The Batman Likes and Dislikes.

[-Arya-]

I disliked how each time Batman should’ve been severely injured by something (hitting his head while flying off the building, getting hit by the explosive) he mostly just shrugged it off and was totally ok in the next scene.

 

[WayneMB]

it's a comicbook movie. oh lord. this is not supposed to be realistic

 

[DeadlyWest]

I disliked how each time Batman should’ve been severely injured by something (hitting his head while flying off the building, getting hit by the explosive) he mostly just shrugged it off and was totally ok in the next scene.

I was fine with that given the movie establishes pretty hard with Penguin being fine in his crash that this world's rules are heightened.

Plus, the intention was for this to more be a psychological challenge than physical one

 

[-Arya-]

I was fine with that given the movie establishes pretty hard with Penguin being fine in his crash that this world's rules are heightened.

Plus, the intention was for this to more be a psychological challenge than physical one

Yeah I looked passed it and realized this is a heightened reality. Still bothers me though.

 

[WatchProtect]

I can't say anything about the film is a dislike for me honestly.

Real question. For people saying the movie should have been shorter, what would you have left out? Length is perfectly fine for me and I've seen it 4 times. But I'm curious

 

[DeadlyWest]

I can't say anything about the film is a dislike for me honestly.

Real question. For people saying the movie should have been shorter, what would you have left out? Length is perfectly fine for me and I've seen it 4 times. But I'm curious

I'm someone who's perfectly fine with the runtime but honestly the only thing, gun to my head, that I'd probably cut is the Joker scene at the end.

Not so much because I think the cameo is tacky or anything like that, I think it's perfectly fine for what Reeves was going for. But a part of me does wish this was completely standalone and had an ending that wrapped itself up completely rather than implying the future. Just a personal preference

 

[WatchProtect]

I'm someone who's perfectly fine with the runtime but honestly the only thing, gun to my head, that I'd probably cut is the Joker scene at the end.

Not so much because I think the cameo is tacky or anything like that, I think it's perfectly fine for what Reeves was going for. But a part of me does wish this was completely standalone and had an ending that wrapped itself up completely rather than implying the future. Just a personal preference

I can get that for sure. I didn't mind it either but I do agree that it pauses the film a very small bit. I'm happy we got to see Riddler again before the credits rolled.

 

[DKDetective]

As I said, I get all the soul searching reasoning and excuses. It's a movie.

Pattinson is just not imposing or intimidating as Batman IMO.

BTW...
You know what happens when Bruce Lee hits Andre the Giant...

Nothing...

; )

glad you liked the film.

Keep the discussion to the merits of each other's arguments. Suggesting that other posters' beliefs are the result of them deluded themselves or whatever crosses the line into flaming and trolling. It has no place here.

 

[souperman]

Keep the discussion to the merits of each other's arguments. Suggesting that other posters' beliefs are the result of them deluded themselves or whatever crosses the line into flaming and trolling. It has no place here.

that gif was intended as lighthearted humor. Hulka says Okayyyy in that gif.

All my comments have been my personal opinion and reasoning. I have not belittled anyone's opinion that I know of and I don't think DK has either.

I also said that i respect their opinion and am glad they liked the film several times.

We are not THAT sensitive... are we?

EDIT:

Now I see the highlighted area.

Everyone, including me searches for positive points to defend or illuminate their reasoning for liking or disliking a film. To suggest my comment was trolling could be considered trolling or flaming in itself, but I give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not your intention.

 

[souperman]

I disliked how each time Batman should’ve been severely injured by something (hitting his head while flying off the building, getting hit by the explosive) he mostly just shrugged it off and was totally ok in the next scene.

Yeah.

Typical CBM recovery.

The extreme bullet proof of his suit and the way he walks into gunfire was just weird IMO. Didn't try to shield his face or anything real". Even Batfleck put his hands up to block.

I know we are supposed to accept that all the history of Batman is baked in. But that suit really did look like hockey gear to me and did not look especially bulletproof. Especially with bullets sparking and bouncing off as if the suit was steel. Just a nit.

The Bat symbol on his chest was a disappointment but I liked the way they used the glide suit.

Walk it off... ; )

 

[souperman]

I liked the film noir-esk feel and detective psychodrama. The story was ok but the method and design wasn't that well thought out IMO.

IMO, with this concept they should have embraced the OLD 1943 serials and kept it a vigilante detective film with a minimum of far out gadgets. No bulletproof suit. More stealth and avoidance of gunfire like in the dock scene in Nolan's Begins. Batman was stealthy and avoided frontal attacks choosing to create fear and use sneaky ninja style tactics building his symbolic mystery.

