The body image thread and the problems that may result

[Thundercrack85]

Being overweight is not that big of a problem when it comes to physical health. Recent studies have found that being mildly overweight isn't detrimental to your overall health.

Obviously being morbidly obese is a serious health issue. But most humans aren't that, or what you would call "fit".

As for humans and their body image, that's more of a society thing than a biological issues.

If your culture taught you being fat was beautiful from birth, everyone here would be into chubby chicks.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

Those who disagree with other's methods... you have to realize that while we are all biologically the same, your body reacts differently to stimuli than his, than hers, than mine. Basically, if it works and you are not doing it in an unhealthy way, then do what works.

This.

There is more than one way to skin a cat as they say.

Some people get into great shape eating 6 small meals a day, others just once.

If something IS working for someone more power to them.

At the same time, if something is not working, or seems to be making an activity into more work than the benefit, then its a good idea to actually do research on a subject, question what we believe we know and be willing to question old paradigms.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Frankly, looking around all I really notice is I've only seen three people in my home town who I would call overweight or they just don't catch my eye because frankly, I could care less. Then mostly just different body types. This guy looks rather small in stature, like I could pick him up. Another is tall with thin shoulders. A couple average. And others kind of with the Emile Hirsch look of shorter than average in some comparisons, but obviously tight. I'm in a NY suburb though...

Knows, do you live in an orange state? Could be why you're seeing a lot more. But that percentage seems about right to me.

Also, jw, does this map tell us anything other than percentages? What could it be about those middle states that's causing this image? I don't want to sound statist, but aren't the middle states the poorest?

 

[Anita18]

Being overweight is not that big of a problem when it comes to physical health. Recent studies have found that being mildly overweight isn't detrimental to your overall health.

Obviously being morbidly obese is a serious health issue. But most humans aren't that, or what you would call "fit".

As for humans and their body image, that's more of a society thing than a biological issues.

If your culture taught you being fat was beautiful from birth, everyone here would be into chubby chicks.

Right. I've actually read that it's better to be mildly overweight when you're older. More weight on your bones means more bone strength. My grandmother was underweight (always had been), broke her hip and never walked again. She spent the last year of her life bedridden. It was terrible. My mother has already developed osteoporosis, and she wasn't even 55 when diagnosed. So anyone who tells me I'm lucky to be so naturally skinny needs a good slappy reality check.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Perhaps you could go into specifics from you own personal experience of it to inform people on the risks involved with it and what you went through because of it. Offering as much two-sided information as possible.

My heart rate and sugar levels dropped dangerously low, I was beginning to lose consciousness, I found it difficult to move and I was barley responsive. There was a point, when in hospital, when they were incredibly worried, because my heart rate went even lower at night.

 

[dark_b]

maybe it would be good that we give some links and type some information what is healthy food and how to calculate your calories?

i would start with there is no bad fat. there is no unhalthy fat. i mean fat that is inside food and not fat that you get when cooking a meal.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I figured out today I know 40 anorexics...

 

[knowsbleed]

Uhh... that's not good? (don't know what to say to that)


Thought you guys would like to check out this link. If anybody would like to emulate a lifestyle, one could do worse than emulating one of these...

7 Countries With the Healthiest People

 

[SuperMike335!!]

I think a more important question to as, is "What do you define a Body Image Problem as?"

Is it a form of Dysmorphia where someone’s self assessment is delusional or out of touch with what others see?

This could be a Woman with a BMI of only 20 who thinks she needs to be thinner, OR a Male bodybuilder who’s muscles are grotesquely massive, and yet who thinks he needs even more. – This just in order to look like what they think would be good.

Yet they never reach their goal, they always need to go yet another step further, never drawing the line anywhere, because they have an unrealistic self perception.

The grotesque muscular freak still thinks he is puny, and the rail thin girl thinks she is still obese. This would easily be Dysmorphia – and certainly would be a BIP.

