No Way Home The Big Elephant In The Room: Previous Spider-Men Returning?

[Albright]

More direct translation from his interview when asked if he was going to be involved in a future Spider-Man movie:



I'm 95% sure he was referring to the NWH rumors there.

Wouldn’t read too much into that one. Jake Gylenhaal is dubbed by the same guy like TM in my language. That hasn’t created rumors, that TM appears in FFH either...

 

[Arachnerd]

Roger Pera is Tobey Maguire's dub actor in Spain, not Latin America. It's not the same person.

It is a common misconception though.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Hope Sony has more humour than MArvel, when you remember what happened to the guy dubbing Evan Peters

I think Evan Peters was worse because the voice actor actually confirmed who he was dubbing.

Spoiler

I think he explicitly said he was dubbing Quicksilver

 

[Arachnerd]

Courtesy of Reddit user meteredpast who I had wrongly criticized beforehand.

So the Roger Pera interview was reuploaded with that Spider-Man part cut out and all of this happened after. Not sure if the host is trying to clear up a misunderstanding or attempting to do damage control, but either way, I'm very perplexed here.

 

[mclay18]

More rumors about Sony wanting to reunite Maguire and Raimi on a Spider-Man 4.

How credible is Giant Freakin Robot, in terms of salt pinching?

 

[Arachnerd]

I've never heard of them. That being said, I don't see Spider-Man 4 being realistically feasible. It's not just not possible.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Giant Freakin Robot has zero credibility.

They're always posting clickbait stories of past properties making a comeback.

Last week, they reported Smallville was coming back. This week it's Spider-Man 4.

 

[Nardz937]

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah.. there's no way Sony pursues a Spider-Man 4.

Next they'll be telling us WB is interested in developing a sequel to Halle Berry's Catwoman.

 

[Nardz937]

A full-fledged Spider-Man 4 is a long-shot, but I think it's very possible that after NWH we'll get more movies with stories set in their respective universes. A Miles Morales movie with Tobey in the mentor role taking place in the Raimiverse for example.

 

[Arachnerd]

Eh, I don't know...

I'd honestly be perfectly fine with NWH serving as a proper swan song for both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield in the role. But that would require some significant screentime which, even if they end up being in the movie I don't think they'll have.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Thing is nothing has changed since 2007. some will assume since Marvel is working with Raimi and that Toby might appear in SM3 that this would make Sony interesting in making SM4. thing is though they have always had that option. for years they have had that option. and i don't think any of this will change their reasoning for not doing SM4 in the first place. well unless there was something more future rewarding about it. basically a way for Sony to make more budget-friendly movies. but with Toby Mcguire he would probably want RDJ money. which no matter what. probably won't be attractive to Sony. i mean they currently have Holland making them cash they want and at the moment, within the current deal, he is probably being paid peanuts in comparison.

I don't think Sony would make a SM4 just for the sake of making an SM4. if there is no future plans for how they can continue to make money... they won't do it.

I mean maybe they have plans ahead for their own spiderverse. as into the spiderverse was successful and if this film is successful it could make sony want to play more in that ballpark. who knows. again i am kinda convinced there will be more spider-men involved in SM3.

 

[Schlosser85]

Thing is nothing has changed since 2007. some will assume since Marvel is working with Raimi and that Toby might appear in SM3 that this would make Sony interesting in making SM4. thing is though they have always had that option. for years they have had that option. and i don't think any of this will change their reasoning for not doing SM4 in the first place. well unless there was something more future rewarding about it. basically a way for Sony to make more budget-friendly movies. but with Toby Mcguire he would probably want RDJ money. which no matter what. probably won't be attractive to Sony. i mean they currently have Holland making them cash they want and at the moment, within the current deal, he is probably being paid peanuts in comparison.

I don't think Sony would make a SM4 just for the sake of making an SM4. if there is no future plans for how they can continue to make money... they won't do it.

I mean maybe they have plans ahead for their own spiderverse. as into the spiderverse was successful and if this film is successful it could make sony want to play more in that ballpark. who knows. again i am kinda convinced there will be more spider-men involved in SM3.

Tom Holland got paid a base salary of $500,000 for Homecoming which ended up being $1.5 million with bonuses.

So considering he’s the headliner of a major Marvel franchise that’s cracked the billion mark, he’s comparatively not swimming in loot by superhero actor standards, certainly a drop in the bucket compared to RDJ who IIRC got paid $60 million to come back for one movie, or Chris Evans who IIRC got $30 million. Salary-wise, he’s near the bottom of the totem pole of the Marvel stars. And no way would Maguire settle for a payday like that, he wanted a monster paycheck to come back for Spider-Man 4.

 

[Frodo]

While, I think SM4 is unlikely, I do think we have to keep in mind that the only reason the Raimiverse was rebooted was because Raimi and Tobey walked not because Sony pulled the plug on them.

As much as SM3 was derided , the film was a big hit at the box office ,and Sony fully intended on making a sequel. Despite what alot of fans today may think , SM3 didn't cause Sony to reboot the series.

Sony was ready willing and able to move forward with SM4 , even with a mediocre script, but it was Raimi and Maguire who walked . That's why we got Andrew Garfield.

And the Sony hack revealed as far back as post ASM 2, they wanted Raimi to come back.

So it's not as if Sony is bitter with Raimi. If anything, they've always wanted him to come back in one form or another.

It's been Raimi who's rejected them, not the other way around.

All that is to say, I don't dismiss the idea that Sony, in dependent of Feige and co, would want Maguire and Raimi back for another Spiderman film.

