The BATSUIT Thread

[JubJub86]

There's also the fact that's he's not just wearing Kevlar but what looks to be heavy reinforced armor. It doesn't mean he's completely bullet proof but I think it works.

I don't think anyone's arguing that steel can be thick enough to not let a bullet penetrate. Moreso just that it wouldn't matter, he's still gonna have every rib broken and be internally bleeding so bad he's pretty much jello. Impact & shock is enough, same reason it doesn't matter how awesome the stuff Iron Man's suit is made out of is, he gets hit with some tank shell and he's spaghetti in that thing.

Armor, plate or otherwise, is fair enough for a shot of two from a handgun, obviously far better having it than not. But yeah, "sprayed on full-auto by two guys from three feet away using fancy high-end submachine guns" is a little much, if we're trying to justify this at all rationally.

Which is why we shouldn't try, and just go with it.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[JubJub86]

God, every one of those shots are just great.

Does seem kinda funny with superheroes wearing their hair longer though, how they stuff it all in some form-fitting cowl. Not like Batman's exactly gonna care how his hair looks upon taking it off after a night out breaking teeth, but still.

 

[lujho]

Impact & shock is enough, same reason it doesn't matter how awesome the stuff Iron Man's suit is made out of is, he gets hit with some tank shell and he's spaghetti in that thing.

This is why I hate when Hulk jumps up to catch falling Tony in the first Avengers. That would be no better than hitting the ground, there's absolutely no vertical deceleration. Same with other superheroes catching falling people.If you were falling and Superman was flying up to catch you, you'd want your relative speeds when he finally grabs you to be almost zero - ie he'd actually be flying down as fast as you're falling. Then he'd slow you both down over a sufficient distance.Superman catching Lois in Superman The movie gets it pretty close to right.

Anyway, I don't need or want 100% realism, but it's possible to get the physics for this type of thing 75% right and still have it be entertaining

 

[JubJub86]

I mean...I don't even see how something like that Hulk thing could possibly bother anyone, considering the pure fantasy tone of the whole series. Cap's shield might as well be remote-control for god's sake.

I guess it's a fair point for people to say that since they're going so grounded/gritty with this like Nolan's it's harder to accept when there's something unrealistic like this. Doesn't bother me one iota though - it was the same there in Nolan's flicks too, nothing "realistic" about it. Just "grounded".

 

[godisawesome]

I mean...I don't even see how something like that Hulk thing could possibly bother anyone, considering the pure fantasy tone of the whole series. Cap's shield might as well be remote-control for god's sake.

I guess it's a fair point for people to say that since they're going so grounded/gritty with this like Nolan's it's harder to accept when there's something unrealistic like this. Doesn't bother me one iota though - it was the same there in Nolan's flicks too, nothing "realistic" about it. Just "grounded".

I actually think that “grounded/gritty” theme here is actually more of a stylistic juxtoposition with a more explicitly fantastic action-theme - even more so than the Nolan-films’ most blatantly fantastic elements.

The new Batsuit is designed to look even more gritty and even “home-made” compared to the one in either Begins or TDK/TDKR… but is shown tanking much more damage even though some parts of it seem explicitly less armored - his mask especially. The new Batmobile is much more mundane looking than the Tumbler, but pulls off pretty much the same stunts. And if Riddler is behind the collapsed building we see, than that’s a contrast with him ostensibly being stripped down to a Zodiac-type fo criminal.

I think Reeves is using gritty visuals to create a lower baseline for visually-derived expectations from the audience, so that the more extreme elements make a bigger impact.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Do you have a high quality version of the BTS footage Kane?

 

[Kane52630]

I currently don't, but I'm sure there's one floating around.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't think anyone's arguing that steel can be thick enough to not let a bullet penetrate. Moreso just that it wouldn't matter, he's still gonna have every rib broken and be internally bleeding so bad he's pretty much jello. Impact & shock is enough, same reason it doesn't matter how awesome the stuff Iron Man's suit is made out of is, he gets hit with some tank shell and he's spaghetti in that thing.

