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So the current rewritten script is allegedly an abomination.

Fans also didn't like the idea of Pym being old and Wasp being his daughter in Wright's version.

Let's assume that Marvel can rewrite the whole thing, give fans Pym who has more sequel potential instead of Scott Lang who really doesn't and then give us the storyline where Pym goes crazy and hatches a plot to destroy a good part of the world in order to save it.
 
So the current rewritten script is allegedly an abomination.

Fans also didn't like the idea of Pym being old and Wasp being his daughter in Wright's version.

Let's assume that Marvel can rewrite the whole thing, give fans Pym who has more sequel potential instead of Scott Lang who really doesn't and then give us the storyline where Pym goes crazy and hatches a plot to destroy a good part of the world in order to save it.

they want to hold that july 2015 date they wont rewrite
 
If they are holding to that date, they sure are not going to rewrite. But, if they decide to relinquish it, it would be fine as I would prefer they save Lang for the sequel, and have Pym and Wasp - who is not his daughter-join the Avengers. Recasting would be in order, but that would be fine, as I would like to see two of the founding members of the Avengers join the team on the silver screen (esp. since Whedon tried to insert Wasp into The Avengers.)
 
If they are holding to that date, they sure are not going to rewrite. But, if they decide to relinquish it, it would be fine as I would prefer they save Lang for the sequel, and have Pym and Wasp - who is not his daughter-join the Avengers. Recasting would be in order, but that would be fine, as I would like to see two of the founding members of the Avengers join the team on the silver screen (esp. since Whedon tried to insert Wasp into The Avengers.)


They can do a last minute rewrite. The rough draft for the first Rocky was written in less than a day. Lock somebody in a room for a month and then shoot with that because if Feige and Whedon aren't happy with what the studio head is pushing and they're producers, they can probably hold a few meetings and get a whole script rewrite at the last second arguing that Alan Horn's decisions are hurting thier brand image and just cost them a highly regarded director and see if he changes course.

That along with the concession that Pym be used in place of Lang since he's a more well known character. I'd still hold onto Rudd's contract as Lang for a sequel that would use the heist premise but I'd recast Pym with Neil Patrick Harris. This way you have a well-known lead actor, you have a better known character and then you also have more room for future plotlines.

From what I understand, Wright was only using Scott Lang since he isn't featured nearly as often as Pym and he could get away with making Lang into his own character since he's mostly a blank slate. That combined with Feige saying that Edgar Wright is the only reason they were going ahead with Ant-Man makes me think that Marvel Studios will be as committed to this as Fox was to their Daredevil reboot.
 
They need to delay the film.
 
@Dasher

I was unaware of the Rocky history; thanks for sharing that cool bit! I would be fine with Harris as Pym and the rewrite suggestions you listed.
 
So the current rewritten script is allegedly an abomination.

Fans also didn't like the idea of Pym being old and Wasp being his daughter in Wright's version.

Let's assume that Marvel can rewrite the whole thing, give fans Pym who has more sequel potential instead of Scott Lang who really doesn't and then give us the storyline where Pym goes crazy and hatches a plot to destroy a good part of the world in order to save it.

the easy answer is to change Michael Douglas's character's name to Vernon Van Dyne, and Paul Rudd's to Hank Pym. Problem solved.
 
the easy answer is to change Michael Douglas's character's name to Vernon Van Dyne, and Paul Rudd's to Hank Pym. Problem solved.


Hank is blonde. I don't want to see Paul Rudd bleached but I agree with you about Michael Douglass' role changing.

And with the storyline I suggested, Hank Pym is a scientist who's desperate to become a hero, so he creates a few robotic monstrosities to terrorize a major city just so he can save it. Things kind of go haywire and he can't shut them down which causes a number of innocent people to get hurt.

Moreover, his wife and the daughter of his mentor catches him in the act while he's having a nervous breakdown in which he completely snaps at her. I'm not sure if he has to go full Alabama Man on her but something to show that Hank really, really steps out of line.

It's the guilt that drives him over the edge along with his wife not only filing for divorce but threatening to stop Hank's machines by herself. Hank is forced to make amends for everything he's done to drive his life to ruin, starting with finding ways to destroy his own creations.

After he manages to save the day, he also reconciles with Janet, saving his marriage as well. Upon turning himself in, he finds that he gets a mysterious pardon from a government official who demands that he instead do community service in a way that's completely, "off the record" complete with a new alias called, "Yellowjacket" since the world knows Hank Pym/Ant-Man as a convicted felon who's allegedly serving time in a federal prison. The catch is that his community service sentence is thirty years of work for a group known as The Avengers.

