The Batman Likes and Dislikes.

[Kane52630]

Likes

Disikes

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Likes -

• The fact that the film features Batman a lot, seemingly. With most Batman films, we see far more Bruce Wayne than Batman, it seems. And in this film, it seems like the opposite.
• The gothic/noir feel of Gotham. It's always dark, even when it's daytime.
• The film features a voiceover.
• Gotham feels otherworldly yet not too much to where it's a fantasy-land.
• Reeves is focusing on making Batman more of a compelling character, and most importantly, making him be the central character.
• Casting.
• The Bat-Suit has grown on me a lot. The collar rocks, suck it haterz.
• The Batmobile + Batcycle in the same film.
• The action looks incredible.
• Emphasis on detective story.
• Riddler is a serious threat.
• Bruce's instability.
• Where they're taking the story with the Wayne family. I love the 'Waynes weren't saints' angle of Telltale and Court of Owls. It adds to Bruce's motivation, tenfold.
• Alfred's new take of being kind of a BAMF.
• The lighting.
• The damage the Batsuit takes.

Middling/Undecided -

• Riddler's costume. If they threw more question marks, even a few more, I'd dig it significantly more because it'd at least feel closer to the comics.
• The Batmobile, while I dig it a lot, I wish it was slightly more Batman-dramatic looking whilst retaining the sports-car feel.
• Batman walking around all out in the open at a crime scene, police station and so on.
• Not big on the wingsuit. Unless it evolves into a proper cape-glide later in the series.

Dislikes -

• The Bat-Ears. From the front, they look like antennas and they make his head look bulbous due to their position.
• No Wayne Manor + Bat-Cave combo.
• Catwoman's mask. Between Nolan and Reeves, can we just commit to a traditional cowl for this character for once instead of these subtle nods to 'cat-ears' with a wink and a nod.
• That this is yet another 'early years' Batman story. I don't need to see Batman fumbling over his cape or developing his moral code again.
• Lines like "Who are you under there?" - Insanely cliche line for a superhero film.

 

[cryptic name]

I dislike that it’s not out yet.

 

[Lautox]

What are your likes and dislikes about The Batman so far ?

Likes

The tone from I've seen.

Robert Pattinson Batman/Bruce Wayne/costume from what I've seen so far.

Jeffrey Wright Jim Gordon from I've seen so far.

Paul Danos Riddler dialogue and costume from what I've seen so far.

A possible more grey interpretation of the Wayne's.

Zoe Kravitz Selina Kyle from I've seen so far

Cinmeatogrphy fight scenes.

Batmobile.



Dislikes.

Batman hanging out in the GCPD like a regular cop.

Batman being very reckless in the car chase despite having the no kill rule. As badass and phenomenaly shot as that car flip was I do have to wonder how Bruce knew Oswald would survive that.

What are your likes and dislikes so far ?

That's the point of the chase, to show Bruce pushing the limit to almost killing. That is his arc throughout the story. It's a year two Batman so he will make a lot of mistakes.

 

[BMW 224]

That's the point of the chase, to show Bruce pushing the limit to almost killing. That is his arc throughout the story. It's a year two Batman so he will make a lot of mistakes.

That's possible.

But I'm not sure if that's the point of that specific scene or action.

Will see soon though.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Likes:

Everything except for Batman being a rage-a-holic.

I especially like the Se7en atmosphere and detective story.

 

[BMW 224]

Likes:

Everything except for Batman being a rage-a-holic.

I especially like the Se7en atmosphere and detective story.

He'll probably grow out of that as part of his arc.

It's so great we getting a Se7en dective like story in a Batman film.

 

[Detective Conan]

Guess I’m in the minority who likes this Batmobile. I think the design suits this younger, Year two Batman who’s more low-tech compared to other versions. Personally I think it suits this gear-head take that doesn’t have a Lucius Fox that he can ask to recolor military vehicles black for him. So Bruce repurposing a sports car into something that he uses to fight crime with works for me. I think it’s a lot more believable that it looks like a regular-esque car as I think it works in the context of the experience level and nature of this interpretation, at least for where he is now in story.

