BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

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Loving all these positive reactions. This cut is just better all around but again, for me at least, I still marvel at the theatrical because no matter the cut, came to the same conclusions and interpretations by film's end.
 
MoS is a masterpiece, I have no idea how MoS in any way is considered devisive when it's the only way you can tell Superman's introduction to the world. A near flawless movie.

BvS TC was a really smart way to move the universe forward by providing Superman an arc that pushes him to choose Superman, an origin for Lex, and a Batman that is inspired by Superman to be better, and to do something bigger than his own patch of turf. It was a worthy follow-up.

But f*** me, the UC is so good. I mean, amazingly good.

MoS is still king, but goddam BvS UC is so good. Snyder understands these characters better than 99% of fan boys, for that I am convinced.
 
You really need to stop with this kind of crap.

He's right though but there's no convincing someone on this particular forum of that.

Unrelated to your post but wanted to touch on this bit while I'm at it. It still baffles and frustrates me beyond belief that there's still some people on here who did NOT see the movie based on the internet bashing it got. Yet they will spend all their time reading and posting about it on the forum. People are really that sheep that they can't make up their own minds and have to be spoonfed what to like and what to hate. It's goddamn pathetic! Be your own person for crying out loud. If you want to have an opinion, go check it out and then talk about it. Never got those who trash something they haven't seen, just to be part of the collective group. What is this high school? /rant
 
Wally says the F word as well. And the Death of Superman is more graphic.

That doesn't sound terribly dissimilar from the last two X-Men films, both of which were rated PG-13. In DoFP, various characters (e.g., Sunspot, Colossus) are decapitated by sentinels, and there's one nude scene; in Apocalypse, Magneto drops the F-bomb and Wolverine goes full berserker in surprisingly gory fashion.
 
I already think The TC is a masterpiece and I really want to get the EC but I just hate Blurays personally and I don't know why it's not in DVD.

Are the additions really that significant even if you get what Snyder was trying to do in the TC in the first place??
 
I already think The TC is a masterpiece and I really want to get the EC but I just hate Blurays personally and I don't know why it's not in DVD.

Are the additions really that significant even if you get what Snyder was trying to do in the TC in the first place??

Yes. Really is a complete film so to say IMO.

Just get the Digital HD download from iTunes....
 
The UC extends upon things, places a couple of scenes in a better order, and basically kicks ass. Watch it if you can.
 
I already think The TC is a masterpiece and I really want to get the EC but I just hate Blurays personally and I don't know why it's not in DVD.

Are the additions really that significant even if you get what Snyder was trying to do in the TC in the first place??

Yes, not only does the added dialogue help to better articulate the film's weighty themes, it also serves to flesh out various characters and their motivations. Even something as simple as a brief conversation with a young woman at the GCPD gives you a better understanding as to why Superman takes a more direct approach with Batman. (It's not perfect, but it's something.) The Nairobi plot plays out quite differently; Luthor's machinations run deeper; Clark is an actual character -- all this and more.
 
The UC extends upon things, places a couple of scenes in a better order, and basically kicks ass. Watch it if you can.

Perry White's light jabs at Clark provide some much needed levity as well.
 
Man, the UC strengthens all the key areas of the film. Lois as the investigative reporter. Lex as the manipulative string puller. Clark unwilling to let his Batman story go. It's great stuff, and THE version of the film as far as I am concerned.

Yes, not only does the added dialogue help to better articulate the film's weighty themes, it also serves to flesh out various characters and their motivations. Even something as simple as a brief conversation with a young woman at the GCPD gives you a better understanding as to why Superman takes a more direct approach with Batman. (It's not perfect, but it's something.) The Nairobi plot plays out quite differently; Luthor's machinations run deeper; Clark is an actual character -- all this and more.

The Africa scenes and the Clark in Gotham scenes are great. They do clear up motivations. Lex's "puppet master" schemes are stronger and that only makes him more formidable as a villain.

