The Dark Knight The Christian Bale/Bruce Wayne thread

Because I don't want to JUST bash 8blades, I'll comment on some pics that caught my eye.

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http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=72199

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I love these three pics because they do very well to show his badass Batman face that was very prevalant in Begins. I've stated before that the TDK cowl doesn't do well for his face, unfortionatley.

But these pics, that face seems to shine through. Especially pic 2. Pic one is badass though because he has his Batman face on without the costume.
 
I think Bale went a bit underused in this movie. His Batman version is very true, but in my opinion not the truest. But from what I understand, to me his Batman/Bruce Wayne are a mixture of Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory. The only thing missing is his prevalent point of view from Batman Begins. I dont think it carried over too well to the second one. All in all I think Bale was very good in both and will probably top himself with the third one.:brucebat:
 
Tatsumarushinob said:
I think Bale went a bit underused in this movie. His Batman version is very true, but in my opinion not the truest. But from what I understand, to me his Batman/Bruce Wayne are a mixture of Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory. The only thing missing is his prevalent point of view from Batman Begins. I dont think it carried over too well to the second one. All in all I think Bale was very good in both and will probably top himself with the third one.:brucebat:
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I hope so. Bale has been my favorite Batman and Bruce of all time and I'd love it if he could be even better. :grin:
 
Amazing Kal. Really well done. You even make the suit look passable. lol.


Upon review...did you draw that??? I just assumed.
 
I also think Keaton is still the best Bale looks good but his act just felt empty at times his bruce was bland as was his playboy act. Bale just doesnt have any natural charm other actors, people like George cloony (not in batman and robin but in out of sight,oceans 11 ect) or Hugh Jackamn are just far more naturally charming this gives them far more flexability as actors imo.

You know when you see Barack Obama on tv? he has a natural charm and ease that i wanted to see from this kind of Wayne.

In the suit Bale was decent but limited he just didnt create a persona for the suit it was an angry bruce wayne in a rubber suit. his shouting act got boring fast and showed how limited this batman was where was the intelligence? (not super do-anything stuff but smart enough) no one can say Bales bat or bruce seemd smarter then Keatons.

Keaton just had something extra his bruce was different from the decades of comics (which was a massive gamble) but it worked and seemd (despite the fantasy element of Burton) more believeable the isolated scatterbrained guy with the spark worked better then a rich playboy splattered over all tabloids and completely in everyones face all the time.

Keaton took a suit with limited movement and created the ultimate screen bat imo he was a WORLD away from bruce he had the eyes and the demeanor of a man obsessed the classic argument of is bruce or batman the true persona is all on show with Keaton there is no way he would give up the batman even for a life with Vale Bale casually willing to give up the bat for Rachel was laughable imo the suit meant nothing to him, just a means to an end.

Bale looks better had a better script, supporting cast ect but as the Batman i honestly think Keaton is still the bechmark for Bruce wayne/batman.
 
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I think you have good arguments. I agree with you on the intelligence bit. That was slightly missing. The best representation of Batman is the animated series. Hollywood should start taking some notes. But one thing that both BB and TDK got right was the human aspect of Batman. Also everytime I watch these two movies I discover more subtleties in Bale's performance. In the end its just different representations of Batman.
 
Its when i see RDJ in Iron man when i see how a intelligent billionaire playboy with a charm that you have to smile at that i see the big flaws with bales playboy act. Its just too mundane and stale RDJ is amazing not just as the playboy but he adds the electric charm and intelligence that bale lacked.
 
nathaniel said:
Its when i see RDJ in Iron man when i see how a intelligent billionaire playboy with a charm that you have to smile at that i see the big flaws with bales playboy act. Its just too mundane and stale RDJ is amazing not just as the playboy but he adds the electric charm and intelligence that bale lacked.
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Bale's playboy is a fake playboy. It's Bruce acting a role that he doesn't necessarily enjoy. In real life he's repressed and brooding, a personality I thought Bale pulled off nicely. Tony Stark really is a playboy, so RDJ had to be convincing.
 
RachelDawes said:
Bale's playboy is a fake playboy. It's Bruce acting a role that he doesn't necessarily enjoy. In real life he's repressed and brooding, a personality I thought Bale pulled off nicely. Tony Stark really is a playboy, so RDJ had to be convincing.
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Exactly.
 
