The BATSUIT Thread

[Tg11]

I think it's kind of a shame Brandon Routh was cast as Superman because I think he could make a great BTAS Bruce Wayne.

I want to see a charming Bruce Wayne again.

I could actually see it

 

[Tg11]

If Pattinson wasn't cast then actors who could have been Batman

Keanu Reeves as Batman (older in the Batfleck range)

Nick Jonas

Richard Madden if he didn't end up in the MCU with the Eternals

Josh Brolin (older Batfleck range)

Jake Gyllenhaal (older but could pass for younger)

Armie Hammer (young but could possibly pass for older)

Ryan Gosling

Nicholas Hoult

Jon Hamm (older Batfleck range)

Fassbender (older Batfleck range)

 

[Jig96v]

All this proves is that Bale was more like the actual "Canon" Comic Book Batman than Keaton was.

Thank. You.

Keaton's psychopath is not the standard. Bale's selfless altruist is the standard.

Christian Bale GOAT.

 

[TMP98]

Nick Jonas

hmm....

 

[Rorschach2012]

Christian Bale’s Batman is objectively more comic book accurate. Michael Keaton is a better Batman though. He’s more animalistic and his voice was so much better. Really hope Pattinson goes for a whisper like Keaton.

 

[craigaat]

Thank. You.

Keaton's psychopath is not the standard. Bale's selfless altruist is the standard.

Christian Bale GOAT.

I don't see Keaton as a psychopath at all.

 

[Invader Joker]

I don't see Keaton as a psychopath at all.

The only difference between Keaton and Affleck's Batman is that Keaton's Batman would have killed Superman even after he begged for his mother and he'd have smiled after it too.

 

[Captain Tired]

I mean, I don't know if I would necessarily agree with Keaton's Batman being an out and out psychopath, but if you're using his needless murder of certain criminals as the sole criteria, then Bale's Batman is also a psychopath. Together with Gordon, he orchestrates the destruction of the monorail, and once the primary threat has already been neutralised, coldly chooses not to save Ra's from the resulting fallout. So that's also murder.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It doesn't bother me but what Bale does to Ras isn't any better than Keaton's kills. I would argue that the other times Batman kills in the trilogy are completely understandable and justified in comparison, but he does execute Ras.

 

[Tg11]

Basically all Batmans kill except Kilmer in Forever or Clooney in Batman & Robin

 

[Captain Tired]

No, Kilmer also killed Two-Face.

So essentially Clooney is the only onscreen iteration to have upheld that supposed golden rule. Clooney's selfless altruist is the standard.

George Clooney GOAT.

Suddenly that initial post is robbed of its vigour.

 

[Jig96v]

I mean, I don't know if I would necessarily agree with Keaton's Batman being an out and out psychopath, but if you're using his needless murder of certain criminals as the sole criteria,

I'm not.

 

[KGBANE]

This is cool by izruzim on Insta.
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Damn pic gave me chills in a good way!

 

[KGBANE]

Keaton's Batman killing don't really bothers me like Ben's Batman. I guess Keaton's Batman came out around time where body-count was an 80s/90s thing(they had to get him out of the 60s camp) and Burton's Batman movies was like a mash between modern day mixed with the 30s/40s where Batman actually used guns and killed people(He did iced The Joker the first time they met in the comics before they brought him back to life). The Snyder movies are taking place in our time where some characters just don't kill and with Nolan doing it so well with his movies( I know his Batman kills but not in cold blood or trying to be cool/edgy). There is no excuse for Snyder trying to make Sup or Bat's out of character just to make them so called more badass. If he wanted them to kill and be different he should had the movies set in the 30s or 40s! I think people would had gave him a pass if they were set in the golden aged and then have them rebooted after 5 movies or have another universe going on. So one day all the characters could had met and team up thanks to two Flashes aka Jay and Barry! Oh well no need crying over spelt milk,we are getting our light reboot. I was just playing devil's advocate because somethings I like what Snyder did and others had my shaking my damn head(and I know some of you guys like/dislike what Snyder did also).

 

[DKDetective]

Keaton's Batman killing don't really bothers me like Ben's Batman. I guess Keaton's Batman came out around time where body-count was an 80s/90s thing(they had to get him out of the 60s camp) and Burton's Batman movies was like a mash between modern day mixed with the 30s/40s where Batman actually used guns and killed people(He did iced The Joker the first time they met in the comics before they brought him back to life). The Snyder movies are taking place in our time where some characters just don't kill and with Nolan doing it so well with his movies( I know his Batman kills but not in cold blood or trying to be cool/edgy). There is no excuse for Snyder trying to make Sup or Bat's out of character just to make them so called more badass. If he wanted them to kill and be different he should had the movies set in the 30s or 40s! I think people would had gave him a pass if they were set in the golden aged and then have them rebooted after 5 movies or have another universe going on. So one day all the characters could had met and team up thanks to two Flashes aka Jay and Barry! Oh well no need crying over spelt milk,we are getting our light reboot. I was just playing devil's advocate because somethings I like what Snyder did and others had my shaking my damn head(and I know some of you guys like/dislike what Snyder did also).