I’ve seen a examples the other way too. I know someone who has about 35% to 40% bodyfat, and yet thinks he is incredible shape. Just needs to take blood pressure pills, and has a few physical other problems, but it "runs in his family". He is in denial that he is suffering from obesity.

Can we really define anyone who works out or changes the way they eat in order to improve the way they look as someone suffering from a BIP?

Where do we draw the line? If a woman puts on make-up, or if I get highlights in my hair, is it because we think we are ugly?

Or is it reasonable to want to look our best – so long as we are not out of touch with what we actually look like?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

People just have to understand that models, actors and fitness professionals rarely walk around at what they photograph at.

Anytime I've done a shoot, there's been a month or so of prep work usually. Same thing for girls.

Also many models don't look as good as they photograph. Some look downright weird and, dare I say, ugly in person.

That's all smoke and mirrors. Some are not even healthy. Some models use cocaine to keep themselves thin all the time. Health is something only your doctor can tell you about. And being healthy or being fit, or even being a pro-level athlete doesn't necessarily mean you'll have the body of an Adonis.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Women really do try too hard. It should be telling that since we started out as a species, birth rates have never gone down.

Doesn't matter how plague-ridden, or unbathed women are, men will find them attractive.

 

[chamber-music]

When Jamie Oliver tried to offer kids healthy food options in schools in the UK and U.S he got some huge backlash which I found surprising. You would think most parents would want their children to eat healthy.

People just have to understand that models, actors and fitness professionals rarely walk around at what they photograph at.

Anytime I've done a shoot, there's been a month or so of prep work usually. Same thing for girls.

Also many models don't look as good as they photograph. Some look downright weird and, dare I say, ugly in person.

That's all smoke and mirrors. Some are not even healthy. Some models use cocaine to keep themselves thin all the time. Health is something only your doctor can tell you about. And being healthy or being fit, or even being a pro-level athlete doesn't necessarily mean you'll have the body of an Adonis.

Yep. Your spot on.

There are models who have talked stories about toliets backstage at catwalk shows covered in defecation from girls taking laxatives to lose weight.

Most actresses, models, popstars, ect are you wouldn't look twice at if they were walking down the street.

You could take many average looking non-famous girls give them a stylist, make-up artist, personal trainer and make them look more attractive.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

When Jamie Oliver tried to offer kids healthy food options in schools in the UK and U.S he got some huge backlash which I found surprising. You would think most parents would want their children to eat healthy.

Quite frankly, I find most parents simply feed their kids what's "normal" for them even if it isn't healthy.

Yep. Your spot on.

There are models who have talked stories about toliets backstage at catwalk shows covered in defecation from girls taking laxatives to lose weight.

Yeah, before Bodybuilding shows many Bodybuilders take laxatives and stuff...and then obviously the steroids. I've done that. Certainly things can't be done naturally although I'm sure they're going to find a cheaper, more safe version of HGH and or steroids some time soon.

Most actresses, models, popstars, ect are you wouldn't look twice at if they were walking down the street.

You could take many average looking non-famous girls give them a stylist, make-up artist, personal trainer and make them look more attractive.

Yeah. Especially with actress and actors; they tend to be petite and that's about it. I hear Brad Pitt weighs about 150 most of the time, and he's 6'1", or something.

You look fat on camera. You really do. Cameras naturally flatten you out a bit.

Also, if your onscreen you look huge, because the screen is huge.

I'm 6'1" and probably in the low 180s, sometimes 190, and I'd probably get stuck with roles like Thor if I were in movies. Look a Hemsworth. He really isn't that big. In fact if you see him in candids, or just normal photos you can see the trainers really fixated on his arms and upper chest, because certainly muscles don't look right being all bulky on camera. Also, it's mostly trickery. As Tom Hardy said, Bane was fat and trickery, and honestly, when you look and certain stills, he wasn't lying. Plus, they still strive to look thin in clothes, because again, the camera and the screen.

