The Debates Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

That's true, I still don't think this will somehow achieve anything other than a Hillary victory but after the scandal she should've managed to bury him tonight and instead he'll live to fight another day, that's the problem for me.

I don't think this changes any outcome, it's just morbidly impressive that Trump managed to not get smashed after a week that would've seen most politicians move to a cave in Iceland for the rest of their days.

This is definitely all fair. I also think she wanted to avoid the Bill mudslinging, which kept her from attacking like crazy. I also think she believes he can do more damage to himself.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have mixed feelings on her response (or lack thereof) regarding the rape accusations. I feel that by not denying them, she is basically letting those rumors persist. On the other hand, by acknowledging them, she's going down Trump's rabbit hole. Also, they could be true, in which case it's probably best to ignore them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have mixed feelings on her response (or lack thereof) regarding the rape accusations. I feel that by not denying them, she is basically letting those rumors persist. On the other hand, by acknowledging them, she's going down Trump's rabbit hole. Also, they could be true, in which case it's probably best to ignore them.

Yep, she weighed the options, and went with the latter.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yep, she weighed the options, and went with the latter.

I wonder what she actually thinks about them. We may never know.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wonder what she actually thinks about them. We may never know.

About the affairs/potential sexual assaults?

 

[Thundercrack85]

About the affairs/potential sexual assaults?

Yes. To be honest, I really don't know what to make of some of those accusations. Obviously, there's been some secrets in that marriage. Even if some of the accusations are true, it doesn't necessarily mean that she knows the truth.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes. To be honest, I really don't know what to make of some of those accusations. Obviously, there's been some secrets in that marriage. Even if some of the accusations are true, it doesn't necessarily mean that she knows the truth.

I can totally believe they have had an understanding about their relationship. Which means she probably thought he cheated. I don't think she thinks he assaulted anyone. I also think she has always been pissed that he got caught cheating, because it effected her way more then him.

 

[Donner]

I can totally believe they have had an understanding about their relationship. Which means she probably thought he cheated. I don't think she thinks he assaulted anyone. I also think she has always been pissed that he got caught cheating, because it effected her way more then him.

A quick glance at Bill's affairs Wikipedia page will likely convince you that not only did Hillary know about the affairs, but enabled them. And I would say he likely did rape that woman back in the 70s. The thing that bothers me about it is that he de-escalated. Usually rapists work up to rape (from groping and crap like that). They don't start out with rape and then move to run of the mill affairs. Then again, women didn't exactly speak out about their rape experiences back in the 70s so who knows.

At the worst, Hillary is an accomplice to Bill's indiscretions and threatened the women, at best she's an enabler with a wicked moral compass and a horrible feminist.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A quick glance at Bill's affairs Wikipedia page will likely convince you that not only did Hillary know about the affairs, but enabled them. And I would say he likely did rape that woman back in the 70s. The thing that bothers me about it is that he de-escalated. Usually rapists work up to rape (from groping and crap like that). They don't start out with rape and then move to run of the mill affairs. Then again, women didn't exactly speak out about their rape experiences back in the 70s so who knows.

At the worst, Hillary is an accomplice to Bill's indiscretions and threatened the women, at best she's an enabler with a wicked moral compass and a horrible feminist.

What is wrong with an open relationship? Serious question. If Bill was allowed to sleep with who he pleased, how is that "enabling" and in any way nefarious?

Also you said it yourself, rapist don't usually de-escalate.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've never believed Bill Clinton was one to sexually assault women. Serial philanderer? Yes. Rapist? No. He was out on the make, but I don't think he forced himself on any woman.

 

[Smashlilman]

I've never believed Bill Clinton was one to sexually assault women. Serial philanderer? Yes. Rapist? No. He was out on the make, but I don't think he forced himself on any woman.

