The BATSUIT Thread

[2kt09]

Doesn't matter what it was. Looked like tiny TV screens.

Guessing that's where the contact lenses come in like Young Justice.

 

[Lencho01]

Sometimes, although Affleck had admittedly put on more weight during the JL reshoots so that sort of aggravated the issue.

I just remember the excitement of some fans when we saw he could turn his neck during the BvS and SS times. Especially when one stunt double in SS was on top of Joker's car.

Guessing that's where the contact lenses come in like Young Justice.

Eh, if they feel a need for Batman to have tech like that.

And I don't remember them showing that anyone in the Bat family had such a thing in Season 1 or 2. But, they still had white eyes. Then there are the character who don't wear masks with white eyes or when they aren't wearing masks. I mostly feel this film won't go that route.

 

[Boom]

I just remember the excitement of some fans when we saw he could turn his neck during the BvS and SS times. Especially when one stunt double in SS was on top of Joker's car.



Eh, if they feel a need for Batman to have tech like that.

And I don't remember them showing that anyone in the Bat family had such a thing in Season 1 or 2. But, they still had white eyes. Then there are the character who don't wear masks with white eyes or when they aren't wearing masks. I mostly feel this film won't go that route.

Well the trade-off with the turn-able neck in BvS is that they had to make it crazy huge (which I know some people liked), so if Reeves wants something more form-fitting then we're going to run into the same issues as before. At least with the current practice of using one-piece rubber cowls.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Well the trade-off with the turn-able neck in BvS is that they had to make it crazy huge (which I know some people liked), so if Reeves wants something more form-fitting then we're going to run into the same issues as before. At least with the current practice of using one-piece rubber cowls.

I wonder if they could get a cowl that goes around the head and just cgi the part that covers the neck? Might look bad.

 

[Lencho01]

Well the trade-off with the turn-able neck in BvS is that they had to make it crazy huge (which I know some people liked), so if Reeves wants something more form-fitting then we're going to run into the same issues as before. At least with the current practice of using one-piece rubber cowls.

I wonder if they could get a cowl that goes around the head and just cgi the part that covers the neck? Might look bad.

I think it could be done to appear more form fitting. There has to be a better way than say Cap in Avengers 1 or the various Flash cowls use on the TV show.

I don't remember seeing production pics for Black Panther, but I do remember seeing some for Civil War and he had a bigger neck at times, which they later cleaned up with CGI.

 

[Vaibow]

The cowl should be in parts and the spaces, gaps can easily be filled in with cgi. Picture the Nolan cowl but the neck area tweaked in post production so it didn’t look like he was a biker.. it wouldn’t suprise me if the suits, costumes are touched up anyways - capes, various imperfections...

Back to the expressions - comics have artistic license, exaggerated big time.. therefor on screen it can too... it’s about connecting the audience.. they gotta do what they gotta do and I trust the director.

 

[metaphysician]

So he’d have an in-universe reason for having an animatronic cowl? What would that be? Can you think of anything that would sound silly?

Note that it goes beyond just "is it plausible?" There is also the question of "is it thematic?" Which is to say. . . sure, you could justify it via supertech, like with Spider-man's new outfit. However, this means going with a Batman who has rather ostentatious supertech in his costume. Do you actually *want* to turn Batman into a supertech hero in this manner, or would you rather him be a more classic ninja-with-gadgets design?

Now, 'Supertech Batman' is a perfectly valid creative choice. If that's what you want, great. However, a lot of people have voiced a desire to go the other way, with less armor-y bat suits and more classical imagery. This is also fine. . . but it logically means you also need to give up on the fancy reactive face mask.

 

[Aximili86]

"Filled in with CG".

Seriously? Do you need to? It's a friggin' cowl, not Iron Man nanotech. Completely unnecessary - CG's for what you can't do any other way, it shouldn't be this fallback crutch the way it is now.

Just hire a competent designer, there are like a dozen high-profile ones in the industry. It's worked so far, we don't need to be animating or touching up the damn thing in post.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, while I am generally cowl-skeptical. . . Daredevil has kind of shown that they can work, and without needing a movie budget even. So, yeah.

 

[Vaibow]

"Filled in with CG".

Seriously? Do you need to? It's a friggin' cowl, not Iron Man nanotech. Completely unnecessary - CG's for what you can't do any other way, it shouldn't be this fallback crutch the way it is now.

Just hire a competent designer, there are like a dozen high-profile ones in the industry. It's worked so far, we don't need to be animating or touching up the damn thing in post.

In order for the head to turn and not have latex riding up, buckling or putting pressure on the actors neck/jaw creating a puffy, uncomfortable look etc I simply stated that the cowl under the jaw and around the neck could have seams, to allow room for maneuver. Then, in post, smooth out the seems so that it looks well.. seamless. Not really sure why that would upset you when half of capes we see in the DCEU are cgi... the armour in BvS too... heck, even Supermans face in JL. But sure - I guess hiding seams is too much!

 

[FunkMiller]

Note that it goes beyond just "is it plausible?" There is also the question of "is it thematic?" Which is to say. . . sure, you could justify it via supertech, like with Spider-man's new outfit. However, this means going with a Batman who has rather ostentatious supertech in his costume. Do you actually *want* to turn Batman into a supertech hero in this manner, or would you rather him be a more classic ninja-with-gadgets design?

