The ending killed it for me...

[The Spawn]

The whole Mr. White thing could have been given more attention.

And that whole taser thing...I'm going to watch it again.

Everything else action wise was pretty good, accents not so much. Craig = Bond...has to do another movie before I can judge...which is a first for me...usually first movie and I can tell.

 

[Agentsands77]

The whole Mr. White thing could have been given more attention.

Why?

 

[The Spawn]

The cell phone for one was rather "lets hurry up and give him a clue".

I knew we all figured it out, too many camera shots that focused on his face...and the case carrying away scene was the dead give away.

When I saw him holding the gun up in the air in the trailers I assumed he was getting revenge and was about to massacre people.

Instead, he introduced himself.

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it seemed rushed in my opinion.

 

[Catman]

Craig = Bond...has to do another movie before I can judge...which is a first for me...usually first movie and I can tell.

Thats because Craig didn't play Bond. He played Bond becoming Bond. It's different.

Oh, and I loved the ending. I just thought it was awesome.

 

[Agentsands77]

When I saw him holding the gun up in the air in the trailers I assumed he was getting revenge and was about to massacre people.

Nah, just about to interrogate one man. Presumably, BOND 22 will pick up from this very scene.

Instead, he introduced himself.

Yeah, and I loved it. I thought it was one of the best deliveries of "the line" in Bond history. Bond, in a stunning suit, with the mother of all guns. That's just cool.

 

[TheVileOne]

I was hoping for a Smersh revel, but what we got was fine.

 

[The Spawn]

I loved the line and the delivery when I have the 'bond' mindset.

But as a screen writer and producer...no.

It could have ended the same way...all I'm saying is that from the time Bong got the text message (...), read it, whatever, and to the time where he called White, he should have been taking out people working for White.

I honestly can't explain it.

It was like a mystery that got solved with one clue.

Like Nip/Tuck and the Carver.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think I understand what you are saying Spawn.

But that basically would've required almost a whole other act and the movie was already running kind of long.

As a student of film myself, despite how much we like the poison scene, and how well done it was, it could've been cut.

The movie loses NOTHING if that scene goes. The quips are nice, but it would've helped the movie progress quicker.

I also think the poker game could've all been done in one sitting. Instead of a week .

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Nah, just about to interrogate one man. Presumably, BOND 22 will pick up from this very scene.


Yeah, and I loved it. I thought it was one of the best deliveries of "the line" in Bond history. Bond, in a stunning suit, with the mother of all guns. That's just cool.

Yea, i thought he delivered the line perfectly. I kinda have to agree with the thread starter tho, im not sure what i think of Daniel Craig as James Bond, i mean i deff didnt think he did bad, im just not sold yet. I was a fan of Craig before he did Casino Royale so i was excited to see him do the character. Iv always thought Pierce Brosnan was the mother of all Bonds and to me hell always be, but Craig deff added a dimention to the character that i dont think ANY of the previous Bonds could have. Im deff looking forward to seein Craig in the future films

 

[Agentsands77]

It could have ended the same way...all I'm saying is that from the time Bong got the text message (...), read it, whatever, and to the time where he called White, he should have been taking out people working for White.

Why? White isn't the main bad guy. He's just a lackey for the main bad guy. This is all a set-up for the main villain in BOND 22 (this has been said in many interviews with the team behind CASINO ROYALE).

I also think the poker game could've all been done in one sitting. Instead of a week .

Well, it wouldn't be very tense or faithful to Fleming's novel. Spreading it out gives the game some genuine tension, importance, and drama, rather than just having it all done in one sitting where it's just there and gone.

 

[The Spawn]

Craigs villain sucked.

Best Bond villain after View to Kill hands down is 006.

The others at least had henchman who would do the work for them or could defend themselves...CR, not so much.

 

[TheVileOne]

In the novel it didn't take like several days. Faithful to the novel is not something I feel like they were trying to achieve.

If anything, making it more than one day broke up the tension and the drama and the build-up.

It still could've gone long, I'm simply talking about the chronological time within the story.