Nothing definitive but he's done a lot of suspect things.
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Clinton Ties To Billionaire Child Pornographer Revealed
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^Bill Clinton used to ride on this guys private jet when he was president and he would leave the secret service behind.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah... none of that said Bill Clinton raped anyone. And again... I stand by my opinion. Do I think Bill had a hard time keeping it in his pants for decades? Yeah. I think that's a scummy side to the man and it lead to unwanted and unneeded grief for his wife and the country at large... But being a powerful man on the constant lookout for women to cheat with IS NOT rape. Do I think he pursued women? No doubt about it. Again... That's not rape, and in fact just making a sexual overture to another person isn't even automatically sexual harassment.

 

[Charlatan]

A quick glance at Bill's affairs Wikipedia page will likely convince you that not only did Hillary know about the affairs, but enabled them. And I would say he likely did rape that woman back in the 70s. The thing that bothers me about it is that he de-escalated. Usually rapists work up to rape (from groping and crap like that). They don't start out with rape and then move to run of the mill affairs. Then again, women didn't exactly speak out about their rape experiences back in the 70s so who knows.

At the worst, Hillary is an accomplice to Bill's indiscretions and threatened the women, at best she's an enabler with a wicked moral compass and a horrible feminist.

So like Trump's wife then? Only we're not voting for Bill. And as far as I'm concerned it's between them. This allegedly happened in 79. They brought it up again in 98. Ken Starr looked into it and found nothing. I don't think we are going to have to worry about Hillary terrorizing the staff in the WH by leering at them or groping them. And I don't think Bill would be okay with someone talking about his daughter like Trump was. Seriously what kind of father is he?

 

[Orba]

I have mixed feelings on her response (or lack thereof) regarding the rape accusations. I feel that by not denying them, she is basically letting those rumors persist. On the other hand, by acknowledging them, she's going down Trump's rabbit hole. Also, they could be true, in which case it's probably best to ignore them.

There is no real benefit for Clinton getting into that stuff though, none of the stories are new so giving them more attention doesn't help her. It all part of the existing Clinton baggage. All this stuff came out during the 90's when the GOP were trying to nail Bill with anything, and Ken Starr ended up just going with Lewinsky. With Broaddrick for example she changed her story a few times, she signed an affidavit saying it never happened, then turned round and said it did.

I won't try and claim it never happened, just pointing out that the Republicans didn't think there was enough at at time that they were trying to take down Bill's Presidency.

 

[Havok83]

There is no real benefit for Clinton getting into that stuff though, none of the stories are new so giving them more attention doesn't help her. It all part of the existing Clinton baggage. All this stuff came out during the 90's when the GOP were trying to nail Bill with anything, and Ken Starr ended up just going with Lewinsky. With Broaddrick for example she changed her story a few times, she signed an affidavit saying it never happened, then turned round and said it did.

I won't try and claim it never happened, just pointing out that the Republicans didn't think there was enough at at time that they were trying to take down Bill's Presidency.

IMO its also irrelevant and an obvious deflection on Trump's part. I dont see what Bill being of accused of years ago is relevant to Trump's character as our Presidential nominee today. "Oh yeah I may have been bad, but your husband is worse!". He came across as a petulant child. Bill isnt running for president so going into all that shouldnt have any bearing on this race especially since he's had to face all that crap already

 

[Roose Bolton]

Basically, I think Trump's pretty damned desperate to drudge up this stuff about Bill, whether it's true or not, it doesn't change what Trump himself said. So much of what he's doing with this campaign is just...it's childish, and the guy is a 70 year old man.

 

[Iceman]

After seeing the debate this morning it wasn't as disastrous for Trump as it might have been but it still won't really be helping him at all. With just one debate left now and it looking like he can't adapt I think the election is done now aside from a big terrorist attack very close to or on election day.

