The BATSUIT Thread

[ThatOneGuy]

And I mean professionals have screwed up many batsuits and superhero suits in general even as of recently...

How recent are we talking? Like, name some examples. Because for the past few years I've been generally satisfied with the quality of superhero suits we've been getting, especially compared to way back then.

 

[The Shape]

Batfleck just looked so much better in all of the Snyder-shot JL scenes. It's crazy.

 

[FatRobin]

Batfleck just looked so much better in all of the Snyder-shot JL scenes. It's crazy.

That's actually the BvS suit if I'm not mistaken. I recognize the cowl. The gauntlets don't have straps on them too. But yeah he looks so good.

 

[Invader Joker]

Batfleck just looked so much better in all of the Snyder-shot JL scenes. It's crazy.

Mostly because that suit only looks good in very specific angles. Once you see it on video it starts looking like an obvious muscle suit nightmare.

 

[Invader Joker]

How recent are we talking? Like, name some examples. Because for the past few years I've been generally satisfied with the quality of superhero suits we've been getting, especially compared to way back then.

Shazam. Also, I know its controversial to say it but I'm not a fan of the BvS suit. Most people I've seen that aren't super into Frank Miller or Jim Lee think he looked fat and I agree.

 

[The Shape]

Mostly because that suit only looks good in very specific angles. Once you see it on video it starts looking like an obvious muscle suit nightmare.

Every Batsuit ever made (and most other superhero suits) looks best from certain angles. That's why film cinematography is meticulously planned and executed in terms of framing and lighting, as opposed to behind the scenes footage or people filming things with their phones. It will be the same for Battinson's suit.

There's a stark difference between the ways Snyder and Whedon shot/lit Batman in JL.

 

[Travesty]

Black Panther's suit looked like he was wearing pajamas on set. In the movie, it looks like a badass suit.

 

[Invader Joker]

Except I think that Batfleck's suit looked bad even on the movie and promotional materials.

 

[Travesty]

Mostly because that suit only looks good in very specific angles. Once you see it on video it starts looking like an obvious muscle suit nightmare.

Except I think that Batfleck's suit looked bad even on the movie and promotional materials.

 

[Invader Joker]

It's not a contradiction. I think he looks good on certain pictures, but most of them he looks horrible in my eyes.

 

[Enriquespy]

One of my favourite looks in terms suit/photography was the way the begins suit looked at the beginning of TDK.

But, past is past. lest see what new things be coming.

 

[harrier1215]

Things I don't get about people's wishes for a batsuit:
1. Ears so long that Batman couldn't hide in tight spaces.

2. A cowl with a hard neck/shoulder connection as one piece not allowing Batman to turn his head.

3. For film/tv (live-action) Batsuits to not have any look/feel of armor. Comics can leave it to the imagination, on screen would just look bad.

4. All black Batsuits that look like they'd come out of any other media with people wearing tactical gear.

5. The return of the yellow oval which would give Batman away while also trying to be stealthy.

6. Mistaking that something that looks fun drawn or animated digitally with how something would look and work on screen in live-action.

 

[The Shape]

Things I don't get about people's wishes for a batsuit:

5. The return of the yellow oval which would give Batman away while also trying to be stealthy.
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The logic behind this particular sentiment is so bogus and bizarre to me.

You are willing to accept that a man dresses up in a bat costume, wears a bat logo on his chest, scales buildings, leaps off rooftops, swings around the city using grappling guns, beats up and interrogates criminals as a vigilante while often working in conjunction with the police force, is essentially the world's smartest man and best martial artist ever, etc.

....but a hint of yellow on his chest is too much to handle because it supposedly ruins his chances of being stealthy? Doesn't make sense. This is a superhero movie based on comic books, not a biography or documentary about a member of Seal Team 6.

 

[Invader Joker]

The perspective that "Oh its Batman the whole premise is ridiculous might as well say **** it and just put x ridiculous idea into the film anyway " doesn't sit well with me at all.

You wanna know what we get when creators try to take the character seriously? The Nolan trilogy, The Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, Joker, etc.
And what do we get when they say "lol **** it man dressed as a bat let's do whatever"? Batman and Robin.

For whatever reason, the character just works better when you try to take it as seriously as possible despite the initial ridiculous concept. I swear, with that mentality we'd have never gotten past the 60s show.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Things I don't get about people's wishes for a batsuit:
1. Ears so long that Batman couldn't hide in tight spaces.

2. A cowl with a hard neck/shoulder connection as one piece not allowing Batman to turn his head.

3. For film/tv (live-action) Batsuits to not have any look/feel of armor. Comics can leave it to the imagination, on screen would just look bad.

4. All black Batsuits that look like they'd come out of any other media with people wearing tactical gear.

5. The return of the yellow oval which would give Batman away while also trying to be stealthy.

6. Mistaking that something that looks fun drawn or animated digitally with how something would look and work on screen in live-action.

1. Personally, I don't want very long ears, just ears longer than Affleck's costume. But I think this falls into an area I'm not particularly interested in, that being trying to look at Batman's costume practically. I don't need it to be practical, I just need it to look good on screen.

2. Again, it just looks better visually.

3. The armour can be underneath his costume, which I believe is the case in the comics.

5. No it wouldn't. It's not like it would glow in the dark, and anyways, if someone spots him, so what? He's Batman.

6. Anything can work on screen. As long as it makes sense in the context of the world the movie is set in.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The perspective that "Oh its Batman the whole premise is ridiculous might as well say **** it and just put x ridiculous idea into the film anyway " doesn't sit well with me at all.