 

[The Spawn]

I'm speaking in terms with complete and utter disregard for the interviews...once again, I can't explain it.

They trailed it off 'wrong'...but once again, I think it was due to lack of consideration for many things.

Was there something after the credits?

 

[The Spawn]

Does he get poisoned in the book?

And is Mathis a turn coat in the book?

Does he randomly get tasered in the book?

 

[Agentsands77]

Craigs villain sucked.

I liked Le Chiffre a lot. It was very interesting to have a villain who isn't omnipotent, who is rather a character who has as much to lose as Bond does.

The others at least had henchman who would do the work for them or could defend themselves...CR, not so much.

All the villains in CASINO ROYALE had henchmen.

Obanno had his bodyguard, Le Chiffre had his people throughout the entire film (Mollaka, Dimitrios, Carlos, Kratt, Valenka, and so on), and Mr. White had his people in the Venice sequence (namely Gettler, the guy with the black lense on his glasses).

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes there was a little easter egg after the credits.

Take a guess what it is. If you've ever seen a Bond movie you should know.

 

[The Spawn]

Uber Hench is what I meant.

There's a difference between Stamper and the other guys for instance.

 

[Agentsands77]

In the novel it didn't take like several days.

I'm fairly sure it did. At least two or so (which is what CASINO ROYALE's card game spanned - only two days).

Faithful to the novel is not something I feel like they were trying to achieve.

Really? I did.

It still could've gone long, I'm simply talking about the chronological time within the story.

I know. But having it go in one complete stretch would be deathly dull. The game needed to be broken up with other things to make it work.

 

[Agentsands77]

Does he get poisoned in the book?

No, but he is threatened with a gun-cane. The poison sequence is just a heightened version of that subtle, less cinematic scene.

And is Mathis a turn coat in the book?

No, but I'm not convinced he's ultimately guilty here. At the very least, there's a lot in store for his character in BOND 22.

Does he randomly get tasered in the book?

His tasering was far from random. And adding details hardly makes it totally unfaithful to the novel.

 

[TheVileOne]

Does he get poisoned in the book?

No. In the book, one of Le Chiffre's thugs tries to sneak up on Bond and knife him. Bond escapes and turns the tables though. Kind of gave a nod to that earlier in the movie with Demetrios vs. Bond.

And is Mathis a turn coat in the book?

No. Mathis is actually a known friend and ally of Bond and they seem to have a strong relationship. One of the best scenes of the book is where Bond talks about the nature of evil with Mathis, and I think Mathis in a way did help Bond after what happened to him.

Does he randomly get tasered in the book?

No.

 

[Agentsands77]

No. In the book, one of Le Chiffre's thugs tries to sneak up on Bond and knife him. Bond escapes and turns the tables though. Kind of gave a nod to that earlier in the movie with Demetrios vs. Bond.

No, he doesn't try to knife Bond. He has a cane that's a gun and he places it at the base of Bond's spine and threatens to shoot Bond if Bond doesn't withdraw from the game.

And there is also a attempt on Bond's life with a bomb before the game ever starts.

 

[TheVileOne]

Eh my mistake. I think the Bond scene should've been kept in. That would've given us some TENSION.

And the game is all done in one night in the book. There aren't these day breaks.

 

[The Spawn]

I knew the answer to all three questions, I just wanted to compare both of your answers...

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=227&topic=31830818

 

[Agentsands77]

Uber Hench is what I meant.

Do we really need and Uber-Hench at this point? And besides, the point was to make the villain in CASINO ROYALE different from the rest. In fact, CASINO ROYALE is unique in that none of the villains in CASINO ROYALE are the head honcho; they're all men lower down on the ladder (save Obanno, but he's kind of a side villain).

 

[Gold Samurai]

Yes there was a little easter egg after the credits.

Take a guess what it is. If you've ever seen a Bond movie you should know.

ah yes but its too bad the future movie titles aren't set in stone like they were 40 years ago

James bond will return...........in "You only live twice "etc