That's not true at all actually. The Joker's first appearance in Batman #1 ends with a rooftop climax where during the fight the Joker falls off the roof, but Batman catches him, saving him. Basically, like many aspects of Batman #1, it is pretty faithfully adapted by the Nolans in The Dark Knight.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I remember how excited and anxious I was for months and months to see the suit. I'm not a fan but I need to accept it and hope it changes for the sequel.

 

[TonyDiego]

I remember how excited and anxious I was for months and months to see the suit. I'm not a fan but I need to accept it and hope it changes for the sequel.

I was very, very anxious for the Bruce Wayne casting. But once I realised that Pattinson wouldn't be doing a proper physical transformation, I lost interest in the batsuit reveal. And I'm also dissapointed with the batsuit.

 

[chefmolnar]

There is no excuse for Snyder trying to make Sup or Bat's out of character just to make them so called more badass.

It wasn't about making Batman "more badass," it was because Bruce Wayne was disillusioned and traumatized by the Black Zero attack. Think about how we felt after 9/11 -- we wanted blood, many of us wanted to carpet bomb everything in the Middle East -- it was irrational and kneejerk. That's where Bruce Wayne is in BvS. He totally lost his way. See also Alfred's speech about "turning good men cruel." It's not a random choice to have Batman kill people or want to kill Superman, it's part of the post-Black Zero hysteria that clearly gripped everyone, including Bruce Wayne, and turned them cruel. It's justified by the story. Bruce Wayne didn't just wake up one day and say, "I think I'll kill Superman and anyone who tries to stop me."

 

[KGBANE]

It wasn't about making Batman "more badass," it was because Bruce Wayne was disillusioned and traumatized by the Black Zero attack. Think about how we felt after 9/11 -- we wanted blood, many of us wanted to carpet bomb everything in the Middle East -- it was irrational and kneejerk. That's where Bruce Wayne is in BvS. He totally lost his way. See also Alfred's speech about "turning good men cruel." It's not a random choice to have Batman kill people or want to kill Superman, it's part of the post-Black Zero hysteria that clearly gripped everyone, including Bruce Wayne, and turned them cruel. It's justified by the story. Bruce Wayne didn't just wake up one day and say, "I think I'll kill Superman and anyone who tries to stop me."

After listen to Snyder commentary and been a fan of the man since Dawn. It was just to make his Batman & Sup more edgy/badass/dark. Okay MOS has it problems but Sup still saved the day at the end of the movie right? I understand Bruce being upset,he turning into a killer and want to murder Sup is really out of character especially watching for a few years and seeing Superman saving people. What didn't help the film at all is this Batman is old but he is still to us,so pretty much we are basing his mortal judgment on the comics from the 30 years to 40s years( a solo movie could had really help this movie out or just use a young Batman!).Bruce is older and should be more Zen instead of a young hot head who can't talk it out or listen to reason.I can go on about it and point out other things about the film. I can also show old videos of how Zack was making of Marvel for making a Thor movie and how manly his Superman was going to be. And how mention Martha wasn't a dumb its just how in the hell Lex of all people figure how Clark is and now Batman the greatest detective. Bruce knew and mention about Sup parents during the fight,did he thinks Clark came from a damn egg?? lol..Their fight is silly because we barely had them talking and getting to know each philosophies. Bruce would had realize that Clark is a okay guy just wet behind the ears and the guys could had a beer together( because Snyder version of them drinks). Matter of fact batman didn't to kill Lex had used Kgbeast to framed Batman and use red kryptonite to mess with Superman mind. So then we get a killer Batman and a reason for them to fight then team up . Like I said I can go on with okay at best Ideas,I just have my opinion about the film. Btw I wore that same Batman halloween costume when I was 5 in 1988 and still have my pic lol

 

[KGBANE]

That's not true at all actually. The Joker's first appearance in Batman #1 ends with a rooftop climax where during the fight the Joker falls off the roof, but Batman catches him, saving him. Basically, like many aspects of Batman #1, it is pretty faithfully adapted by the Nolans in The Dark Knight.

Nah Batman iced him...The Joker first appeared in Batman Comics #1 April 1940 less than a year after Batman first appeared in Detective Comics #27 May 1939. The Joker was originally supposed to have been killed off in his first appearance but was spared at the last minute by then DC Comics editor Whitney Ellsworth.
Batman #1 isn't just famous for being the first official Batman comic issue — it's responsible for introducing the Joker into the Batman canon. As it turns out, the Joker's first comics appearance could have actually been his last, if only he'd he stayed dead at the end of the "Joker Returns" storyline.