To have Batman stand around and interact with the cops is more like the Adam West TV show. Is he a police consultant? Is he accepted as a hero or vigilante?

They played it both ways and it made it soft and unbelievable IMO. Not terrible but not great. It was ok but left a lot of Qs about ... why?

 

[blaberskite]

I've watched the film 5 times now and re watched key scenes that resonate with me (mostly the final scene which is my absolute favourite Batman on film moment live action or otherwise), and it just keeps getting better and rewarding repeated viewings.

Upon seeing it for the first time my gut reaction was that it was maybe 20 to 30 minutes too long, but that was at a midnight showing and I was tired!

But since then I really think the length of the film and pacing is spot on. The film doesn't feel overly long to me, and I think that it moves at a good pace. Everything moves forward in a logical way and I didn't feel that there were too many leaps in logic needed as it's a tightly structured narrative that's always moving forward in a positive way.

Elements that I wasn't totally sold on before the film ended up blowing me away and are now my favourite live action interpretations, the suit, the batmobile and Pattinson.

The suit works great in action, I would still like a less busy looking suit but it's a huge step in the right direction and has finally moved away from the rubber that I have always hated (and all other batman actors have hated as well).

The batmobile is fantastic, and again moves away from the overly military look that they have gone for since begins.

And Pattinson (with the rest of the cast) is fantastic, best presence on screen of all the batmen, primarily because he has a chance to interact with other characters in a meaningful way. The suit doesn't appear to be working against him, and he has the best batman voice since keaton, that means he can say more than one line of dialogue at a time as he doesn't sound like he's trying to gargle rocks.

The relationship with Gordon is solid and they feel like partners, Alfred is good from the little we get to see (hopefully a lot more in the sequel) and the scene in the hospital is more touching than I initially gave it credit for on the first watch. And the chemistry between Bruce and Selina is actually believable and doesn't feel forced. Again, favourite scene is the last one, just sums up everything I love about the character.

Also Gotham is finally back and has a personality of its own and doesn't just look like a generic city that could be anywhere.

Lastly, I'm fine with my suspension of disbelief in this film and the world presented in it. Talk of realism in a comic book movies has always been non- sensical to me. Pretty much anything in any action movie ever made is totally unrealistic, as long as the logic and 'rules' presented in the film makes sense (i.e the batsuit being armour plated that can protect against serious firepower) I'm happy to go along with it.

Can't wait to see what happens next in the spin offs and sequel, and see how everything evolves.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

This guy continued a car chase KNOWING he was causing dozens of fatal crashes without a smidge of remorse. .

I’ve seen the movie seven times now, and the last six I’ve paid close attention after hearing this type of criticism. You saw dozens? I saw none, with the exception of the driver of the tanker truck who possibly died in the explosion. And since we didn’t actually SEE him die, then I’m going to give Battinson the benefit of the doubt. As opposed to Batfleck, who wantonly crushed skulls, machine gunned Lexcorp employees by the DOZENS, and decided to murder Superman, because Superman might one day decide to become a threat. Please, Batfleck was a bloody maniac by comparison.

 

[souperman]

I’ve seen the movie seven times now, and the last six I’ve paid close attention after hearing this type of criticism. You saw dozens? I saw none, with the exception of the driver of the tanker truck who possibly died in the explosion. And since we didn’t actually SEE him die, then I’m going to give Battinson the benefit of the doubt. As opposed to Batfleck, who wantonly crushed skulls, machine gunned Lexcorp employees by the DOZENS, and decided to murder Superman, because Superman might one day decide to become a threat. Please, Batfleck was a bloody maniac by comparison.

7 times! wow.
I was not criticizing the violence at all.
I didn't say I SAW dozens. I said he knew dozens were being seriously injured and killed. Fireball explosive car crashes. It is implied to any rational person.

Feel free to give the benefit of doubt. It's a movie. I don't mind seeing the destruction and mayhem. It's called movie action. Escapism. I have zero problem with it.

...Please? you say...

Your assumption is erroneous. I'm not comparing the two "different versions" and saying they are intended to be equal. Just noting that some people tend to accept the very same violence and split hairs to justify their own view points. That's ok too.

In BvS Batman was disillusioned and damaged by that point in his career. The BvS Batman was taken from The Dark Knight graphic novel. It was a different story and world. I accept both versions for the film makers individual visions.

I accept and judge each story and film for what they are, not what I prefer or wish they were. Did they achieve their goals. Were they compelling and exciting and believable.