I think over the course of the trilogy, much like with the batsuit, they’ll evolve the design towards a more traditional Batmobile look in order to mirror this Batman’s growing maturation into the traditional Batman. So it’s fairly clear they went with such an understated and basic design for a reason. What matters most is not how cool it should look, what matters most is it’s purpose in the story and how it serves this particular take on the character. And judging from what I’ve seen so far I think this batmobile(which, given the grounded tone, most likely won’t be called a “batmobile”) works fine for what it is.

 

[Parquagh]

Likes:
- Batmobile, it has grown on me after watching it in action
- Actors, everyone seems to be giving a nice performance
- The supposed detective angle

Dislikes:
- Extremely armored suit, I liked when the chest piece received the bullet impact from the penguin goon, but taking multiple and constant close shots from machineguns and Batman just walking into them without even bothering to protect his face doesn't feel like Batman.
- Cowl design, it looks odd in certain angles, the mouth space is way too open IMO.

 

[souperman]

Just watched it on Max.

it's... ok.

Likes:
The old style VO like in the Watchmen and old detective dramas.
The gritty feel

Dislikes:

Production design.

Suit

Car

Pattinson - who I didn't buy as a BATMAN for a minute. They should never have let him take off his shirt! He is less convincing to me as a capable fighter than Keaton and that's saying something. His acting, while not his fault entirely ( I have seen him in other things that he was good) was atrocious and unconvincing. He is simply not imposing at all. Just my opinion of course.

The hypocrisy I read in other threads about how great this Batman was handled vs Snyder's.

This guy continued a car chase KNOWING he was causing dozens of fatal crashes without a smidge of remorse. No I don't mind this in a movie but the same people that hated when Snyder's Batman killed or allowed to be killed are praising this one. Also the super excessive beatings. I guess he needed to punch these guys so many times because he can't hit that hard? ; )

How isn't this "Gotham" the TV show? Same vibe and quality IMO.

I get what they were going for but they didn't get there IMO.

I guess Pattinson is the "young" peoples Batman?

Not very special to me anyway. Nolan's Begins is still great.

I am happy people liked it.

Oh well...

 

[Doc Samson]

Only real dislike is the amount of times everyone says Jesus. Seriously, on multiple viewings it becomes grating. Everything else is just minor nitpicks for me.

 

[shauner111]

Only real dislike is the amount of times everyone says Jesus. Seriously, on multiple viewings it becomes grating. Everything else is just minor nitpicks for me.

Only remember it said once.

 

[shauner111]

Just watched it on Max.

it's... ok.

Likes:
The old style VO like in the Watchmen and old detective dramas.
The gritty feel

Dislikes:

Production design.

Suit

Car

Pattinson - who I didn't buy as a BATMAN for a minute. They should never have let him take off his shirt! He is less convincing to me as a capable fighter than Keaton and that's saying something. His acting, while not his fault entirely ( I have seen him in other things that he was good) was atrocious and unconvincing. He is simply not imposing at all. Just my opinion of course.

The hypocrisy I read in other threads about how great this Batman was handled vs Snyder's.

This guy continued a car chase KNOWING he was causing dozens of fatal crashes without a smidge of remorse. No I don't mind this in a movie but the same people that hated when Snyder's Batman killed or allowed to be killed are praising this one. Also the super excessive beatings. I guess he needed to punch these guys so many times because he can't hit that hard? ; )

How isn't this "Gotham" the TV show? Same vibe and quality IMO.

I get what they were going for but they didn't get there IMO.

I guess Pattinson is the "young" peoples Batman?

Not very special to me anyway. Nolan's Begins is still great.

I am happy people liked it.

Oh well...

Rob was in better shape than Keaton so that’s a strange thing to say. Atrocious acting? Huh? Same vibe as the Gotham show? Huh? I’m so confused. Also Oz is the one who caused the deaths by his crazy stunt he pulled on the highway. If a cop chases a criminal onto a highway, is it their fault if the criminal kills ppl? He’s not pancaking cars like Bale and ppl are fine with that.