Now, 'Supertech Batman' is a perfectly valid creative choice. If that's what you want, great. However, a lot of people have voiced a desire to go the other way, with less armor-y bat suits and more classical imagery. This is also fine. . . but it logically means you also need to give up on the fancy reactive face mask.

Excellently put

 

[Marvel united]

Disagree. Batman has always had a reactive face mask, in all of his non-armored incarnations -- he's still had the mask move. So we can have a traditional Batsuit with an emotive mask, if anything, it completes the traditional look as less of "a man in armor" and more of a creature or demon.

 

[Aximili86]

Hell, I don't even need the head to turn. If they can find a way to make it happen while still keeping the panther-neck and not going a CG route, go for it. But no more of that SWAT-team-man "practical" crap from the Nolan sequels for this one. Better not being able to look left and right than that again.

Go more fantasy with this one, one of the few pluses to the Affleck stuff is they didn't worry too much about all that. Iconography & classicism is way more important with the suit than making sense.

 

[TheIronist]

In order for the head to turn and not have latex riding up, buckling or putting pressure on the actors neck/jaw creating a puffy, uncomfortable look etc I simply stated that the cowl under the jaw and around the neck could have seams, to allow room for maneuver. Then, in post, smooth out the seems so that it looks well.. seamless. Not really sure why that would upset you when half of capes we see in the DCEU are cgi... the armour in BvS too... heck, even Supermans face in JL. But sure - I guess hiding seams is too much!

The armour ins BvS was not CGI actually

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hell, I don't even need the head to turn. If they can find a way to make it happen while still keeping the panther-neck and not going a CG route, go for it. But no more of that SWAT-team-man "practical" crap from the Nolan sequels for this one. Better not being able to look left and right than that again.

Go more fantasy with this one, one of the few pluses to the Affleck stuff is they didn't worry too much about all that. Iconography & classicism is way more important with the suit than making sense.

Eh, he needs neck mobility. The fight sequences really suffered because of it. I love the look of Keaton’s suit, but the action the suit limited him to? Not so much.

I agree I’d like it to embrace more of the fantasy, or at the least not go into a “we must explain everything” mode for the suit.

 

[Invader Joker]

I really think it's not impossible to be classical and look awesome while at the same time being practical.

 

[Aximili86]

Well, sure, in terms fo the stunt-men being able to do stuff athletically in a pragmatic sense.

You just also don't need to get into explaining all that like the Nolan movies. Placing an order for cowls from overseas 'cause...reasons, experimental prototype cape-fabric, blah blah. Just..."he's rich and a genius, he did what he needed to do to get it" is kinda enough.

And sure, being able to swivel his head is a huge plus, if you can avoid the Keaton stiffness that's awesome. I also just don't think it was even a problem in Begins, the neck thing, even if Bale couldn't move around much while filming you don't really notice it "in universe" within the film. If they feel like the only way they can keep a panther-neck and mobility is by layering CG over the suit like MCU Spiderman, I'd just way prefer they sacrifice the neck articulation. It was 99% fine in Begins, and the suit looked a good deal towards.perfect.

 

[Invader Joker]

I just think that it gives for a better performance when the actor isn't being physically tortured inside the suit lol. As good Keaton and Bale were, I can't help but have the feeling they'd have been even better have they actually been comfortable in the suit.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Cloth Dave Mazzucchelli suit please.

 

[Invader Joker]

Cloth Dave Mazzucchelli suit please.
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Make the texture like Captain America's suit or Spider-Man Homecoming suit, get rid of the boxers and we're good. Also, make the cowl metallic and the gauntlets too.

 

[BattleAngel]

Fwiw folks I just checked into my flight at an airport by an iris scan from 3 feet away. Pretty sure I’d want my iris data masked if I were a caped vigilante...

 

[Boom]

Conceptually, I think something like the Captain America suits would work great for a fabric-based batsuit, but I'd still try to make it a bit more form-fitting and streamlined from a design perspective. The MCU costumes sure do love their seams.

 

[OutOfBoose]

MCU costumes are too bland for my taste. Batman needs to look "shiny and chrome", imo. Just dressing him in fabric tights with a bunch of seams won't do it for me. Maybe it will work in some super-visionary take that goes against blockbuster ambition, TV series maybe, but I'm not counting on it.

 

[Vaibow]

Hell, I don't even need the head to turn. If they can find a way to make it happen while still keeping the panther-neck and not going a CG route, go for it. But no more of that SWAT-team-man "practical" crap from the Nolan sequels for this one. Better not being able to look left and right than that again.

Go more fantasy with this one, one of the few pluses to the Affleck stuff is they didn't worry too much about all that. Iconography & classicism is way more important with the suit than making sense.

Sure - go out to fight crime - who cares if the suit works - long as it looks cool!!

 

[Vaibow]

MCU costumes are too bland for my taste. Batman needs to look "shiny and chrome", imo. Just dressing him in fabric tights with a bunch of seams won't do it for me. Maybe it will work in some super-visionary take that goes against blockbuster ambition, TV series maybe, but I'm not counting on it.

So like Marvel’s iron man