RachelDawes said:
Bale's playboy is a fake playboy. It's Bruce acting a role that he doesn't necessarily enjoy. In real life he's repressed and brooding, a personality I thought Bale pulled off nicely. Tony Stark really is a playboy, so RDJ had to be convincing.
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I get what your saying, but Bales playboy act should also feel convincing to the viewer it should be a borderline thing where he is utterly charming one minute then slightly turns off when he goes batman BTAS captures it perfectly even the slightly corny toon moments when Bruces voice sometimes changes when he is alone or with Alfred.

Keaton was convincing as complete airhead to the viewer and then he does a complete 180 to become the bat

Bale is just a grim looking guy period, in looks and acting style, he is a really good actor but charm isnt his strong suit his Bruce comes of as strange as a result a wayne who looks great but one with a strange lack of the feeling of smarts and a batman who seems like wayne in a suit who is permanently angry the lack of a real relationship with the batman side (it is a tool to clear up gotham nothing more) doesnt help at all.

Cloony was terrible in B&R but he has charm in spades i firmly believe if he got the role in 2004/5 under good direction he would have killed the Bruce/Batman role as it is Keaton imo is still the benchmark for the role especially as the suited bat.
 
nathaniel said:
I get what your saying, but Bales playboy act should also feel convincing to the viewer it should be a borderline thing where he is utterly charming one minute then slightly turns off when he goes batman BTAS captures it perfectly even the slightly corny toon moments when Bruces voice sometimes changes when he is alone or with Alfred.

Keaton was convincing as complete airhead to the viewer and then he does a complete 180 to become the bat

Bale is just a grim looking guy period, in looks and acting style, he is a really good actor but charm isnt his strong suit his Bruce comes of as strange as a result a wayne who looks great but one with a strange lack of the feeling of smarts and a batman who seems like wayne in a suit who is permanently angry the lack of a real relationship with the batman side (it is a tool to clear up gotham nothing more) doesnt help at all.

Cloony was terrible in B&R but he has charm in spades i firmly believe if he got the role in 2004/5 under good direction he would have killed the Bruce/Batman role as it is Keaton imo is still the benchmark for the role especially as the suited bat.
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Nolan's Bruce Wayne isn't supposed to be suave or charming. He's more of an irresponsible arse, like a low-key male version of Paris Hilton. It's just a different interpretation of the character.

I feel batman is more than just a tool for cleaning up Gotham. Remember Rachel's letter? "I don't think the day is coming when you will no longer need Batman." Bruce is very dependent on his alter ego.
 
RachelDawes said:
Nolan's Bruce Wayne isn't supposed to be suave or charming. He's more of an irresponsible arse, like a low-key male version of Paris Hilton. It's just a different interpretation of the character.

I feel batman is more than just a tool for cleaning up Gotham. Remember Rachel's letter? "I don't think the day is coming when you will no longer need Batman." Bruce is very dependent on his alter ego.
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I completely agree. Hopefully in BB3, we see more of his dependancy on Batman. It makes for a better character than what was written for B89, imho.
 
nathaniel said:
Its when i see RDJ in Iron man when i see how a intelligent billionaire playboy with a charm that you have to smile at that i see the big flaws with bales playboy act. Its just too mundane and stale RDJ is amazing not just as the playboy but he adds the electric charm and intelligence that bale lacked.
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I don't find anything charming or intelligent about RDJ.
 
Not all billionaire playboys have to act the same. Just because RDJ is charming doesn't make it the "right" way. It might make his character more enjoyable to watch, but Bale and Nolan didn't go that route. It doesnt make it wrong, its something different that they thought thought was appropriate for the character..
 
I never saw Bruce Wayne as a character that was supposed to be particularly charming. This isn't James Bond. Ultimately, Wayne is supposed to be a tortured, driven individual -- not a suave ladykiller. I figure someone who is so broken and driven by his parents murder that he would become a masked vigilante wouldn't be a particularly charming person.

I think Bruce Wayne's personality would be a bit more like that of Hugh Laurie's "House" (just without the sarcasm), or Keifer Sutherland's "Jack Bauer" (with one extra rule). He's angry, and constantly in pain. He's intelligent, driven, respected and feared. He's gruff, stubborn and generally disagreeable. But it would be very unlikely that he would be LIKED by anyone other than the few individuals that are closest to him (like Alfred, and Rachel before she was moved from one place to several).

Bale captures that pretty well. I don't think Keaton did. He wasn't angry enough. He wasn't threatening enough. He didn't seem strong enough -- either as Batman or as Wayne. Ultimately, he was too charming, too agreeable, too likeable to play a character as tortured as Bruce Wayne.

KBZ
 
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