It was great to have Clark interact with people in Gotham firsthand to see why he comes to mistrust the Batman. Just to see life in Gotham, and Clark at work. It really gave Clark -and Henry Cavill - so much more personality and character. And seeing Clark interact with Perry White and the Daily Planet brought Superman's world more to life.

It was great seeing Clark and Lois hard at work as investigative journalists- that's what I was looking forward to seeing since MOS ended and when I thought the MOS sequel was next.

I really liked the Africa scenes fleshed out. I didn't care for it at all in the Theatrical Cut but here it plays out as an engaging drama, even the stuff with Jimmy Olsen. More "real world" and relevant, including the stuff with Superman and the drone.

The Theatrical Cut did feel like it sacrificed a lot to make it more multiplex-friendly. But the movie was not a light popcorn flick, so that's why trying to make and market it as such didn't really work well. The Ultimate Edition is still long and serious, but the serious story it is telling needed the time to unfold because it had to explain a lot.

That being said, it is still a bit sadistic seeing Batman beat up on Superman. But it is still thrilling to see Wonder Woman's intro and cool to see stuff like Batman throw a batarang. Superman may have not been given as much of a chance to shine in that way, he was burdened with the heavier storyline.
 
There's a risk of overhyping the UC.
 
UC is better than the TC, but ffs, it's 3 hours long. It's a 3 hours Batman/Superman movie. Some stuff is much better than the TC (UC elucidates the whole Africe situation), but the heart of the movie stays the same: it's cynical as ****. It's boring. There's no sense of awe or wonder on this thing (except maybe for WW's appearance).
 
The Africa scenes and the Clark in Gotham scenes are great. They do clear up motivations. Lex's "puppet master" schemes are stronger and that only makes him more formidable as a villain.

It was great to have Clark interact with people in Gotham firsthand to see why he comes to mistrust the Batman. Just to see life in Gotham, and Clark at work. It really gave Clark -and Henry Cavill - so much more personality and character. And seeing Clark interact with Perry White and the Daily Planet brought Superman's world more to life.

It was great seeing Clark and Lois hard at work as investigative journalists- that's what I was looking forward to seeing since MOS ended and when I thought the MOS sequel was next.

I really liked the Africa scenes fleshed out. I didn't care for it at all in the Theatrical Cut but here it plays out as an engaging drama, even the stuff with Jimmy Olsen. More "real world" and relevant, including the stuff with Superman and the drone.

The Theatrical Cut did feel like it sacrificed a lot to make it more multiplex-friendly. But the movie was not a light popcorn flick, so that's why trying to make and market it as such didn't really work well. The Ultimate Edition is still long and serious, but the serious story it is telling needed the time to unfold because it had to explain a lot.

That being said, it is still a bit sadistic seeing Batman beat up on Superman. But it is still thrilling to see Wonder Woman's intro and cool to see stuff like Batman throw a batarang. Superman may have not been given as much of a chance to shine in that way, he was burdened with the heavier storyline.


Yep. I agree w/ all of this.
 
More thoughts and things that are really sticking out(things I didn't mention in previous posts) as to why I prefer the cut, so much more...

- The Library party scene is miles better, in this cut. The driving force of it is and should be Bruce and Clark Interacting/Bruce getting data of off Lex's Servers/Diana being mysterious. Lex's is speech is supposed to be aimless rambling, we're not supposed to hear most of it, as we're supposed to be focusing on what the other characters are doing. Somehow, inexplicably, the theatrical cut focuses on Lex's Speech, in a way that fixates us on it and leaves us puzzled. The Ultimate cut reverses the issue and cuts straight to Bruce on his mission right after Lex gets on stage. The only time we focus back on Lex dialogue is during the better parts of that speech, when we're being shown that Lex is so in his head, it's making him nuts..."Knowledge and Power are paradoxical..etc.". Overall the focus on the heroes gives the scene momentum and energy. I love those shoes, now I really love this scene.