Armor, plate or otherwise, is fair enough for a shot of two from a handgun, obviously far better having it than not. But yeah, "sprayed on full-auto by two guys from three feet away using fancy high-end submachine guns" is a little much, if we're trying to justify this at all rationally.

Which is why we shouldn't try, and just go with it.

I'm actually more of the mindset that this is a sci fi like Wayne tech material and not some actual body armor. That way they can bend the rules and say it's impact resistant and gun fire should leave little more than bruises if hit in the right spots. Granted it's not something that I personally will be thinking about when I watch this, and I doubt we'll get an explanation. It just looks dope, and I'll take it for what it is.

 

[Enriquespy]

There is one much more simple solution: Those are actually vey weak bullets.

 

[JubJub86]

Nerf's the new fad among Gotham gangsters.

 

[The Riddler]

the suit is awesome; only thing i would change is the cowl. it needs a new streamlined material, a sharper nose, and a slightly smaller mouth cutout (i like the larger cutout, it's just a tad too wide). ideally, i would add angular white lenses, but i'm not sure we'll see that in live action for a long time. other than that, the shape of the cowl and the ears are really nice, and the rest of the suit just needs very minor refinements in a sequel.

 

[DKDetective]

the suit is awesome; only thing i would change is the cowl. it needs a new streamlined material, a sharper nose, and a slightly smaller mouth cutout (i like the larger cutout, it's just a tad too wide). ideally, i would add angular white lenses, but i'm not sure we'll see that in live action for a long time. other than that, the shape of the cowl and the ears are really nice, and the rest of the suit just needs very minor refinements in a sequel.

That's not possible due to the difference between real world physics and the comics. If you try to put the cutout edge mid-cheek like in the comics, you get weird gaping (which is why both Nolan and Snyder went for much smaller cutouts). Pattinson's cowl's mouth opening is anchored behind the jawline for the perfect snug fit while showing off Pattinson's square jaw in a manner that is evocative of the comics.

It is basically the BTAS mouth opening:

And no white lens EVER. Pattinson's eyes are much too expressive and are part of the magic here. You lose too much of the actor's expressive-ness if you hide the eyes, which is why even the MCU, which gave Spidey expressive CGI lens, still finds ways to rip off his mask for the big climactic and dramatic scenes. If we want Batman to keep his cowl on during confrontations, like in the comics and animation, lens are a no go.

 

[elgaz]

The white lenses are a thing which look great when drawn in a comic, but much less effective on the big screen in real life where eyes express so much.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I feel like there is a happy medium via lenses that can change from translucent to opaque, though. Maybe do something similar to the Arkham games where he uses Detective Mode for fight scenes, but there's too much in terms of sensory overload to justify keeping it on for dialogue scenes. You could also go far simpler, via the lenses always being translucent but turning white when light is shined directly into them.

Conventional lenses like the comics will never work, as DK said. But I do reckon you can make them work if you get creative with its implementation

 

[Gothamsknight]

I've always been indifferent about the white lenses in live action. even during TDK trilogy days, I felt like the white lenses, while cool, probably wouldn't translate well. And now, this shot right here gives me even more reasons why. You can't do this with white lenses.

 

[BatScot]

Look up ‘non Newtonian fluid armour’ if nobody else has mentioned it yet. Being able to withstand automatic rifle fire like that might not be that unbelievable.

Now that brings back memories.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

If Matt Reeves is going for realism and he will showed to us how Bruce put black makeup around his eyes then i don't see why he didn't add white lenses to make him even more indimidating.

 

[DKDetective]

If Matt Reeves is going for realism and he will showed to us how Bruce put black makeup around his eyes then i don't see why he didn't add white lenses to make him even more indimidating.

