The BATSUIT Thread

[Micromind]

Bermejo suit is what we would have got if Batman was in MCU.

 

[harrier1215]

Bermejo's suit is gross. It's supposed to be given the style of his work. That doesn't mean it should get anywhere close to being done in the film though. It would be a disaster.

 

[Maze]

I love Bermejo suit but i totally understand why somebody would not love it as a drawing. I'm sure it could be awesome on screen, with the right vision and the right costume designer. And we have great film Makers there. Anyways, i'm sure that whatever the suit end up being, it will be great.

 

[Travesty]

I like it other than the huge ass emblem that connects to the cape. It's just way too big. But other than that, I like Bermejo's suit.

 

[Micromind]

Bermejo is a good illustrator but I'm not a fan of his Bat-suit. If you like some artist's work... fine, but you have to like everything he draws /designs.

 

[Boom]

The Bermejo suit isn't too dissimilar from the Affleck suit in terms of overall aesthetic, so in that sense it is a bit "been there done that." I also think it lends itself more towards an actor with a stockier build, which isn't Pattinson.

Pattinson's frame basically screams for something more in the Aparo/Adams/Breyfogle vein.

 

[Nemeres]

Not a big fan of lenses or the lame debates that come out that specific feature, but BroHawk makes everything look gorge. I also like the idea of the neck covered by somewhat wrinkled fabric and the cowl working as a helm of sorts. It doesn't have to look perfectly smooth from top to bottom, imo.

Cool gallery of diverse bat-art.

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[Invader Joker]

The Bermejo suit isn't too dissimilar from the Affleck suit in terms of overall aesthetic, so in that sense it is a bit "been there done that." I also think it lends itself more towards an actor with a stockier build, which isn't Pattinson.

Pattinson's frame basically screams for something more in the Aparo/Adams/Breyfogle vein.

If you mean cape and cowl sure, but in terms of the overall suit, none of the artists were as detailed with materials as Bermejo was so it could look any number of different ways.
Heck. Because of how easy it was to put on and off and even fold in some comics you could even say it was a glorified pajama more similar to Adam West.

Also, this is no slight against Pattinson as I think he's probably in acceptable shape right now... but his frame and physique aren't anything like any of those artists. I feel that people tend to understimate how big those artists really drew Batman.

No Batman actor has had the physique that Adams, Aparo or Breyfogle drew Batman in. The closest that came to that was Affleck.

I feel the best way to go is to do the Bermejo suit in the body part of the suit with similar chain mail militaristic materials and have the cowl be something a bit more like Adams (But black, obviously)

 

[Travesty]

The Bermejo suit isn't too dissimilar from the Affleck suit in terms of overall aesthetic, so in that sense it is a bit "been there done that." I also think it lends itself more towards an actor with a stockier build, which isn't Pattinson.

Pattinson's frame basically screams for something more in the Aparo/Adams/Breyfogle vein.

I see Bermejo’s suit different in live action. I don’t see it closer to Affleck’s at all, I see it closer to Cap’s suit in Winter Soldier.

I do agree that I would prefer to see something similar to Adams and Breyfogle, though. Hell, I would love to see a Breyfogle Batmobile. I love his Batmobile.

 

[Blind Bat]

Not a big fan of lenses or the lame debates that come out that specific feature, but BroHawk makes everything look gorge. I also like the idea of the neck covered by somewhat wrinkled fabric and the cowl working as a helm of sorts. It doesn't have to look perfectly smooth from top to bottom, imo.

Cool gallery of diverse bat-art.

Batman Image Carousel 27

That Robin looks freaking awesome. Really plays up the "Robin Hood" inspiration.

 

[Travesty]

Yeah, I really like that Robin design. I think it looks rad.

 

[harrier1215]

Just give us this, but adapted for film.

 

[antsman41]

Yeah... simple clean clothe version of Year One. With added kevlar/etc. ala what Broken City showed. Maybe a little hadn't waving of simplified advanced tech ala Nolan did but not with a "rubber" suit.

 

[DKDetective]

If you mean cape and cowl sure, but in terms of the overall suit, none of the artists were as detailed with materials as Bermejo was so it could look any number of different ways.
Heck. Because of how easy it was to put on and off and even fold in some comics you could even say it was a glorified pajama more similar to Adam West.

