The BATSUIT Thread

[KGBANE]

I'm confused by what you are trying to say. It seems we are in agreement that Batman #1 did not end with Batman killing the Joker. That may have happened in a draft, but it was changed. It does not matter who changed it or why. Art is a collaborative process and the important part is that the story in fact ends with Batman saving the Joker when he could have let him die.

Yes, the Joker Returns issue ends with Joker accidentally stabbing himself, but that is not Batman's fault and in no way makes it so that Batman killed him.

Sorry he was meant to die at the end of Joker's Return from 1940 The only thing they did was charge it in the next issues and act like it didn't happen(the boss at DC loved The Joker decided to put the text at the end that he made it even though it was suppose to be the last we saw of him..Thank goodness they did that). Not the first time they changed something it's like when Batman killed KGBeast just to have it changed later because it was out of character for him to do that to him especially bricking him in an letting him die a slow death. I'm going to bring up The Killing Joke I really don't think Bats killed him at the end. I think its up to readers I just don't see it...kinda but nah lol

 

[KGBANE]

Batfleck realizing Superman has/had a mother is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in cinema. He really is depicted as a dumb meathead. Which doesn’t surprise when I hear Zack use the same two adjectives in every interview, describing his own films or the work of others. And his obsession with being a gym bro reflects his casting and writing decisions apparently.

Just hearing Snyder talk and trying to make sense of the movie is funny as hell! He is like"This is where the thing where the thing and the thing is the thing and Batman killed all the time in Dark Knight Returns and this is where the thing is suppose to go" I'm like this guy needs a great writer to get his point across or just have very light input so the writers can work! Yes his obsession with making every hero Beefcakes,religion and his gym bro attitude with everything has be badass/edgy is ridiculous. I like Snyder but he has to know his reach as an director. It will be like Micheal Bay directing Macbeth then trying to articulate on why he changed stuff and made it more exciting. Btw a commentary with these two would be gold! I heard them both talk about their films and listen to their commentaries.These are the dude bro from every college movie you have ever seen. This is coming a fan of both of them lol

 

[TonyDiego]

Batfleck realizing Superman has/had a mother is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in cinema. He really is depicted as a dumb meathead.

No, you are dumb and you laugh at your own ignorance.
Batman acknowledged in that very scene that Superman had parents ("I bet your parenths taught you..."). He knew he had a mother.
Bruce hearing the name 'Martha' at that moment triggered his PTSD, which is a very real thing that happens at people in the real world in their daily lives long after a very traumatic incident. Look it up and learn a thing or otherwise stay ignorant.

And his obsession with being a gym bro reflects his casting and writing decisions apparently.

No, him being a lifter made sure that his superheroes were looking the way they were supposed to, after casting them perfectly.
Unlike Matt Reeves not being one and having his Batman being embarassingly skinny and weak looking.

 

[TonyDiego]

Just hearing Snyder talk and trying to make sense of the movie is funny as hell!

That's ironic coming from the guy whose comments are unreadable, lol...

 

[Gothamsknight]

It's hilarious seeing Snyder try to defend his poor writing in BVS, so I'm in agreement with KGBANE. I always see all these deep, drawn out explanations for Snyder's story choices but really it comes down to him disliking the characters motives in the comics. Him telling others to "get real" about the no kill rule is about all you need to know why Snyder isn't fit to write about these characters. BVS is an overly pretentious film that tries to be philosophical and deep, when in reality it's a one dimensional, 2 and a half hour, over the top dark CGI fest that spits in the faces of what these characters stand for. The fact that Snyder made the world's greatest detective into a moron is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Just hearing Snyder talk and trying to make sense of the movie is funny as hell! He is like"This is where the thing where the thing and the thing is the thing and Batman killed all the time in Dark Knight Returns and this is where the thing is suppose to go" I'm like this guy needs a great writer to get his point across or just have very light input so the writers can work! Yes his obsession with making every hero Beefcakes,religion and his gym bro attitude with everything has be badass/edgy is ridiculous. I like Snyder but he has to know his reach as an director. It will be like Micheal Bay directing Macbeth then trying to articulate on why he changed stuff and made it more exciting. Btw a commentary with these two would be gold! I heard them both talk about their films and listen to their commentaries.These are the dude bro from every college movie you have ever seen. This is coming a fan of both of them lol

'Michael Bay directing Macbeth' is my new favourite description of Zack Snyder movies.

That's ironic coming from the guy whose comments are unreadable, lol...

You're really, really not gonna win yourself any friends here by calling posters dumb and telling them their posts are unreadable, that's just needlessly hostile.

 

[Captain Tired]

Yeah, the best way to win friends on here is to be passive-aggressively hostile like everyone else. Not blatantly so.

 

[Rorschach2012]

BvS is better than TDKR

 

[Rorschach2012]

CW Batman concept art found on Reddit

Very ugly tbh

 

[TonyDiego]

You're really, really not gonna win yourself any friends here by calling posters dumb and telling them their posts are unreadable, that's just needlessly hostile.

I was supposed to stop coming here altogether for productivity reasons but I checked on this thread one last time and I was too ticked to not respond.

 

[Gothamsknight]

BvS is better than TDKR

I strongly disagree with that statement.