Tom Hardy was always pretty buff as far as actors go. Look at him here. You can see his gut being restrained by his clothes, but how it still protrudes out. So they cleverly cover it with an oversized belt for the shirtless scene.

Just looks like a fat stoner in the above picture...transformed by movie magic into.

Costume, lighting, I'm sure he's wearing lifts here too...all goes towards making him appear larger, more cut, more defined, and I guarantee this is all shot post-workout too. Dumbells probably ten feet from him during the filming of this scene.


A true bodybuilder, someone like Ronnie Coleman would just look downright fat hoobling around in a movie.

 

[Anita18]

I figured out today I know 40 anorexics...

I live in Los Angeles and I don't think I know even 3 anorexics. But I hang with groups of health-conscious (not weight-conscious) people.

Women really do try too hard. It should be telling that since we started out as a species, birth rates have never gone down.

Doesn't matter how plague-ridden, or unbathed women are, men will find them attractive.

Most of the preening women do (I mean anything beyond basic grooming) is not to attract men, but to seek the approval of other women. It's sad, but it's true.

I mean, when you're a teenager, you're emotionally stupid so you think all men want a Megan Fox type, or that all women want a Channing Tatum type, but most beauty products are not made for teenagers.

When Jamie Oliver tried to offer kids healthy food options in schools in the UK and U.S he got some huge backlash which I found surprising. You would think most parents would want their children to eat healthy.

It's the superiority complex thing I was referring to. "How dare this guy come in and think he knows what's best for us!" It's pushback for a kind of colonialism, if you will.

I also know someone whose school was featured, and they over-dramatized it, of course.

 

[grout]

Quite frankly, I find most parents simply feed their kids what's "normal" for them even if it isn't healthy.
Yeah, before Bodybuilding shows many Bodybuilders take laxatives and stuff...and then obviously the steroids. I've done that. Certainly things can't be done naturally although I'm sure they're going to find a cheaper, more safe version of HGH and or steroids some time soon.
Yeah. Especially with actress and actors; they tend to be petite and that's about it. I hear Brad Pitt weighs about 150 most of the time, and he's 6'1", or something.

You look fat on camera. You really do. Cameras naturally flatten you out a bit.

Also, if your onscreen you look huge, because the screen is huge.

I'm 6'1" and probably in the low 180s, sometimes 190, and I'd probably get stuck with roles like Thor if I were in movies. Look a Hemsworth. He really isn't that big. In fact if you see him in candids, or just normal photos you can see the trainers really fixated on his arms and upper chest, because certainly muscles don't look right being all bulky on camera. Also, it's mostly trickery. As Tom Hardy said, Bane was fat and trickery, and honestly, when you look and certain stills, he wasn't lying. Plus, they still strive to look thin in clothes, because again, the camera and the screen.

Tom Hardy was always pretty buff as far as actors go. Look at him here. You can see his gut being restrained by his clothes, but how it still protrudes out. So they cleverly cover it with an oversized belt for the shirtless scene.

Just looks like a fat stoner in the above picture...transformed by movie magic into.

Costume, lighting, I'm sure he's wearing lifts here too...all goes towards making him appear larger, more cut, more defined, and I guarantee this is all shot post-workout too. Dumbells probably ten feet from him during the filming of this scene.


A true bodybuilder, someone like Ronnie Coleman would just look downright fat hoobling around in a movie.

Im about your size...6'1 185 to 190lbs just depends... hemsworth got up to be around 220 but he is 6'5 I think.. Bale for BB is our height and I think he got to 195lbs. really depends on frame type to be honest.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

Quite frankly, I find most parents simply feed their kids what's "normal" for them even if it isn't healthy.
Yeah, before Bodybuilding shows many Bodybuilders take laxatives and stuff...and then obviously the steroids. I've done that. Certainly things can't be done naturally although I'm sure they're going to find a cheaper, more safe version of HGH and or steroids some time soon.
Yeah. Especially with actress and actors; they tend to be petite and that's about it. I hear Brad Pitt weighs about 150 most of the time, and he's 6'1", or something.