Also, this is no slight against Pattinson as I think he's probably in acceptable shape right now... but his frame and physique aren't anything like any of those artists. I feel that people tend to understimate how big those artists really drew Batman.

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No Batman actor has had the physique that Adams, Aparo or Breyfogle drew Batman in. The closest that came to that was Affleck.

I feel the best way to go is to do the Bermejo suit in the body part of the suit with similar chain mail militaristic materials and have the cowl be something a bit more like Adams (But black, obviously)

It is true that Adams, Aparo, and Breyfogle drew Batman as bigger and more muscular than realize. They used 1960s-1970s bodybuilders as their models for drawing their superhero physiques, but what Boom was saying still has merit. That type of physique was still pretty tall, lanky, and lean overall when you look at the overall proportions. Frank Miller, Jim Lee, Bermejo, and other modern artists often draw Batman overall much thicker and stockier. The former Batman is like Serge Nubret or Frank Zane, the latter Batman is like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Lou Ferigno. Pattinson's overall structure would be more suited to an Adams or Aparo style Batman and costume.

As Boom was suggesting, the longer ears, streamlined gauntlets and boots, less obvious armour and bulk, and flowing cape, would be more flattering on a Batman who is leaner and less heavily muscled. A boxy, heavy Bermejo suit would better an bulkier, stockier interpretation of Bruce who is built like a brick house.

Also, there is no way that Affleck was closest to the Adams/Aparo style physique. That style of physique is characterized by aesthetics and balance (well developed shoulders, chest, back tapering into a narrow waist, etc.) Affleck is just naturally wide and blocky. In his 40s, Affleck's basic bone structure was more naturally suited to the latter style of bulky Batman. By far, the closest in physique to Adams and Aparo to date, was Bale as Bruce in Begins (at least as he slimmed down a bit more during the shoot), see the pushups scene:

 

[antsman41]

As long as we don't do rubber suits or armor-extravaganza.

Affleck was too built, made Bale's Fatman jokes tame... and Arkham suits seem like Batman weighs 100-150lbs heavier than any human could possibly carry.

 

[Invader Joker]

It is true that Adams, Aparo, and Breyfogle drew Batman as bigger and more muscular than realize. They used 1960s-1970s bodybuilders as their models for drawing their superhero physiques, but what Boom was saying still has merit. That type of physique was still pretty tall, lanky, and lean overall when you look at the overall proportions. Frank Miller, Jim Lee, Bermejo, and other modern artists often draw Batman overall much thicker and stockier. The former Batman is like Serge Nubret or Frank Zane, the latter Batman is like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Lou Ferigno. Pattinson's overall structure would be more suited to an Adams or Aparo style Batman and costume.

First of all, I love your posts.

But I'm not sure I can agree with lumping Bermejo with those two. Especially in that side by side image I just posted it's clear to me that his Batman doesn't look at all like a Lou Ferrigno type of bodybuilder. It looks more like a modern male fitness model.

(inb4 "you're gay for posting pictures of shirtless dudes loooool")

It looks much more closer to the type of Neal Adams-esque physique, just drawn in Bermejo's style, than it does to something like let's say Alex Ross or Jim Lee.

Heck, I'd argue it looks a bit leaner than Neal Adams.

But either way, fact of the matter is that Pattinson looks like none of them. I guess you could say that Pattinson looks closer to Neal Adams than he does with Jim Lee but that's pointless since he still doesn't look like Neal Adams Batman anyway. You'd have to put him in a year of intense physical training to look like Neal Adams Batman.


The closest he looks to any comic book Batman are Jorge Fornes

And Nick Derrington:

And even then those are some lousy points of reference for a real life batsuit because their style is more on the cartoony side so their designs wouldn't translate the exact same way in live action and it gives us no clear clue as far as textures go.

I actually have it the other way around: The more muscular a Batman actor is, the more you can get away with having him on a skin-tight batsuit. And the more lean he is, the more you need some sort of armor or chain mail or special tactical texture that accentuates some of his features while not overtly relying on padding and showing protection.

 

[harrier1215]

Whats funny is I like a leaner Batman aesthetically but if you think about it, to have the strength he does and whatnot he'd have to be very muscular. Whereas Superman is always made to look huge but you don't need him to be as the idea of the Yellow Sun making him stronger is that it doesn't make him bigger.

Anyway, good thoughts.

 

[Superherofan123]

6’2” and 225lbs as he’s depicted in the comics is a BIG dude. Especially at the extreme shape and low body fat % he would have.

