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Agreed with both of these for the most part. The upper limits of content for PG and PG13 are both ridiculously low and need to be reevaluated. I feel like it has killed what were once "soft R" blockbusters, which are serious, adult minded films, and encourages filmmakers to either sanitize such a story to get a PG13 rating or go overboard with R rated content to make sure the adults feel like they get their money's worth. Like Shauner, I saw things like Terminator 2 as a pre-teen and watch the Sopranos with my Dad at age 12 every Sunday night.without issue. However, not all kids are that mature. Most of the Marvel films should fall in PG instead of PG13 and PG13 should be loosened to allow a little more grit, blood, and language. I think the lack of blood and similar things in PG13 films, just shows a lack of consequences for violence and just desensitizes kids to it. It all becomes a joke.

However, I still think there should be some language, gore, and violence limitations for PG13 films, if in part to challenge filmmakers to be more creative with storytelling. Restraint can be good and sometimes needs to be forced. For instance, with Birds of Prey, the core story was a PG13/soft R story. However, but by making it R rated, I feel like the filmmakers took that as go ahead to get excessive with the language and the gore. A lot of it just felt like cheap thrills rather than serving the story.

The only **** that should be R rated in my opinion is any film that explicitly deals with themes of pedophilia or sexual assault in very graphic ways, stuff like A Serbian Film or Happiness, films that'd disturb even adults.


Anything else... I don't see why teenagers shouldn't be allowed to watch. Even stuff like Joker I'd rate PG 13.
 
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I don't think the Harley Quinn movie went far enough lol. The animated series is better.
Yeah, BoP ain't that extreme. It's got some big moments of gore and swearing but if anything it could have leaned more heavily into its darker impulses. A PG-13 version would have made more money but been a fundamentally compromised and therefore pointless film.

If a truly great Batman screenplay required an R-Rating, sure, especially when you factor in that an R-Rating isn't just about an R rating because studios are way more hands off with R-Rated films historically because they'll typically spend less on them to begin with. No need to specifically gun for one though.

If they were to make a franchise of R rated Batman films I would like there to be perhaps some animated films released theatrically geared more toward kids. Frankly I think slightly older kids would wind up seeing the main movies anyway, I was watching R-Rated films at 10 as was almost everyone else I know, but it'd be nice to have something tailored to a younger audience as well. A really solid animated series would also do nicely.
 
I agree with you about Matt Reeves approach, though I would lie if I don't say I didn't like any of his movies prior to that one, even his composer didn't really get me at all before. But I see potential nonetheless, the guy seems really invested and is clearly going the right way for now.

Like Batman said in Returns ''Things change''.

I just don't want a cgi fest, I like movies that are taking themselves seriously and are in balance between commercial and auteurish, which I think is the best form of cinema.

I’m expecting a visual approach that’s akin to Joker for this genre. Very atmospheric, moody and kinda grimy feeling. Not flat, green screen/CG heavy.

I do expect a serious approach to the narrative. The time he’s taken to polish the script and every quote from Reeves tells me he’s extremely invested in telling a very human, very evocative story that has a thrilling plot.

And everyone involved praising the script beyond “oh it’s epic” and actually describing it as emotional and heavy and dark, etc is really indicative of the kinda film we may end up getting.

I’m expecting something much more in line with a legit crime/drama/mystery as opposed to a “super hero movie” with some elements of crime.
 
As skewered as the MPAA system can be, I think if you're making a Batman movie and you need it to be R for it to be good, then you're going about making a Batman movie wrong and it probably isn't a great Batman movie in the first place.

Plus Reeves is a talented filmmaker, I don't think he'll need to show gratuitous violence and grit to tell his story. I don't think there's anything in an R rated Batman movie that Reeves couldn't achieve in an PG-13 rating.

Generally, I agree with you that Batman film should be more inclusive and should not need an R rating. I think the idea of an R rated Batman film is stupid, nerd elitist, and defeats these purpose and joy of these characters. However, the way the MPAA ratings currently work is ridiculous. It's silly that the MCU films and Arkham games are allowed to show more blood, injuries, etc. than Nolan's trilogy because they are more cartoony and less serious. I'm not looking for a dark, disturbing Batman film, but I think the PG13 constraints should be loosened a little, so that a Batman film can at least match Arkham Asylum or Arkham City in mature content. Those games were rated T for Teen and I think reach a really good compromise in terms of being accessible to most ages while also being able to embrace the more mature aspects of Batman stories, such as investigating serial killers and murder scenes.
 
I think that a Batman movie can definitely benefit story-wise from dealing with more mature subjects and more graphic scenes, especially one that's intended to put us on his PoV and really understand what's going on inside his heart and mind.

Batman's mind is not a nice place to be.
 
Batman Returns might be the only movie where Batman doesn't break any kind of glass himself.
Will this new Batman maintain the habit of breaking glass? Especially windows.
 
