments) and the money rolled in for all of them nicely.

The hype for the Dark Knight was strong, but just as strong as it was for Spider-man 3 and Pirates 3, and not a lot stronger than for all the other movies I've just listed.
It happened to have the luck of being the only hyped-up film of this summer.
If Avengers is hyped up to the same degree as The Dark Knight's sequel, it will only produce figures similar to last summer when Spider-man 3 and Pirates 3 were in competition.
If there are a host of other films also hyped up? They'll probably steer clear of these two with their release dates, and if they don't, the industry has handled stronger forces before.


Also, the success of Avengers depends upon so many factors:
- The continued success of Iron Man (Big factor)
- The success of Thor, Captain America and other franchises
- The ability to put these characters together with credibility
- The special effects
- The Marketing.


The Dark Knight's sequel should have all factors garunteed:
- Returning cast and director (it's practically a given)
- Marketing (They've proven they can tease)
- Previous quality reassurance
- Massive garunteed fan-base, even within the wider mainstream community.

You don't need to set anything up for the sequel, it's all been done.

 

[jmc]

Also, the success of Avengers depends upon so many factors:
- The continued success of Iron Man (Big factor)
- The success of Thor, Captain America and other franchises
- The ability to put these characters together with credibility
- The special effects
- The Marketing.


The Dark Knight's sequel should have all factors garunteed:
- Returning cast and director (it's practically a given)
- Marketing (They've proven they can tease)
- Previous quality reassurance
- Massive garunteed fan-base, even within the wider mainstream community.

You don't need to set anything up for the sequel, it's all been done.

Yep, Marvel are the ones with more work to do, Avengers could crash and burn before it gets made.