The Batman General News & Discussion Thread - Part 2

[chintai80]

i think reeves will definitely introduce the joker if this is going to become a trilogy.

hopefully it will be very different from nicholson, ledger, and leto's versions. don't need a retread.

i'm thinking about something similar to the englehart / rogers run in strange apparitions.
where joker's sort of lurking in the background in the beginning.
he doesn't really have a grand scheme for gotham city.

he'll just pop in and out to cause chaos like some sort of ahole trickster demon.
akin to his portrayal in btas and mask of the phantasm as well.

gimme that joker thats hanging out in some creepy abandoned amusement park.

 

[Predator jp]

Joker tease at the end sounds too much like Begins doesn't it?

 

[BatLobster]

I honestly don't think a "Batman meets Joker for the first time" story follows well from a "Batman meets Riddler for the first time" story, to be perfectly honest. Ever since we learned this movie was going to be about a younger Batman I've always believed there's a possibility that Batman has already encountered The Joker in his first year, even if it was briefly and it was a proto-Joker.

Let's not forget, there is already a Bat-signal and the GCPD is allowing him onto crime scenes. He must've done something notable besides beat up a few gang members to earn that kind of respect.

 

[CondimentKing]

Also the fact that Arkham is even around, let alone letting Batman into it, suggests there's already a couple villains locked up tbh

 

[JubJub86]

Yeah, don't personally think we'll be seeing Joker in a sequel anyway. In fact hope not.

Two-Face V.S. Penguin all-out mob-war sounds right. Different to the first movie, illustrates the mobsters-turning-freaks thing well. Go all-out nuts with looney-land villans in a third.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Joker sucks so much oxygen out of the room as a character that it feels like a mistake creatively to spend time setting him up at the same time you’re establishing a new Batman. Really, really want to leave Joker on ice as long as possible.

 

[Predator jp]

personally i can do without Joker throughout this Trilogy.

 

[CondimentKing]

I can too, but there's zero chance he isn't used at some point. Reeves will use all the main 66 villains, guaranteed. He's literally Batman's arch enemy, there's no chance he isn't used. At the very least it'll be in a supporting role and even that's unlikely compared to full main villain (although I think him showing up as a minor character could be cool)

 

[Gothamsknight]

I definitely hope that Jokers presence is different here than other movies, or his introduction at least. I'm one of the people who thought and still thinks the Batman vs Joker story in TDK is pretty much the most definitive and purest you can get in live action when it comes to the basic aspects of the rivalry. It's become iconic at this point. So I think him already being Arkham is the best route to start off with here.

 

[JubJub86]

The fact that TDK Joker's such a guy on a mission with a point to prove always sours me on it a little, enough to make it non-"definitive". It's an awesome movie and an awesome dynamic, but there's a bit too much of a "point" to it all. He's "get Bats to break his rule and kill me, or have him stick to his guns and show him the ruins of what that'll bring when you're dealing with someone like me".

That's too close to Riddler for this universe, methinks, the hyper-intelligent guy with a plan, giving Bruce a psychological run for his money. Joker's "I'm not a schemer" is obviously all such horse**** in the context of that movie. Always thought there were some missed opportunities with the "Joker" stuff too - it's there, but like...you can't have him laughing maniacally when he's shooting at the cops with an RPG? What the hell would this lunatic possibly enjoy more? Show the giddy stuff.

For this let's just go complete live-in-the-moment wackadoodle. He ****s with Batman because it's fun, no more, no less. No point to illustrate. Not even really trying to "break" him. Just his opposite, pure and simple. Complete bloodbath mania and he's having the time of his life every second of it.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Whatever they do with Joker has to be wildly distinct and interesting because, while I am all about these characters being endlessly reinterpreted in new ways constantly and that is the whole point of the superhero genre in my opinion, the Batman itch I have had most thoroughly scratched is Batman vs. Joker - I am torn between my desire to know what Joker looks like in this universe and how much the inevitable dedication of a whole movie to Batman vs. Joker feels like a waste when there are so many untapped possibilities.

 

[NotNickFury]

How about a Joker that's just already in Arkham? You eliminate- for now- the need to use him as a primary villain until he escapes. But it presents the opportunity to just have Batsy and Mr. J just talk, and we can all refer to some of the best scenes in Batman medium that are just Joker and Batman conversing, less so fighting.

Or maybe he's the mastermind behind the whole thing, but just opts to work behind the scenes?

 

[WatchProtect]

Its probably the last thing people want but I think using the Joker in a similar way that telltale did would be really refreshing

 

[JubJub86]

All for Bats V.S. Joker in Arkham convos, but don't think I'd want them to have already encountered one another at this point. Too early.

Two-Face already having taken the acid to the face and gone bananaballs is a totally different story though. Explore that in the TV show if it's a prequel, have an end-of-movie thing here with Bruce going to check on him, like they're already acquainted and friendly. Guy's already split-personality but you show the "good Harvey" in a first movie getting treatment, second he's either released but he's not better, or he breaks out and give up lawyerin' for gangsterizin' as Big Bad Harv.

Full proper comics-Penguin V Harvey hijinks ensue, citywide Al Capone war days. Not yet full-on crazy funhouse villains, but your big stepping stone to getting there.

 

[Predator jp]

I can too, but there's zero chance he isn't used at some point. Reeves will use all the main 66 villains, guaranteed. He's literally Batman's arch enemy, there's no chance he isn't used. At the very least it'll be in a supporting role and even that's unlikely compared to full main villain (although I think him showing up as a minor character could be cool)

yeah, i agree. i expect him to show up in the third film. there are no better ways to conclude the trilogy with Joker vs Batman.