 

[terry78]

It kind of sucks that she had to take somewhat of the low road regarding the attack, but unfortunately with Trump you really have no other option.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

A CNN/ORC poll of debate-watchers shows Hillary Clinton wins the second presidential debate

https://***********/CNNPolitics/status/785324979671838721

YouGov interviewed 812 registered voters who watched the debate

Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton clashed for the second time at a town hall-style debate in St Louis, Missouri on Sunday night.

According to YouGov's post-debate poll, which interviewed 812 registered voters who watched the debate, Hillary Clinton won the debate against Donald Trump by 47% to 42%. Clinton narrowly won undecideds 44% to 41%. She was also considered “more Presidential” by a 57% to 31% margin. There was a gender gap, however: women thought Clinton won by 50-38%, while men thought Trump won by 46-43%.

71% also say Trump interrupted more often, compared to 7% who thought Clinton interrupted more.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/09/post-debate-poll/

 

[Boom]

People actually thought Clinton interrupted more?

Hahaha wow.

 

[Lily Adler]

She's that nosy librarian who thinks she's above you when you start ranting about how Gregory Peck wasn't fit to star in To Kill a Mocking Bird that selfish *****!!! But yeah...

 

[Legendver2]

So like Trump's wife then? Only we're not voting for Bill. And as far as I'm concerned it's between them. This allegedly happened in 79. They brought it up again in 98. Ken Starr looked into it and found nothing. I don't think we are going to have to worry about Hillary terrorizing the staff in the WH by leering at them or groping them. And I don't think Bill would be okay with someone talking about his daughter like Trump was. Seriously what kind of father is he?

The kind of father who wants to bone his daughter....

Seriously I feel like the Trumpeteers are getting desperate themselves. Post-debate, I see a bunch of Trumpeteers on my Facebook wall posting zingers by Trump during the debate and other links that shows Trump "won". It's also telling that all these guys that are supporting Trump are known as *******s in my circle.

 

[summerteeth]

- Still defended rape culture as "locker room talk."

I'm surprised Hillary didn't use that term to describe it because that's exactly what it was. Whether or did it or not (I think he probably has sexually assaulted women) he is perpetuating rape culture by dismissing it as locker room talk and even going around talking like that to begin with. That it's somehow okay for him to go up to women and grope them.

 

[Donner]

What is wrong with an open orelationship? Serious question. If Bill was allowed to sleep with who he pleased, how is that "enabling" and in any way nefarious?

Also you said it yourself, rapist don't usually de-escalate.

Nothing is wrong with an open relationship. I have doubts that that is what it is/was, though.

And I also said that women in the 70s didn't exactly come forward very often with their sexual assault experiences. Who knows what else Bill might have done. I think there is definitely a double standard here. Bill having been a good president doesn't absolve him from being a rapist.

It's true that Bill isn't running for president and it's Hillary that the focus should be on. But if the husband of a potential president was a rapist and she helped to cover up his crimes by threatening/bribing the victims, then that would be super shady. Of course it has no bearing on her presidential policies (some people are excellent leaders with horrible personal lives), but I can see where women especially might be put off.

 

[Boom]

I'm surprised Hillary didn't use that term to describe it because that's exactly what it was. Whether or did it or not (I think he probably has sexually assaulted women) he is perpetuating rape culture by dismissing it as locker room talk and even going around talking like that to begin with. That it's somehow okay for him to go up to women and grope them.

Right.

Let's pretend for a second that Trump didn't flat-out admit to actually doing the things he said in that video. Let's pretend that they are "just words."

This makes it okay, how? He's normalizing this kind of behavior. "Oh yeah when you're famous you can do whatever. Go ahead and kiss 'em, if you can't help yourself. Grab 'em by the *****." So even if Trump isn't guilty of it himself, he's basically telling actual sexual predators that it's totally okay. Some role model.

Look, I've made alpha comments before, but I've never said anything like this. Neither has any other man in my family, nor any of my male friends. There's talking a big game, and then there's advocating sexual assault. When he doubled down with the "locker room talk" and "just words" defense, I wanted Hillary and the moderators to destroy him.