 

[J.Drangal]

Only real dislike is the amount of times everyone says Jesus. Seriously, on multiple viewings it becomes grating. Everything else is just minor nitpicks for me.

Only remember it said once.

Ahah, it absolutely didn't bother me at all but I noticed it too. It's actually Gordon who say it the most, at least 5 or 6 times. I just see it as a character's language tic and a little something that helps personalize him. I actually like that little touch.

 

[Doc Samson]

Only remember it said once.

Oh no lol, Gordon himself says it multiple times.

Ahah, it absolutely didn't bother me at all but I noticed it too. It's actually Gordon who say it the most, at least 5 or 6 times. I just see it as a character's language tic and a little something that helps personalize it. I actually like that little touch.

He certainly says it the most but there's enough to go around. In one of the scenes, I think before the car chase, Gordon, Selina and someone else says it in fairly quick succession.

It's honestly not a huge thing but the more I watch it, the more it starts seeming like something being done on purpose, so you might be right.

 

[souperman]

Rob was in better shape than Keaton so that’s a strange thing to say. Atrocious acting? Huh? Same vibe as the Gotham show? Huh? I’m so confused. Also Oz is the one who caused the deaths by his crazy stunt he pulled on the highway. If a cop chases a criminal onto a highway, is it their fault if the criminal kills ppl? He’s not pancaking cars like Bale and ppl are fine with that.

I respect your opinion.

Better shape yes. But not imposing.

Rob just didn't convince me in the slightest that he could overpower a group of thugs let alone one.

He not only brooded but was depressing in his tone. Believe me, I get it all. I get what they were going for. Just didn't do it for me.

Bale was pumped for Begins AND the LOS training myth, learning to be a "ninja" shadow vigilante sold the fact that he could fight a group of men.

Batfleck was just the huge semi-sane brawler that you believe could overpower thugs like in the new Reacher series.

For me Rob is all sizzle and no steak. Just my opinion. Twilight with a cowl.

BTW, when cops chase a criminal it IS their fault if they are reckless. Their duty is to defuse the situation and follow... safely until there is a safe opportunity to stop the car. Not to chase the criminal so hard that he kills dozens of people.

Rob kept hittin the gas... blowing up a tanker etc. No difference in the indifference IMO.

Again, I don't mind the damage and violence since it is pretend but there is NO difference in outcome between all the BATMAN portrayals of violence. Just would like people to use the same standards for all films. But that's just me. ; )

 

[samsnee]

Guess I’m in the minority who likes this Batmobile. I think the design suits this younger, Year two Batman who’s more low-tech compared to other versions. Personally I think it suits this gear-head take that doesn’t have a Lucius Fox that he can ask to recolor military vehicles black for him. So Bruce repurposing a sports car into something that he uses to fight crime with works for me. I think it’s a lot more believable that it looks like a regular-esque car as I think it works in the context of the experience level and nature of this interpretation, at least for where he is now in story.

I think over the course of the trilogy, much like with the batsuit, they’ll evolve the design towards a more traditional Batmobile look in order to mirror this Batman’s growing maturation into the traditional Batman. So it’s fairly clear they went with such an understated and basic design for a reason. What matters most is not how cool it should look, what matters most is it’s purpose in the story and how it serves this particular take on the character. And judging from what I’ve seen so far I think this batmobile(which, given the grounded tone, most likely won’t be called a “batmobile”) works fine for what it is.

It reminds me of the Spider-Man: Homecoming trilogy. Fans were disappointed it felt like Iron Man Jr, and we never get a mention of Uncle Ben or “with great responsibility…”. But then NWH comes out and we do get the line and it feels more earned than if we had got it in the first movie. And he has the classical suit at the end, and has grown into the Spider-Man we know.

 

[shauner111]

Twilight with a cowl. Oh good lord..

 

[scarlet-witch]

I dislike that Alfred was in this so little. I loved Andy Serkis' take on it.

I like everything else.

 

[DeadlyWest]

I respect your opinion.

Better shape yes. But not imposing.

Rob just didn't convince me in the slightest that he could overpower a group of thugs let alone one.