In BvS, since the basis of the character WAS from the graphic novel and depicted as such ...it succeeded.

At the Comicon intro tease of BvS where Lennix read from the GN and the room cheered, it was known that THAT was going to be the Batman Snyder was brining to the screen. Not Adam West or Keaton or Bale. It should have been no surprise.

Again, I think The Batman concept could have worked better. Pattinson just didn't do it for me,

 

[Art Vandelay]

I can't say anything about the film is a dislike for me honestly.

Real question. For people saying the movie should have been shorter, what would you have left out? Length is perfectly fine for me and I've seen it 4 times. But I'm curious

Off the top of my head

- The opening pov of Riddler's surveillance of the mayor. It goes on for nearly two minutes, and it feels a bit redundant. I think you could open with the sound of the television, and the mayor oblivious to Riddler standing behind him and have the scene play out like it does

- The entire Joker meets Riddler scene could have been cut. I know Reeves wanted to illustrate how this was supposed to be a "dangerous time for Gotham", but Batman's narration pretty much told us that

- Bruce spray painting the floor doesn't really need to be there

- Batman finding out Riddler's plan by ripping up the carpet. I wonder if they couldn't have simply just had Riddler tell Batman what he had done, and cut to the bombs going off? Either way, Batman would still be in the same position

Overall, though, it's more what I wouldn't have written as opposed to what I would have cut altogether

 

[DeadlyWest]

7 times! wow.
I was not criticizing the violence at all.
I didn't say I SAW dozens. I said he knew dozens were being seriously injured and killed. Fireball explosive car crashes. It is implied to any rational person.

True, which is also why the moment that people started (at absolute minimum) becoming seriously injured, he does this



in order to put an end to the chase immediately.

As for the Dark Knight Returns comparison

Explain how Batfleck was a successful adaptation of DKR Batman.

 

[super85]

Likes:
Cinematography,Colin Farrel, John Turturro, Batmobile,
Dislikes:
Whispering-Gordon, people saying jesus, use of Ave Maria and Nirvana. The way Bruce Wayne was portrayed. The Running time. Riddler. Famous villian cameo.

 

[souperman]

True, which is also why the moment that people started (at absolute minimum) becoming seriously injured, he does this

in order to put an end to the chase immediately.

As for the Dark Knight Returns comparison

Explain how Batfleck was a successful adaptation of DKR Batman.

I will answer your queries and then we should move on so as to not derail this thread any further.

The cool scene you put forward as Batman's "noble" action to put an end to the carnage chase actually shows him saving his own butt by jumping over the massive fireball wreck he was equally liable for. Ask an attorney. He lucked out and was able to crash into Penguins car to "stop" him... car flips 20 times and no air bags.? He would be dead IRL, but hey... it's a movie! I think that moment is equivalent to the BvS shot where Batman grapples the car and flips it on the roof.

If he didn't jump the wreck he would have crashed into a gas tanker and been BBQd.

I didn't say Batfleck was an adaptation of DKR, I said BvS/Batman was taken from/inspired by DKR. The essence of it.

I think this video along with all the interviews prove my point is true. Lennix is literally reading from DKR to introduce BvS.

 

[DeadlyWest]

I will answer your queries and then we should move on so as to not derail this thread any further.

The cool scene you put forward as Batman's "noble" action to put an end to the carnage chase actually shows him saving his own butt by jumping over the massive fireball wreck he was equally liable for. Ask an attorney. He lucked out and was able to crash into Penguins car to "stop" him... car flips 20 times and no air bags.? He would be dead IRL, but hey... it's a movie! I think that moment is equivalent to the BvS shot where Batman grapples the car and flips it on the roof.

If he didn't jump the wreck he would have crashed into a gas tanker and been BBQd.

I didn't say Batfleck was an adaptation of DKR, I said BvS/Batman was taken from/inspired by DKR. The essence of it.

I think this video along with all the interviews prove my point is true. Lennix is literally reading from DKR to introduce BvS.

I dont see how discussing our takes of the movie in a thread dedicated to what we like/dislike is derailment

Also no, if Batman wanted to he could've just braked after hitting the storage container. He had plenty of time to do so with a car with pretty good brakes given he goes from around 60 MPH to virtually stopped in a second

 

[souperman]

I dont see how discussing our takes of the movie in a thread dedicated to what we like/dislike is derailment

Also no, if Batman wanted to he could've just braked after hitting the storage container. He had plenty of time to do so with a car with pretty good brakes given he goes from around 60 MPH to virtually stopped in a second

Well, I thought the thread was just as a list of likes/dislikes. If no one minds it's ok with me.