That is how you do Ant-Man. You don't do two stories at once. You don't find a way to keep Pym off the Avengers. You don't have the woman who's usually Pym's wife be his daughter which is actually really messed up. You make a movie about redemption about somebody who starts out as being the most unlikable jerk in the world with a crazy ego problem and have him eventually become a real hero.

One consistent theme needs to be Hank's struggle with bipolar disorder. He's a hero with a disability and one that's more often associated with villains. A big part of his arc is recognizing that he has a problem and working to conquer it. Moreover, it's realizing that even though he's emotionally unstable and prone to violence, him being a jerk and his ego problems are his own fault.

The sequel would have Scott Lang be the villain who's an ex-con with a sick daughter doing jobs for the Kingpin and wants to steal Pym's original Ant-Man armor to help with heists. Pym eventually lets him have it so his daughter can live since he may disagree with a life of crime but he's not willing to allow a kid to die. After the credits, Cassie Lang is shown alive and well and Hank has sponsored her for the Avengers Academy.
 
I think folks could live with a dark haired Hank Pym.

Honestly, hair color is the least of the movie's problems.
 
I doubt the film ail be delayed .
They appear to have a version of the script that they are happy with, but, we shall see .
 
the easy answer is to change Michael Douglas's character's name to Vernon Van Dyne, and Paul Rudd's to Hank Pym. Problem solved.

Hopefully,that's the resolution they choose.If not that,then a total rewrite and push the movie back another year.Just dumping Wright and filming the same thing (more or less) he wrote,makes no sense.
 
I don't see this happening. If the reports are to be believed, the most likely scenario is a film where Michael Douglas is Hank Pym and Paul Rudd is Scott Lang, only without the Wright/Cornish script to pull it off.
 
Makes no sense to film Wright's film without him.They must've wanted to change something significant.
 
the easy answer is to change Michael Douglas's character's name to Vernon Van Dyne, and Paul Rudd's to Hank Pym. Problem solved.

Oh, geez. Fans will have a meltdown. Vernon Van Dyne creates Pym particles, becomes a secret superhero in the 60s, retires, and later a down and out highly unscientific Hank Pym comes and steals Van Dyne's work so he can save his daughter (Hankette?) ? Then together, Vernon Van Dyne, the original Ant-Man teams up with Hank Pym, Ant-Man II, to take out the bad guys. This is a 'solution' a more faithful take? Wowza.

Wowza.
 
A rewrite would either be bizarre (making Douglas's character NOT Hank Pym but otherwise Hank Pym) or would require a recast. While I suspect there are script tweaks (if the rumors are true, a script rewrite is what precipitated this), they're not going back to the drawing board if they want this thing to be released when they've announced it would be.

Also, I like the mult-generational idea. I've said before that I hope young Hank Pym is a different actor than Michael Douglas so he can be available for future use to explore the 1960s Marvel universe.
 
The rough draft of Rocky was written in one day, a rough draft is very different from a finalized script. There have to be strong themes present, recurring morals, and of course interesting dialogue.

Honestly Ant-Man isn't very mainstream and neither is Edgar Wright, what Marvel Studios has made is probably something more appealing to the general audiences than what Wright had in mind.
 
Nothing that's been suggested here would fix any of the actual problems this movie now faces. The film's director, who's worked on this film for eight years, has left the project two weeks out from filming, and the two competing rumors are that it's either because of enormous schedule slips or because higher ups ordered several script rewrites that left the thing barely readable. Whichever rumor is true, the fact of the matter is that changing Paul Rudd's character from Scott Lang to Ant-Man doesn't address the real issue, namely that as it stands the film will likely be a cluster**** of muddled artistic vision and a Frankenstein monster of a script, and odds are that the only director they'll be able to sign at two week's notice is a studio hack who will spend most of his energy just doing triage on the production. That is the problem.
 
The way I look at it, the film could go like First Class did with Bryan Singer dropping out of production for Vaughn...or it could go like Last Stand with Bryan Singer dropping out of production for Ratner
 
That may be true, But, I hope Marvel tries to salvage the film.
 
I don't understand this crazy talk of "pleasing the fans". Aren't there like nine Ant-Man fans in the entire world? If anything, there's PLENTY of room for changes. Are we seriously discussing the repercussions of changing hair color???
 
The way I look at it, the film could go like First Class did with Bryan Singer dropping out of production for Vaughn...or it could go like Last Stand with Bryan Singer dropping out of production for Ratner

First Class had a lot of problems as a film, I wouldn't put that up as a good example.
 

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