- When I compare the theatrical cut to Man of Steel it felt like Lois and Clark had more chemistry in that movie, then they did in this one. It's pretty obvious, so many of the scenes with Lois and Clark together got cut out, or truncated. In the ultimate cut,The bath-tub scene obviously has more room to breathe, and we just have more Lois and Clark/Superman engaged in each others lives and caring for one another. So you're going to feel more dread when Superman makes his sacrifice. Essentially, they seem to have a stronger relationship, in this cut, which allows us to be more invested in them as characters.

- Senator Finch. Holly Hunter is phenomenal actress and the fact that she played this character so straight and seriously, gave the character and the film, a whole lot of credibility. Usually, great academy award calibre actors phone in their performance or ham it up, in superhero films. Her performance is so powerful that it would makes you believe the Superman is a real force, in our world. When she was talking to Charlie Rose about Superman, she was as serious as a heart attack. However, in the theatrical cut she kind of has a one-track mind, to the point of being grating, and then get's blown up. It's like she's not giving Lex what he wants, but she's continuously going after Superman. In the ultimate cut, there are story changes that make her a far more sympathetic, on-the-verge-of-being-heroic, character. Then when Lex blows her up, it's a bit more tragic because she was going to essentially vindicate Superman and have her "Day of Truth".

- Superman is being mopier than expected and annoying on Lois' balcony. That was my first thought watching the thatrical cut, for the first time. Why is he diappearing off to the mountains, now? Had I seen the scene, where Superman sees dead bodies lined up and zipped into body bags, I'd have been far more understanding. The capital aftermath is really a horrific scene that Superman stuck around for and saved people in(great shot of Superman landing with a woman, in his arms). I can now see why Superman is so disturbed by it all and questioning the point of being Superman is. Black Zero event, Nairomi, and now Capital explosion...even if he's not directly responsible for these events, he's around them and being associated with them. I appreciate and understand his inner conflict more than ever here...

Jon Stewart. I'm a fan and glad that him as the Daily Show host is a touch point of this film, as I'll be revisting it quite a bit. Also, unlike other media heads talking about Superman like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Andrew Sullivan...Jon Stewart talks about how Superman essentially said he is going to be representing the world and not just the United States. This was a story point in a David Goyer penned Superman comic, where he renounces his US citizenship. Kind of makes me think there may have been a scene of Superman addressing the press and making this proclamation. Perhaps, it was in the 4-hour cut ;)

One other thing I forgot to mention. One of the complaints of the TC was the editing. To me the worst of example of this was Bruce Going the grave, Waking up from his nightmare at his lake house, bunch of other random scenes, then back to the lake house for the converstation with Alfred about the party. It was so jarring to me that we cut away from the lake house so quick after just getting into that scene, only to end up back there 3-4 minutes later. The UC fixes this and stays at lake house after he wakes up, from his nightmare. Many will think this is a minor change, but it really bothered me and I was super-glad to see it fixed, in the UC.
 
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Superman may have not been given as much of a chance to shine in that way, he was burdened with the heavier storyline.

Right on the money. If Superman was skipping around with a smile on his face, after all the character went through in this film, he'd be straight-up pathalogical and insane.
 
UC is better than the TC, but ffs, it's 3 hours long. It's a 3 hours Batman/Superman movie. Some stuff is much better than the TC (UC elucidates the whole Africe situation), but the heart of the movie stays the same: it's cynical as ****. It's boring. There's no sense of awe or wonder on this thing (except maybe for WW's appearance).

I must admit when I was watching the Ultimate Edition and Batman says "They told me the world only makes sense if you force it to." I immediately thought, "Like this movie..." :shrug:

Though there is, for me, a lot to like about the movie. More so now with the Ultimate Edition. But the actual Batman v Superman fight is the least interesting part for me and the contrivances for how it begins and how it ends still really bug me. I do think WW is one of the best parts of the movie and the Doomsday fight is fun to me now even though initially it was exhausting because of all that had come before it.