So you are saying he "could have stopped" and defused the situation but chose to jump the truck due to his crazed mania and purposely and violently crashed into and flipped Penguin's car...which could be interpreted and argued in a court of law as reckless endangerment and attempted vehicular homicide and attempted murder instead of stopping and letting a well known easily identified criminal personality to escape and being the worlds greatest detective could have easily found him again having a drink in his secret hideaway just like he did with Selina?

PROSECUTER: So Batman, You say your "Bat-mobile" has a state of the art braking system and you had enough time to stop before hitting the truck but you chose stomp the gas "afterburner" -you called it - to jump the truck igniting the leaking fuel from the tanker causing it to explode killing the driver and passenger along with the nearby vehicle occupants... all just to catch this Penguin character whom you could have easily captured later?

BATMAN: Yes but... It was cool...

PROSECUTER: So you "could have stopped" ...but you didn't want to. Your RAGE and HATE for this man ruled your actions. Tell me Batman... have you ever heard of due process? Innocent until proven guilty? By the way... Bat-Man... are you a duly sworn police or peace officer?

Ridiculous of course but the logic follows.

It was a cool shot.

 

[Kane52630]

At the end of the day, I'll gladly take a car chase scene in The Batman than whatever this was:

 

[souperman]

At the end of the day, I'll gladly take a car chase scene in The Batman than whatever this was:

That wasn't murder!

Anatoli survived... unscratched!... to be killed later. ; ) indirectly...

And if Anatoli survived, no reason to believe the other guy didn't. ; )

 

[DeadlyWest]

Well, I thought the thread was just as a list of likes/dislikes. If no one minds it's ok with me.

So you are saying he "could have stopped" and defused the situation but chose to jump the truck due to his crazed mania and purposely and violently crashed into and flipped Penguin's car...which could be interpreted and argued in a court of law as reckless endangerment and attempted vehicular homicide and attempted murder instead of stopping and letting a well known easily identified criminal personality to escape and being the worlds greatest detective could have easily found him again having a drink in his secret hideaway just like he did with Selina?

PROSECUTER: So Batman, You say your "Bat-mobile" has a state of the art braking system and you had enough time to stop before hitting the truck but you chose stomp the gas "afterburner" -you called it - to jump the truck igniting the leaking fuel from the tanker causing it to explode killing the driver and passenger along with the nearby vehicle occupants... all just to catch this Penguin character whom you could have easily captured later?

BATMAN: Yes but... It was cool...

PROSECUTER: So you "could have stopped" ...but you didn't want to. Your RAGE and HATE for this man ruled your actions. Tell me Batman... have you ever heard of due process? Innocent until proven guilty? By the way... Bat-Man... are you a duly sworn police or peace officer?

Ridiculous of course but the logic follows.

It was a cool shot.

I didnt say he could "defuse the situation", I said he could stop the car. Him snapping and turning off the limiters to catch Penguin was an active choice on his part to stop him after he did something so nuts

There was no "defusing the situation" post Penguin brake checking the truck. At that point, he just had to be stopped

 

[souperman]

I didnt say he could "defuse the situation", I said he could stop the car. Him snapping and turning off the limiters to catch Penguin was an active choice on his part to stop him after he did something so nuts

There was no "defusing the situation" post Penguin brake checking the truck. At that point, he just had to be stopped

No. I said he could have defused the situation. Non-violently. Batman chose the violent way.

"he just had to be stopped" is an excuse that can be applied to any situation involving a dangerous situation.

The "terrorists" Anatoli in BvS "just had to be stopped" from killing Martha...
Superman, in Batman's mind... just had to be stopped...

You see the logic no?

If it's good for the goose... ; )

I can lend you a shovel to help dig yourself out of the hole if you want.

 

[DeadlyWest]

No. I said he could have defused the situation. Non-violently. Batman chose the violent way.

"he just had to be stopped" is an excuse that can be applied to any situation involving a dangerous situation.

The "terrorists" Anatoli in BvS "just had to be stopped" from killing Martha...
Superman, in Batman's mind... just had to be stopped...

You see the logic no?

If it's good for the goose... ; )

Explain to me how he could've defused the situation non-violently.

Also idk why you keep trying to compare between this and BvS when I've literally never done so other than when replying to some of your points lmao

Nobody here's trying to use this to talk **** about BvS or Snyder or was doing so until you brought it up so idk what you're trying to say with these random comparisons