 

[Captain Tired]

I dunno about better, but I'd certainly rather watch the UE of BvS over TDKR.

 

[shauner111]

I was supposed to stop coming here altogether for productivity reasons but I checked on this thread one last time and I was too ticked to not respond.

So get lost then.

 

[craigaat]

Very ugly tbh

I don't think it looks great but I'd prefer it to the one we're getting for this film.

 

[shauner111]

No, him being a lifter made sure that his superheroes were looking the way they were supposed to, after casting them perfectly.
Unlike Matt Reeves not being one and having his Batman being embarassingly skinny and weak looking.

Momoa is fine for small roles, he’s not strong enough to carry a franchise on his back. Zack seems to cast based on appearance instead of skill set. Most of his actors in superhero roles can’t act their way out of a paper bag. But hey, you can rub oil on their muscles! Reeves looks for good actors who can play that kind of behaviour that those characters need. Then you shape them physically to fit that character if need be, but skill set is the first priority when working on a film. Snyder is so off in the head that he’ll never understand that. All he cares about is the visual. It’s jusg obnoxious and hollow.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Snyder was obsessed with afflecks chin, which is main reason I think he cast him. Matt Reeves is a far far superior writer and director than Snyder, so I'd much rather take the Pattinson suit, which is being filled by an incredible actor and in turn is being written by a man who actually gets the character. On the other hand, Snyder has never and will never understand Batman, and thats why his films crashed and burned (whether you like them or not, they did).

Besides, I didn't like the affleck suit anyway. It looked chunky, corny, and i could never take it serious. I can take TDK suit and the pattinson suit much more serious because it doesn't look ridiculous. that goes to show you that just making the suit grey doesn't mean it'll work properly.

The only good thing snyder did was casting Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, and she got to shine most in her own solo film. Poor Henry Cavill got shafted by bad writing. It's not a bad thing that Snyder has his fans, but I still can't wrap my head around how some think he's some sort of genius. His movies play like they're meant for 14 year olds and under.

 

[Captain Tired]

 

[Rorschach2012]

I like MOS and BvS a lot, but yeah I have to say I think Cavill is kind of just a bad actor. Feels like Zack cast him for aesthetic purposes. Nolan was heavily involved in the early days of MOS, I wonder who he would’ve cast as Superman.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I like MOS and BvS a lot, but yeah I have to say I think Cavill is kind of just a bad actor. Feels like Zack cast him for aesthetic purposes. Nolan was heavily involved in the early days of MOS, I wonder who he would’ve cast as Superman.

Cavill was a second choice to begin with interestingly enough. Snyder wanted Joe Manganiello but there were scheduling issues with True Blood.

He's a good, charming, old-school movie star type. The stiffness of his Superman performance has more to do with direction than anything else.

 

[shauner111]

Cavill is always stiff.

 

[TonyDiego]

I do like BvS, but I also have some major problems with it.
Although there's tons of mentally stimulating stuff if you look for them (and the movie is so cool to have them and love those elements), my issues lie in the tone department, the conception of the story, that script, the direction and some of the character decisions.
Basically, had BvS had more of the MoS tone (more inspiring in its action and heroic in its characters) and a simpler, more straightforward, more superheroic approach as a film, then it would have made a billion dollars, no doubt.
Basically a more commercial approach would have given it a hundred more million dollars in repeat viewings easily and JL would have been Snyder's still. But whatever at this point...

Momoa is fine for small roles, he’s not strong enough to carry a franchise on his back.

He currently has a billion dollar franchise that he carries in that back...

I like MOS and BvS a lot, but yeah I have to say I think Cavill is kind of just a bad actor.

Among the people that you and I belong that like MoS & BvS, we are one of the very few that think that. Cavill needs a very strong director and perharps unheroic material to shine. Although his best performance was in 'Man from U.N.C.L.E.'.

So get lost then.

I will because it's the best for me. Got too much to do and the quarantine is going to be lifting soon anyway...

 

[Thomas Wayne 92]

I don't think it looks great but I'd prefer it to the one we're getting for this film.

That was my point TBH. The gold standard remains the Snyder suit

 

[Juke Box Hero]

this thread...

 

[Rorschach2012]

Cavill was a second choice to begin with interestingly enough. Snyder wanted Joe Manganiello but there were scheduling issues with True Blood.

He's a good, charming, old-school movie star type. The stiffness of his Superman performance has more to do with direction than anything else.

Now I’ve seen him in quite a few things. It’s not down to direction...

From what I saw of The Witcher, he’s just not that good of an actor. That was a passion project for him and he wasn’t that good.
Stiff is the best word for him. Very wooden actor, bad at emoting. He should play a robot.

looks JUST like Superman though. Dead on. Too bad he’s not a better actor. I think if Cavill was a more charismatic Superman then maybe those movies would’ve fared better.

 

[KGBANE]

That's ironic coming from the guy whose comments are unreadable, lol...

I'm writing on my phone where everything slow down. There is no need to be rude or mean to me at all. We are here because we love movies and can't wait for this movie. I respect all here even if I agree with them or not.So sorry for my writing sucking and not sorry for being the bigger man here