He not only brooded but was depressing in his tone. Believe me, I get it all. I get what they were going for. Just didn't do it for me.

Bale was pumped for Begins AND the LOS training myth, learning to be a "ninja" shadow vigilante sold the fact that he could fight a group of men.

Batfleck was just the huge semi-sane brawler that you believe could overpower thugs like in the new Reacher series.

For me Rob is all sizzle and no steak. Just my opinion. Twilight with a cowl.

BTW, when cops chase a criminal it IS their fault if they are reckless. Their duty is to defuse the situation and follow... safely until there is a safe opportunity to stop the car. Not to chase the criminal so hard that he kills dozens of people.

Rob kept hittin the gas... blowing up a tanker etc. No difference in the indifference IMO.

Again, I don't mind the damage and violence since it is pretend but there is NO difference in outcome between all the BATMAN portrayals of violence. Just would like people to use the same standards for all films. But that's just me. ; )

This is Donnie Yen, a high profile martial arts actor.

While highly athletic, his physique is arguably most comparable to that of Pattinson (if not maybe a touch slimmer)



Donnie Yen once sent 8 men to the hospital for harassing his girlfriend in the 90s. Not because he was buff, but because he knew how to fight from years of martial arts experience.

As for the car chase, sure, Batman was reckless and obsessive in that scene. Reeves himself even says that and explains why

But to say that Battinson continuing to chase Penguin and Penguin doing something borderline suicidal is in any way even comparable to Batfleck literally turning people into mince meat with miniguns on the Batmobile and Batwing is flat out silly.

We are using the same standards for all films. And it's not even comparable.

 

[souperman]

As I said, I get all the soul searching reasoning and excuses. It's a movie.

Pattinson is just not imposing or intimidating as Batman IMO.

BTW...
You know what happens when Bruce Lee hits Andre the Giant...

Nothing...

; )

glad you liked the film.

 

[DeadlyWest]

BTW...
You know what happens when Bruce Lee hits Andre the Giant...

Nothing...

; )

You might be shocked to learn that most people are not 7 foot tall and 500 pounds.

Not finding Pattinson intimidating is fine. I'm just telling you that expecting beefier muscles to equal more viability in combat is just not correct.

 

[metaphysician]

As for the car chase, sure, Batman was reckless and obsessive in that scene. Reeves himself even says that and explains why

But to say that Battinson continuing to chase Penguin and Penguin doing something borderline suicidal is in any way even comparable to Batfleck literally turning people into mince meat with miniguns on the Batmobile and Batwing is flat out silly.

We are using the same standards for all films. And it's not even comparable.

Its worth noting that Penguin was the one who chose, deliberately, to cause a massive crash. It wasn't even a matter of out of control driving accidentally causing a bystander vehicle to lose control. Penguin intentionally crashed other vehicles. That is on him.

 

[souperman]

You might be shocked to learn that most people are not 7 foot tall and 500 pounds.

Not finding Pattinson intimidating is fine. I'm just telling you that expecting beefier muscles to equal more viability in combat is just not correct.

...sure...

But I'm sure you know my point was that larger/stronger PLUS ninja LOS combat abilities trumps smaller lighter movie kung fu skills every time.

Again, Nolan did a good job setting up Bruce/Batman learning the tricks of the League of Shadows and disciplined training PLUS Bale was "beefier" in Begins so it worked.

Pattinson just looks (to me) like a A&F model on Halloween. Big lift to make me believe he could be the Batman and as I said, his acting did not make me believe. Tom Hardy made me believe he was bigger and more intimidating as Bane even at 5 foot 9. Rob is a good actor, just didn't convince me in this.

 

[The Joker]

Likes:
- Batman
- Gordon having so much screen time with Batman to help solve the crimes
- Bat/Cat dynamic
- Gotham City looked great
- Penguin was awesome. The MVP of the villains for me

Dislikes:
- The whole Thomas Wayne corruption sub plot was pointless and went nowhere interesting
- Alfred was very under used
- Bruce Wayne needs more personality
- The movie was far too long. At least 30-40 minutes could have been shaved off