 

[DKDetective]

First of all, I love your posts.

I actually have it the other way around: The more muscular a Batman actor is, the more you can get away with having him on a skin-tight batsuit. And the more lean he is, the more you need some sort of armor or chain mail or special tactical texture that accentuates some of his features while not overtly relying on padding and showing protection.

Thanks! (Don't let some of the comments get you down, there was an entire thread about Bale's physique leading up to TDK and whether he should get bigger or lean down. I think some of the old guard are just tired of the topic.)

I think the reason some of us prefer the more streamlined suit for a lighter, leaner Batman is because it plays into the concept of the character relying on speed and skill over brute strength. It gives the image of a Bruce Lee/Ninja combat style. It is harder to do that with heavy body armour. I'm not a fan of trying to bulk up a leaner Bruce with a heavy, armoured suit because we saw its limitations with Keaton. It resulted in restricted mobility and having to use a lot of creative editting and angles to make him seem proficient and physically capable.

With respect to the suggestion of an Adams/Aparo style suit for a leaner Bruce, I think people are mainly referencing the overall proportions and style. The tall ears, clean utility belt, high boots, etc. all complement a leaner and lighter physique. If you want to try and picture that style of suit in live action, Finch's work on Batman Incorporated gives you a good idea how that classic design might look with real world texture and materials:

(Although Finch tends to succumb to the habit for excessive musculature among modern comic book artists.)

 

[Invader Joker]

Thanks! (Don't let some of the comments get you down, there was an entire thread about Bale's physique leading up to TDK and whether he should get bigger or lean down. I think some of the old guard are just tired of the topic.)

I think the reason some of us prefer the more streamlined suit for a lighter, leaner Batman is because it plays into the concept of the character relying on speed and skill over brute strength. It gives the image of a Bruce Lee/Ninja combat style. It is harder to do that with heavy body armour. I'm not a fan of trying to bulk up a leaner Bruce with a heavy, armoured suit because we saw its limitations with Keaton. It resulted in restricted mobility and having to use a lot of creative editting and angles to make him seem proficient and physically capable.

With respect to the suggestion of an Adams/Aparo style suit for a leaner Bruce, I think people are mainly referencing the overall proportions and style. The tall ears, clean utility belt, high boots, etc. all complement a leaner and lighter physique. If you want to try and picture that style of suit in live action, Finch's work on Batman Incorporated gives you a good idea how that classic design might look with real world texture and materials:

(Although Finch tends to succumb to the habit for excessive musculature among modern comic book artists.)

I mean, I'd agree with you in everything you say about proportions... that being said I still think that you can adapt parts of the Bermejo suit and mix them with those ideas that you mentioned about the tall ears, belt, etc.


The reason I like the Bermejo suit is precisely because it's not super armored it still looks protective. While I'm not against the armored Telltale/Arkham Knight/New 52/Arkham Origins look, I actually think it looks kinda cool, I do recognize that a design like that is probably more uncomfortable for the actor and more tricky to execute in such a way that allows for satisfying action (tho certainly not impossible)

The chain-mail like texture of Bermejo's suit and tactical nature of that suit can easily be incorporated in a suit that has a more Neal-Adams esque cowl and such and that's very practical and easy to wear for the actor and stuntmen.

Look at just the body part, imagine it with a different cowl, belt, Pattinson's physique, maybe a bit of a different pattern and I feel it can 100% work in a way that feels very organic, agile but practical and protective.

 

[Marvel united]

For reference

 

[harrier1215]

Outside of one of the mech-style suits we sometimes see for Batman, the Bermejo suit looks like Batman would make so much noise and look like a roast beef sandwich.

 

[Invader Joker]

Outside of one of the mech-style suits we sometimes see for Batman, the Bermejo suit looks like Batman would make so much noise and look like a roast beef sandwich.

I don't see that at all

 

[Maze]

It could if they wanted to aha but seriously we know all that "at worst" it would look, like travesty said, a Captain America/ Winter soldier style costume. I get that this is not the kind of look that some want, and for the moment we are a little in the dark about what Reeves want, but still, it could happen. The word is could. We'll see soon? Maybe? ahaha

 

[harrier1215]

I don't see that at all

It looks like the suit is made up of a theaters play curtain there's so much bagginess and so many folds. I just do not get the appeal.