Batman isn't just about intimidation. It is about a very human hero with all the flaws and failings of the rest of us. Such contacts would cripple Pattinson's ability to emote and act through his eyes. Even though the comics draw Bats with white eyes, they use the liberties of their medium to make make those eyes and the cowl emote in a way that is not possible in live action.

In any event, the unhinged rage Pattinson has shown in action scenes and in particular his takedown of the skeleton gang is vastly more fear-inspiring and intimidating than some silly contact lens.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Batman isn't just about intimidation. It is about a very human hero with all the flaws and failings of the rest of us. Such contacts would cripple Pattinson's ability to emote and act through his eyes. Even though the comics draw Bats with white eyes, they use the liberties of their medium to make make those eyes and the cowl emote in a way that is not possible in live action.

In any event, the unhinged rage Pattinson has shown in action scenes and in particular his takedown of the skeleton gang is vastly more fear-inspiring and intimidating than some silly contact lens.

Yes, I know and i still think that white lenses would only add more to his performance, mask on half of his face also cripple his ability to emote but it's part of the character.

White contanct lenses (which can be explained not only as another way to intimidate his enemies, but also as something that protect his vision and allow him to see in darkness) are silly, but bat mask is not?

 

[BatsAndNights]

White contanct lenses (which can be explained not only as another way to intimidate his enemies, but also as something that protect his vision and allow him to see in darkness) are silly, but bat mask is not?

A bat mask on a normal person is silly

A bat mask on someone who has just beaten your friends to a bloody pulp and guaranteed a life of debt in hospital bills is terrifying

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

A bat mask on a normal person is silly

A bat mask on someone who has just beaten your friends to a bloody pulp and guaranteed a life of debt in hospital bills is terrifying

No... It isn't, Batman mask/suit just looks cool and that's it. And if we follow the rule of cool than white lenses would have only add more to that.

This edit proves that even with white lenses you can feel different emotions from the actor.

Seriously, that kind of lenses would be awesome and totally in the spirit of this new Batman, because he want to hide his identity as much as possible.

 

[BatsAndNights]

No... It isn't, Batman mask/suit just looks cool and that's it. And if we follow the rule of cool than white lenses would have only add more to that.

This edit proves that even with white lenses you can feel different emotions from the actor.

Few things

1: There's more to good costume design than "if it looks cool". 2: those are photoshops and have been edited to look perfect. They wouldn't behave the same way in motion and when reacting to lighting. 3: while sure, you can see what Affleck's feeling here, it's still a lot more muted and a lot less vivid.

I get more from this single eye shot of Battinson than I would with an entire movie of Batman with those white lenses

 

[DKDetective]

Few things

1: There's more to good costume design than "if it looks cool". 2: those are photoshops and have been edited to look perfect. They wouldn't behave the same way in motion and when reacting to lighting. 3: while sure, you can see what Affleck's feeling here, it's still a lot more muted and a lot less vivid.

I get more from this single eye shot of Battinson than I would with an entire movie of Batman with those white lenses

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ALL OF THIS!

Tom Hardy's performances in The Dark Knights Rises and Dunkirk are all the proof I need about about how vital an actor's eyes are to the expressiveness of their performances. The eyes do an amazing of making up up for any other parts of the face that are covered up by masks.

 

[CadeSkywalker28]

Few things

1: There's more to good costume design than "if it looks cool". 2: those are photoshops and have been edited to look perfect. They wouldn't behave the same way in motion and when reacting to lighting. 3: while sure, you can see what Affleck's feeling here, it's still a lot more muted and a lot less vivid.

I get more from this single eye shot of Battinson than I would with an entire movie of Batman with those white lenses

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You based your argument on this "one shot", while Batman for the most part will be seen like this in motion and darkness and white lenses would be more visible both in motion and darkness.

Besides... Battinson can emote even with lenses. Just like you said, it's about staging/framing the scene.

Actor emotes with many things, Charlie Cox give this performance and we didn't saw his eyes till the end.