You look fat on camera. You really do. Cameras naturally flatten you out a bit.

Also, if your onscreen you look huge, because the screen is huge.

I'm 6'1" and probably in the low 180s, sometimes 190, and I'd probably get stuck with roles like Thor if I were in movies. Look a Hemsworth. He really isn't that big. In fact if you see him in candids, or just normal photos you can see the trainers really fixated on his arms and upper chest, because certainly muscles don't look right being all bulky on camera. Also, it's mostly trickery. As Tom Hardy said, Bane was fat and trickery, and honestly, when you look and certain stills, he wasn't lying. Plus, they still strive to look thin in clothes, because again, the camera and the screen.

Tom Hardy was always pretty buff as far as actors go. Look at him here. You can see his gut being restrained by his clothes, but how it still protrudes out. So they cleverly cover it with an oversized belt for the shirtless scene.

Just looks like a fat stoner in the above picture...transformed by movie magic into.

Costume, lighting, I'm sure he's wearing lifts here too...all goes towards making him appear larger, more cut, more defined, and I guarantee this is all shot post-workout too. Dumbells probably ten feet from him during the filming of this scene.


A true bodybuilder, someone like Ronnie Coleman would just look downright fat hoobling around in a movie.

Holy Bacne on Hardy Batman!

If you notice the few bodybuilders who have gotten into movies actually had to LOSE mass on purpose to look right on screen.

Arnold Schwarzenegger lost over 20 pounds after Pumping Iron was filmed. Compare what he looked like then to the movies he was in late 1980's and early 1990's, and its a big difference. - he would not have looked right had he stayed as big as his old contest size.

 

[SuperMike335!!]

Adding to the theme of Actors not looking as good as you would think they do based on the final product, considering lighting, favorable camera angles etc...

I mentioned Arnold Schwarzenegger earlier. We have all seen the opening scene of Terminator 2, the bar scene, and we all assumed he was in amazing shape, with gigantic ripped muscles.

Here is what then 44 year old Arnold really looked like in behind the scenes pictures.

Good shape for a guy his age, for sure, but NOT anything close to the perception we have of him on screen in the final version of the film.

 

[EML420]

At first glance I thought the second pic of Arnie was from T3 wow I wonder if actors seeing them selfs looking. All good in movies and what not messes with them like do they realize they dont look totally like that¿

 

[Thundercrack85]

When Jamie Oliver tried to offer kids healthy food options in schools in the UK and U.S he got some huge backlash which I found surprising. You would think most parents would want their children to eat healthy.

Most parents are morons, by extension of most humans being morons.

But there are a few key reasons there is so much resistance / lack of support. 1, healthy food costs more, which means taxes go up, and no one wants to actually pay for anything. 2, when you switch to healthy food, you're costing someone something (the people who peddle the junk food). And third, there's the kids. Most couldn't care less about their diet. And as they've found out with the Obama diet, most kids hate healthy food.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I think we should just stop aiming for perfection and start being healthy. We're too fat, too thin, and too fitness obsessed.

 

[knowsbleed]

Too fitness obsessed? How is that a bad thing?

 

[Anita18]

Too fitness obsessed? How is that a bad thing?

I presume when it becomes almost religious for someone and that anyone who doesn't subscribe to their fitness philosophy is doing it wrong.

 

[Hawkingbird]

When it takes over their life, and their health becomes at risk.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I presume when it becomes almost religious for someone and that anyone who doesn't subscribe to their fitness philosophy is doing it wrong.

I'm religious about it, but have no desire to show anybody else the "error of their ways"

 

[Piper Maru]

I'm religious about it, but have no desire to show anybody else to "error of their ways"

I wish my fitness obsessed co-workers shared your attitude.