It might be easy to imagine the Joker of recent years as a more vicious, brutal character than something a couple of comic creators would have invented in 1940, but the truth is that the Joker of 1940 is just as much a psychopath as the one of the 2000s. The character starts out as a merciless killer, one who uses a toxin — the aptly named Joker Venom — that morphs his victims' faces into gruesome death smiles.

At the end of a particularly vicious killing spree, the Joker faces off against Batman and Robin on a roof. The fight continues on the ground, where the Joker ultimately stabs himself after failing to defeat the crimefighting duo. As he collapses and dies, Batman and Robin run off into the night.
For much of the 1940s, the Joker would die at the end of a confrontation with Batman and the Boy Wonder, only to be resurrected in a subsequent issue. It's almost laughable the number of times the character actually bit the dust, then immediately came back, like some Harlequin zombie hellbent on chaos and destruction. Some deaths were pretty anticlimactic. Others were nearly comical.

In 1941's "Wanted: Practical Jokers" story, the Joker puts out an ad in the daily newspaper in search of practical jokers. When he tricks a group of pranksters into putting their fingerprints on weapons he's used in prior crimes, the Joker blackmails them into committing dangerous pranks throughout Gotham. There's a run-in with a horde of Joker imitators, a jewel heist, and a fight on the roof of a train before Batman punches the Joker and he falls to his supposed death in the river below.
Yep he died in his fight with Batman and Robin! He was brought back because they knew he was too good to waste

 

[DKDetective]

Nah Batman iced him...The Joker first appeared in Batman Comics #1 April 1940 less than a year after Batman first appeared in Detective Comics #27 May 1939. The Joker was originally supposed to have been killed off in his first appearance but was spared at the last minute by then DC Comics editor Whitney Ellsworth.
Batman #1 isn't just famous for being the first official Batman comic issue — it's responsible for introducing the Joker into the Batman canon. As it turns out, the Joker's first comics appearance could have actually been his last, if only he'd he stayed dead at the end of the "Joker Returns" storyline.

It might be easy to imagine the Joker of recent years as a more vicious, brutal character than something a couple of comic creators would have invented in 1940, but the truth is that the Joker of 1940 is just as much a psychopath as the one of the 2000s. The character starts out as a merciless killer, one who uses a toxin — the aptly named Joker Venom — that morphs his victims' faces into gruesome death smiles.

At the end of a particularly vicious killing spree, the Joker faces off against Batman and Robin on a roof. The fight continues on the ground, where the Joker ultimately stabs himself after failing to defeat the crimefighting duo. As he collapses and dies, Batman and Robin run off into the night.
For much of the 1940s, the Joker would die at the end of a confrontation with Batman and the Boy Wonder, only to be resurrected in a subsequent issue. It's almost laughable the number of times the character actually bit the dust, then immediately came back, like some Harlequin zombie hellbent on chaos and destruction. Some deaths were pretty anticlimactic. Others were nearly comical.

In 1941's "Wanted: Practical Jokers" story, the Joker puts out an ad in the daily newspaper in search of practical jokers. When he tricks a group of pranksters into putting their fingerprints on weapons he's used in prior crimes, the Joker blackmails them into committing dangerous pranks throughout Gotham. There's a run-in with a horde of Joker imitators, a jewel heist, and a fight on the roof of a train before Batman punches the Joker and he falls to his supposed death in the river below.
Yep he died in his fight with Batman and Robin! He was brought back because they knew he was too good to waste

I'm confused by what you are trying to say. It seems we are in agreement that Batman #1 did not end with Batman killing the Joker. That may have happened in a draft, but it was changed. It does not matter who changed it or why. Art is a collaborative process and the important part is that the story in fact ends with Batman saving the Joker when he could have let him die.

Yes, the Joker Returns issue ends with Joker accidentally stabbing himself, but that is not Batman's fault and in no way makes it so that Batman killed him.

 

[Thomas Wayne 92]

CW Batman concept art found on Reddit

 

[THE WOLF]

Basically all Batmans kill except Kilmer in Forever or Clooney in Batman & Robin

Kilmer indirectly killed Two Face

 

[shauner111]

Batfleck realizing Superman has/had a mother is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in cinema. He really is depicted as a dumb meathead. Which doesn’t surprise when I hear Zack use the same two adjectives in every interview, describing his own films or the work of others. And his obsession with being a gym bro reflects his casting and writing decisions apparently.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Didn't he challenge Cavill to a push up challenge whenever the two disagreed about a story choice in BvS?