I’m going to get ripped for this, but I would be ticked if this ends up being R rated. With the stuff that we have seen or heard of so far such as “blood soaked extras” or
taped head dead body guy
I already am nervous. But my youngest son is going to be the age that I was when 89 came out when Reeve’s film comes out. He is over the moon for this film and dreams of going to see it with me. This child’s room, even his wardrobe, is a shrine to Batman. It would royally suck if they Up the violence just for violence’s sake.

It will never be R rated or close to it, but can still be a mature, adult-skewing movie that is still suitable for kids/teens to watch.

Think about TDK. A hanging, dead body slamming against a window like a horror movie. Joker cutting a dude's face open and making creepy home videos. Joker killing many people, including shooting a guy in the face with a shotgun. Harvey Dent's face on fire and eventually burned to a crisp for all to see. All still in a PG-13 movie for the masses.

I imagine The Batman will be similarly intense with hints of violence, but without the excessive blood and gore that would push the film into R rated territory.
 
When ever they use Rucka's map from NML as a basis, it's a win.

Nolan's (well, 42 Entertainment's viral campaign) is still the best realistic interpretation of that.

Ugh, I can't find my old Lightroom/Photoshop compiling of all of the pieces we got from various sites that I created.
They also used that map for a season 4 episode of Gotham.
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The only **** that should be R rated in my opinion is any film that explicitly deals with themes of pedophilia or sexual assault in very graphic ways, stuff like A Serbian Film or Happiness, films that'd disturb even adults.


Anything else... I don't see why teenagers shouldn't be allowed to watch. Even stuff like Joker I'd rate PG 13.
There was nudity in Joker even though it was very brief and only showed up as pictures in Arthur's journal. Also I don't know if it's true or not but I think the mpaa tends to be harsh on movies that include smoking.
 
If they ever show a map of Gotham, I prefer a single island over a series of islands or maybe even just make it part of the mainland. Never been a fan of the broken geography. BvS presented it quite well.

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There's a fanmade map out there that made sense to me.

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There was nudity in Joker even though it was very brief and only showed up as pictures in Arthur's journal. Also I don't know if it's true or not but I think the mpaa tends to be harsh on movies that include smoking.
Yes, that is very true.
 
There was nudity in Joker even though it was very brief and only showed up as pictures in Arthur's journal. Also I don't know if it's true or not but I think the mpaa tends to be harsh on movies that include smoking.
Well, that's the thing, I think nudity should be PG 13 and don't agree with the MPAA standards.
 
I’m expecting a visual approach that’s akin to Joker for this genre. Very atmospheric, moody and kinda grimy feeling. Not flat, green screen/CG heavy.

I do expect a serious approach to the narrative. The time he’s taken to polish the script and every quote from Reeves tells me he’s extremely invested in telling a very human, very evocative story that has a thrilling plot.

And everyone involved praising the script beyond “oh it’s epic” and actually describing it as emotional and heavy and dark, etc is really indicative of the kinda film we may end up getting.

I’m expecting something much more in line with a legit crime/drama/mystery as opposed to a “super hero movie” with some elements of crime.

100% agree.

and yes those interviews are really promising and everyone is saying the same things which is encouraging.

Let’s now hope that WB has more balls and let reeves do his film without too much boundaries. Surely Joker must have learned them something.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed!

And between I’m happy to see fans of Batman wishing for a more adult/serious/crime thriller. I must say I was losing faith since BVS and JL which IMHO are kind of the BF and B&R of modern day. Even Marvel for me are entertaining at their best but that is all (yes, I’m in Scorsese camp)

And don’t get me started on WW and Aquaman, which I found to be abominations.
 
If they ever show a map of Gotham, I prefer a single island over a series of islands or maybe even just make it part of the mainland. Never been a fan of the broken geography. BvS presented it quite well.

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BvS made no sense... Gotham and Metropolis being sister cities. UGH
 
Well, speak of the devil, a new interview came out in which Robert literally compared this movie's script and how he wants to approach it to Joker.

"Whether the dimensions of my Batsuit have already been taken? Hell yes!" he is beaming. "They did it with advanced 3D scans. I am very curious what my suit will look like. I have already seen photos of the set and it looks cool. I can't say much about the story. Except that I go to the limits with my Batman. I want to take him on a psychological journey of discovery full of traumas and darkness. A bit à la Joker . For an actor that is and remains the biggest challenge. "

Nieuwe Batman Robert Pattinson: ’Faalangst grote drijfveer’

The interview was done like a month and a half ago or 2 months or something like that.
 
BvS made no sense... Gotham and Metropolis being sister cities. UGH
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Depiction of Gotham and Metropolis being sister cities are quite common. I was only against the same common depiction of Gotham as a series of broken islands. But of course, you had to take a shot at BvS. Lol.
 
Aquaman and Wonder Woman probably aren't on a lot of people's top favorite cbm list but abominations? There are films that truly define that word and those two do not!

Aquaman may actually be my favorite or among top favorite dc films since TDKR(even though that one disappointed me)
 
I’d only want an R rated Batman if they went full on horror a la Arkham Asylum: ASHOSE. I don’t need curse words or bloody violence.
 
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