- Senator Finch. Holly Hunter is phenomenal actress and the fact that she played this character so straight and seriously, gave the character and the film, a whole lot of credibility. Usually, great academy award calibre actors phone in their performance or ham it up, in superhero films. Her performance is so powerful that it would makes you believe the Superman is a real force, in our world. When she was talking to Charlie Rose about Superman, she was as serious as a heart attack. However, in the theatrical cut she kind of has a one-track mind, to the point of being grating, and then get's blown up. It's like she's not giving Lex what he wants, but she's continuously going after Superman. In the ultimate cut, there are story changes that make her a far more sympathetic, on-the-verge-of-being-heroic, character. Then when Lex blows her up, it's a bit more tragic because she was going to essentially vindicate Superman and have her "Day of Truth".


Jon Stewart. I'm a fan and glad that him as the Daily Show host is a touch point of this film, as I'll be revisting it quite a bit. Also, unlike other media heads talking about Superman like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Andrew Sullivan...Jon Stewart talks about how Superman essentially said he is going to be representing the world and not just the United States. This was a story point in a David Goyer penned Superman comic, where he renounces his US citizenship. Kind of makes me think there may have been a scene of Superman addressing the press and making this proclamation. Perhaps, it was in the 4-hour cut ;)

The Senator Finch storyline is more interesting with the inclusion of more of the lady from Nairomi's scenes (the witness, her true motivations), as well as strengthening that whole Africa storyline.

I thought that Jon Stewart clip was from his actual discussion of Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship in the comics on his show -when he was actually discussing it on his show at the time (unless they asked him to come back and film like he was on The Daily Show, which I doubt.)
 
I love the TC but I just finish watching the UE and I prefer this version, the extra scenes in the middle had me thinking I was watching a whole different episode I missed from the TC and it was so good.

One question, does anyone here knows where can I buy the digital with Spanish subs or maybe even audio. iTunes and Microsoft movies and tv app don't have any.
 
So I watched it yesterday night.And I ****ing loved it.
Its weird though,I had read all the spoilers and I knew what was coming.Yet,this version of the film hit me the hardest emotionally.For a big Superman fan like me,the biggest thing Im happy about is they did his death justice.The ending was really good.
The thing this cut changed for me was,I used to tell people "I know its flawed,but I love BvS",now I can say "I love BvS".
 
UC is better than the TC, but ffs, it's 3 hours long. It's a 3 hours Batman/Superman movie. Some stuff is much better than the TC (UC elucidates the whole Africe situation), but the heart of the movie stays the same: it's cynical as ****. It's boring. There's no sense of awe or wonder on this thing (except maybe for WW's appearance).

Exactly.
 
I must admit when I was watching the Ultimate Edition and Batman says "They told me the world only makes sense if you force it to." I immediately thought, "Like this movie..." :shrug:

Though there is, for me, a lot to like about the movie. More so now with the Ultimate Edition. But the actual Batman v Superman fight is the least interesting part for me and the contrivances for how it begins and how it ends still really bug me. I do think WW is one of the best parts of the movie and the Doomsday fight is fun to me now even though initially it was exhausting because of all that had come before it.

Yeah. I love the production design. Love it.
 
- The Library party scene is miles better, in this cut. The driving force of it is and should be Bruce and Clark Interacting/Bruce getting data of off Lex's Servers/Diana being mysterious. Lex's is speech is supposed to be aimless rambling, we're not supposed to hear most of it, as we're supposed to be focusing on what the other characters are doing. Somehow, inexplicably, the theatrical cut focuses on Lex's Speech, in a way that fixates us on it and leaves us puzzled. The Ultimate cut reverses the issue and cuts straight to Bruce on his mission right after Lex gets on stage. The only time we focus back on Lex dialogue is during the better parts of that speech, when we're being shown that Lex is so in his head, it's making him nuts..."Knowledge and Power are paradoxical..etc.". Overall the focus on the heroes gives the scene momentum and energy. I love those shoes, now I really love this scene.

I'm glad they took the focus away from Lex's speech because Lex (and Jesse) is at his most ****ing annoying here! :yay:
 
Clark talking to the dead prisoners wife. When she says you can't use words, only fists, with Batman, that was an absolutely necessary moment. It explains why he was so tough with his "bury it" warning, and, most important, it clarifies why he doesn't spend more time trying to talk to Bruce about the Martha stuff.
 
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