 

[Boom]

Might be unpopular but I think Andrew Scott's Moriarty in BBC's Sherlock would be a good inspiration for The Joker. Dude's clearly off his rocker while being hyper intelligent. Builds an expansive network as the "consulting criminal" purely out of boredom.

 

[Brother Jack]

Joker is an outrageously overused character, across all Bat-media. There are plenty of other villains who haven't had their time in the spotlight who I'd rather see Reeves bring into his world.

 

[BatLobster]

I think introducing Joker in a very minor background role could be a fresh way to address the character's presence in this world. It'd be like having this ticking time bomb in the midst of an ongoing story that focuses on other things, that might even take several movies to actually go off. Yeah, Telltale could be a good reference point there.

As much as I think we do absolutely need a break from the character, there's simply no way I can believe they would put all this emphasis on worldbuilding without having put some consideration into where and how the top dog figures into it. His absence would feel like an elephant in the room if they truly didn't touch him at all for 3 movies, though it would also be a bold choice I'd respect if they went that way.

The fact that TDK Joker's such a guy on a mission with a point to prove always sours me on it a little, enough to make it non-"definitive".

I mean, look no further than The Killing Joke for a Joker who is on essentially the same mission. Not necessarily a personal favorite for me, but I would say it's undeniably a quintessential Joker story in terms of its influence on the more modern depictions of the character. I think it does really get to the heart of what makes the Batman/Joker relationship tick.

From a visual standpoint though, I think we are long overdue for a return of the more dapper looking Joker, though.

 

[Invader Joker]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...n-feige-eternals-venom-spider-man-1235033550/


Serkis will move to yet another comic book universe in March, when he will be seen as Alfred in The Batman for Warner Bros. and DC. A new trailer dropped Saturday, and Feige was among those who checked it out.

“I thought it was great, and I thought he [Serkis] was great and everybody was great. And Jeffrey Wright, our Watcher, is great,” said Feige, referencing Wright’s roles of Commissioner Gordon in DC’s The Batman and the narrator in the Marvel series What If…? “I am beginning to think it’s Jeffrey Wright’s world and we live in it.”

 

[JubJub86]

I think introducing Joker in a very minor background role could be a fresh way to address the character's presence in this world. It'd be like having this ticking time bomb in the midst of an ongoing story that focuses on other things, that might even take several movies to actually go off. Yeah, Telltale could be a good reference point there.

As much as I think we do absolutely need a break from the character, there's simply no way I can believe they would put all this emphasis on worldbuilding without having put some consideration into where and how the top dog figures into it. His absence would feel like an elephant in the room if they truly didn't touch him at all for 3 movies, though it would also be a bold choice I'd respect if they went that way.



I mean, look no further than The Killing Joke for a Joker who is on essentially the same mission. Not necessarily a personal favorite for me, but I would say it's undeniably a quintessential Joker story in terms of its influence on the more modern depictions of the character. I think it does really get to the heart of what makes the Batman/Joker relationship tick.

From a visual standpoint though, I think we are long overdue for a return of the more dapper looking Joker, though.

Oh yeah, no argument on it being a valid take, it totally is. Just...we've done it, let's do a 180. We've seen the "try to convert Bats" Joker. Let's get the "handing out balloons to strangers one moment, stabbing a senior citizen the next" human clown demon. Soulless. He doesn't give a damn what Batman believes & stand for, so long as he's around and breathing to play with.

 

[BatLobster]

Oh yeah, no argument on it being a valid take, it totally is. Just...we've done it, let's do a 180. We've seen the "try to convert Bats" Joker. Let's get the "handing out balloons to strangers one moment, stabbing a senior citizen the next" human clown demon. Soulless. He doesn't give a damn what Batman believes & stand for, so long as he's around and breathing to play with.

It will definitely be interesting to see how the character is reimagined for his next big showdown with Bats on the big screen. Whether it's Reeves or another director....it's inevitably going to happen again at some point.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

If they do a Joker tease in the end credits, I hope its a reveal that he escaped from Arkham, and that he and Batman have already had at least one encounter.

 

[dhandler01]

It seems to be a bit of a double-edged sword of going more 'realistic' and serious with genre movies-- the more you lean into that, the more people tend to scrutinize certain aspects that push up against the limits of believability. People start trying to outsmart the movie in ways that you rarely see for most MCU films. It's been a trend I've noticed since TDK with people criticizing stuff like "how was Joker able to plant all those bombs!??". He's the freaking Joker, that's how.

That is cause the cinematography in most MCU films looks like 80s green screening. Since you can see it isn't real you just kind of let it go. When films go for realism people nitpick stuff because in their mind it doesn't make sense.

I mean in most of the stunts in a Batman car chase he would probably break his back and everyone else would like die from the collisions or the cars flipping over. Hell half the stunts he has ever done with a grappling hook would likely cause him pain if not kill him. But the idea that second rate thugs in a dark alley would shoot him in the chest is just a bridge too far

 

[chintai80]

the scene in the trailer where battison punches the glass as he talks to the riddler reminds me of the shadow of the bat - victor zsasz story.

batman loses his cool and slams the partition glass after zsasz riles him up:

boy, i really loved reading this story when it first got released. would run to my local 7-11 to pick up the issues when they get released every month.

norm breyfogle is the definitive 1990s batman artist for me. and this angry, volatile batman is what we're getting with battinson.

 

[Revolverr]

I'm confident that Joker is not going to be here, I'm not going to worry yet.
I don't know how people think it's a good idea to tease Joker and bring him in for a second movie, I can already imagine the huge backfire with the Nolan's comparisons lol
The idea of having him as a behind the scenes character over there sounds like a Snyder's bad idea.

As for Harvey Dent, the Anon person already said that there's no sign of him here.