But hopes and desires are different from plausibility and practicality. Studio execs hope and desire for alot of things that don't end up happening.

 

[Nardz937]

Eh. Sony forced Sam's hand really. They gave him unrealistic deadlines and intentionally made things so hard for him that he'd essentially have to quit. They were planning reboot at the same time Spider-Man 4 was still technically in development. When Raimi learned this he knew the project wasn't worth investing his time & effort in if he didn't have the studios full support.

Now Raimi has said himself the break-up was "undramatic" and I'm sure they'd all love working together on Spidey again. As evident from the e-mail leaks and Avi Arad openly inviting Sam back to the series a couple years ago.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There would be very little in it for Sony to make a SM4. when it comes to cost and future potential.

Sony will always hope for future potential in all their projects. being able to make sequels is likely an attractive investment. not just 1 movie worth. but then of course Toby is not an new actor. neither does he seem like a big spidey fan. his come back would basically get a large paycheque and probably back pay on ticket sales like he did with SM3. and Raimi in general didn't have a very easy time making spider-man movies even when he was making them.

Where Sony is at the moment, they ain't in a desperate place.

 

[Frodo]

Eh. Sony forced Sam's hand really. They gave him unrealistic deadlines and intentionally made things so hard for him that he'd essentially have to quit. They were planning reboot at the same time Spider-Man 4 was still technically in development. When Raimi learned this he knew the project wasn't worth investing his time & effort in if he didn't have the studios full support.

Now Raimi has said himself the break-up was "undramatic" and I'm sure they'd all love working together on Spidey again. As evident from the e-mail leaks and Avi Arad openly inviting Sam back to the series a couple years ago.

Sony forced his hands in the sense that Raimi himself didn't feel the script was strong and his heart wasn't in it.

Other than that, I don't think they gave him unrealistic deadlines to make him quit. They wanted to get the film going regardless, since by the time he walked away , it'd been 4 years since SM3, and Raimi didn't feel comfortable moving forward based on the SM4 script.

They needed another film to get made as a way of holding onto the rights from what I recall.

So it wasn't as if they were doing things to push Raimi out the door, from their perspective.

Now of course, in Sony fashion, it backfired and ended making Raimi want to go. But ultimately, the preference was for a Spiderman 4 at that point, not a reboot.

As far as the "reboot script " goes, it was actually two scripts for two films which were new storylines for a potential 5 and 6, which were written in such a way that they could serve as a soft reboot if necessary.

I think it became a hard reboot once Raimi and Maguire left.

 

[Nardz937]

Sony forced his hands in the sense that Raimi himself didn't feel the script was strong and his heart wasn't in it.

Other than that, I don't think they gave him unrealistic deadlines to make him quit. They wanted to get the film going regardless, since by the time he walked away , it'd been 4 years since SM3, and Raimi didn't feel comfortable moving forward based on the SM4 script.

They needed another film to get made as a way of holding onto the rights from what I recall.

So it wasn't as if they were doing things to push Raimi out the door, from their perspective.

Now of course, in Sony fashion, it backfired and ended making Raimi want to go. But ultimately, the preference was for a Spiderman 4 at that point, not a reboot.

As far as the "reboot script " goes, it was actually two scripts for two films which were new storylines for a potential 5 and 6, which were written in such a way that they could serve as a soft reboot if necessary.

I think it became a hard reboot once Raimi and Maguire left.

Sony was adamant on the May 6, 2011 release date for Spider-Man 4. But then gave Amazing Spider-Man a July 2012 release date. Why couldn't they have given Raimi that date and extra time? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Spidey_62]

Sony was adamant on the May 6, 2011 release date for Spider-Man 4. But then gave Amazing Spider-Man a July 2012 release date. Why couldn't they have given Raimi that date and extra time? It doesn't make sense to me.

That's the same thing I always wondered lmao. They needed a Spidey movie behind the camera by 5 years, but they coulda just gave Raimi the extra year anyway. I guess it just comes down to Raimi wasn't feeling it so he didn't wanna force it as much as he woulda liked to have made it. I feel like Maguire was a package deal with Raimi, wouldn't wanna work on a SM4 without him, plus he's expensive. Come to think of it, I think those answer that lol.

 

[Arachnerd]

In tonight's installment of No Way Home's Will-They-Won't-They.

 

[Schlosser85]

That’s a shady reply.

 

[Arachnerd]

Alfred Molina Details Doc Ock's Return in 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' - Variety

I think Alfred Molina just indirectly confirmed in this interview that you-know-who are featuring in this movie.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I told you not to close this thread.

 

[Arachnerd]

To be fair, Ralph Bohner shook me to my core back then with how insulting it was.

 

[marvelboy10]

Eh, I don't know...

I'd honestly be perfectly fine with NWH serving as a proper swan song for both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield in the role. But that would require some significant screentime which, even if they end up being in the movie I don't think they'll have.

I'm 99% sure Tobey Maguire will be the co-star in dr strange multiverse of madness and they will reveal it this summer during a marvel panel at the end of a trailer for example. I know they finished the filming this week but we doesn't even know who the villain will be.

I also think dr strange 2 is the best way to bring him back. Think about it : a film about the multiverse, directed by Sam Raimi and composed by Danny Elfman, just after a movie who brings back Dr octopus/alfred molina and while dc bring back Keaton ? They would be crazy to pass up this unique opportunity. I don't think that's a good idea to see Tobey returns during no way home simply because Jon Watts is not that good. But if Raimi is back for dr strange 2, with Danny Elfman and multiverse stuff ? I'm totally sure that's what will happened.