You wanna know what we get when creators try to take the character seriously? The Nolan trilogy, The Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, Joker, etc.
And what do we get when they say "lol **** it man dressed as a bat let's do whatever"? Batman and Robin.

For whatever reason, the character just works better when you try to take it as seriously as possible despite the initial ridiculous concept. I swear, with that mentality we'd have never gotten past the 60s show.

This is true, but I believe there's room for gray areas between these two absolutes. We can both take the character seriously, and still admit that, yes, we are accepting a level of suspension of disbelief that a man is wearing a ridiculous outfit fighting criminals. At the end of the day, a cape is just as impractical as an oval.

 

[Boom]

The perspective that "Oh its Batman the whole premise is ridiculous might as well say **** it and just put x ridiculous idea into the film anyway " doesn't sit well with me at all.

You wanna know what we get when creators try to take the character seriously? The Nolan trilogy, The Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, Joker, etc.
And what do we get when they say "lol **** it man dressed as a bat let's do whatever"? Batman and Robin.

For whatever reason, the character just works better when you try to take it as seriously as possible despite the initial ridiculous concept. I swear, with that mentality we'd have never gotten past the 60s show.

You're extrapolating beyond belief. There is A LOT of middle ground between the "take this seriously" Nolan films and the "this is all a joke" Schumacher films.

 

[cryptic name]

Things I don't get about people's wishes for a batsuit:
1. Ears so long that Batman couldn't hide in tight spaces.

2. A cowl with a hard neck/shoulder connection as one piece not allowing Batman to turn his head.

3. For film/tv (live-action) Batsuits to not have any look/feel of armor. Comics can leave it to the imagination, on screen would just look bad.

4. All black Batsuits that look like they'd come out of any other media with people wearing tactical gear.

5. The return of the yellow oval which would give Batman away while also trying to be stealthy.

6. Mistaking that something that looks fun drawn or animated digitally with how something would look and work on screen in live-action.

My list:

"[Insert aesthetic choice here] won't work in live action."

 

[Invader Joker]

This is true, but I believe there's room for gray areas between these two absolutes. We can both take the character seriously, and still admit that, yes, we are accepting a level of suspension of disbelief that a man is wearing a ridiculous outfit fighting criminals. At the end of the day, a cape is just as impractical as an oval.

Not really. Nolan and the Arkham games justified the cape EXTREMELY well. And the only reason it's impractical is because people can grab it; if you make it so that it electrocutes the thug when they touch it or something like that, then that solves that problem in a way that makes sense.

I'm not against the oval, I just think that justifying it by using the "lol man dressed as a bat" argument is incredibly condescending.

Imagine if the rest of the film was approached with that same mentality.

Director for a Batman film? "Pff who cares man dressed like a bat choose whatever director let's not take it seriously"
Actor to play Batman? "Pff who cares man dressed like a bat it's not like we need a talented actor for it"
Cinematogapher? "Pff who cares man dressed like a bat people don't even notice that stuff."

We'd all be pissed off about it, but suddenly when it comes to justifying certain cherry picked things suddenly it's okay to be dismissive about the whole character and say he's essentially a joke or something to justify some corny detail like the blue, or the oval, or a 12 year old Robin. As much as I've gone on and on against the blue, I at least appreciate the justification that navy blue is better for hiding in the dark.

Here's a justification the oval that isn't condescending: Part of the idea of Batman is to be a symbol to people. Criminals are not really going to see the symbol when he's in the dark beating them into oblivion (although I'd still say don't make the oval too bright) or when he's picking them one by one. However, when Batman approaches a civilian, someone that he's trying to save, they're going to see the symbol pretty clearly and they're going to remember it.

 

[harrier1215]

You're extrapolating beyond belief. There is A LOT of middle ground between the "take this seriously" Nolan films and the "this is all a joke" Schumacher films.

Exactly, see the MCU.

 

[Invader Joker]

Putting the debate aside for a second, the costume designer for the batsuit just "liked" this concept on Instagram.

 

[Boom]

Some good ****ing content.

 

[Jekecy]

Here's a justification the oval that isn't condescending: Part of the idea of Batman is to be a symbol to people. Criminals are not really going to see the symbol when he's in the dark beating them into oblivion (although I'd still say don't make the oval too bright) or when he's picking them one by one. However, when Batman approaches a civilian, someone that he's trying to save, they're going to see the symbol pretty clearly and they're going to remember it.

Even without any visible insignias, somehow I have a feeling a civilian who gets up close and personal to the Batman, won’t easily forget the 6ft+ devil-horned, caped hero.

People have spent far too long mulling over a design element which in itself is already justified by name. Logos/emblems exist solely to announce and/or represent branding and statements. Nothing complicated.

Whether it’s for criminals, civilians, or even just a private personal touch — you don’t need to reverse engineer what is a fully understood concept.

 

[Blind Bat]

The perspective that "Oh its Batman the whole premise is ridiculous might as well say **** it and just put x ridiculous idea into the film anyway " doesn't sit well with me at all.

You wanna know what we get when creators try to take the character seriously? The Nolan trilogy, The Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, Joker, etc.
And what do we get when they say "lol **** it man dressed as a bat let's do whatever"? Batman and Robin.

For whatever reason, the character just works better when you try to take it as seriously as possible despite the initial ridiculous concept. I swear, with that mentality we'd have never gotten past the 60s show.

Trying to say the yellow oval is on the same level as like bat-nipples or something is beyond crazy.

 

[Invader Joker]

Trying to say the yellow oval is on the same level as like bat-nipples or something is beyond crazy.

I didn't say that. I defended the oval in another comment.