The FFINO ZONE

[Willie Lumpkin]

The statement would make more sense if Marvel wasn't doing the exact opposite and kicking Fox's backside in the process. Just look at what The Avengers movies are making compared to the X-Men movies. Age of Ultron did double what Days of Future Past did.

Like most of what Kinberg says, it's a just plain dumb and indefensible statement.

Try going to your boss and tell him or her: "Yeah, I didn't do it the way it should be done because it was "fundamentally difficult", so I just did it in an easier, half-assed way.

See how that flies.

 

[Quasar]

Simon Kinberg: "Making a good movie is fundamentally difficult."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Simon Kinberg: "Making a good movie is fundamentally difficult."

It certainly seems to be so for him.

Heck, dunking a basketball is "fundamentally difficult" for me, but that doesn't mean there aren't other people out there who can do it.

If you can't do it, get out of the way and let someone else do it. Don't **** it up and then try to explain yourself with a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Kanon]

Simon Kinberg: "Making a good movie is fundamentally difficult."

Making a movie as bad as this one seems to be, is even more difficult

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Making a movie as bad as this one seems to be, is even more difficult

Yep. I'm amazed at how when I think things couldn't get worse, they find a way to outdo themselves. It can't be easy to do almost every single thing wrong.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yep. I'm amazed at how when I think things couldn't get worse, they find a way to outdo themselves. It can't be easy to do almost every single thing wrong.

Meanwhile I see people celebrating in the main thread that Singer has confirmed an X-Men/FF crossover, looking forward to Evil Reed and apparently Bryan Singer's version of Kang. I guess hope for a 616 faithful FF is dead then?

 

[RAE072]

Meanwhile I see people celebrating in the main thread that Singer has confirmed an X-Men/FF crossover, looking forward to Evil Reed and apparently Bryan Singer's version of Kang. I guess hope for a 616 faithful FF is dead then?

They can celebrate all they want. The movie hasn't come out yet and it's not tracking well, and it's got a lot of stuff going against it.

 

[Hush]

I'm going to hate this movie with all my hate.

 

[marvelmadness13]

The crossover can't happen without Disney writing up and agreeing to new contracts allowing it, and after Fox spit in their face over the Daredevil extension they certainly wouldn't do that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm going to hate this movie with all my hate.

I didn't intend to do that, but the film-makers haven't given me a choice.

 

[Hush]

I didn't intend to do that, but the film-makers haven't given me a choice.

No I have hated the idea of this movie since it was announced because I wanted the rights to revert back to Marvel. For this to bomb would be a most beautiful sight.

 

[Jason Kane]

The crossover can't happen without Disney writing up and agreeing to new contracts allowing it, and after Fox spit in their face over the Daredevil extension they certainly wouldn't do that.

That's what I've tried to tell three chaps on a Facebook group but they're still convinced Fox can do crossovers.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No I have hated the idea of this movie since it was announced because I wanted the rights to revert back to Marvel. For this to bomb would be a most beautiful sight.

I can't say how it will do at the box-office, but from my point of view, as 45 year fan of the FF who would have plunked money down for something I trusted would be as good as the Corman film, it's already bombed.

All they would have had to do to get my money was make a film that didn't look completely terrible. Just plain old bad would have gotten my money.

But super-powers acting as an allegory for puberty and man-boobs, a military standing in for oppressive teachers and parents, bungee Reed, trash-bag Doom, thing-less Thing with the voice of a 12 year old etc. etc. etc.

That's failing in a spectacular manner.

 

[Hush]

I can't say how it will do at the box-office, but from my point of view, as 45 year fan of the FF who would have plunked money down for something I trusted would be as good as the Corman film, it's already bombed.

All they would have had to do to get my money was make a film that didn't look completely terrible. Just plain old bad would have gotten my money.

But super-powers acting as an allegory for puberty and man-boobs, a military standing in for oppressive teachers and parents, bungee Reed, trash-bag Doom, thing-less Thing with the voice of a 12 year old etc. etc. etc.

That's failing in a spectacular manner.

I didnt think the first FF4 movies were the worst thing in the world really but this just looks like its gonna make those ones look like oscar winners.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't know if they can do a crossover or not. But if this film does as poorly as it is tracking to do, why would they even want to do one? It would just drag the X-Men down by anchoring to this flop of a franchise.

 

[metaphysician]

If she's so smart, why is she in this movie?

Just like the Story films, the idea of making Sue a genius physicist almost at Reed's level is a terrible idea. Why not give her a unique set of skills, like Johnny and Ben? I'd have Sue be a medical doctor. She would be essential to the team and any potential missions, and not simply as a less accomplished version of Reed.

I'm sure they'll fix it in the sequel!

Way back when, while there was still hope of a good movie, I suggested that the framing plot be "experimental space mission to explore a mysterious ship just entering our solar system." Sue would be on the mission as a diplomat and anthropologist, the same role as Daniel Jackson essentially. This would give her a competency that both fits with her established characterization, gives her a good reason to be on the mission, and doesn't step on the toes of other characters.

 

[metaphysician]

See? That comment was a bit of a head-scratcher at the time. "Why would he mention his moobs in an interview about Fantastic Four?"

Because that's the primary theme of this film.

I'm dead serious. I think Trank sat down at one point and thought about the transition from normal people to superhero as an allegory for the transition from child to adult - coming of age - and that's what this film is all about.

So the military are the parents and teachers who "just don't understand".

Terrible, terrible stuff, but I think that's really what we're getting. Just look at everything we've seen and heard and it will all start to fit together.

The worst thing is, that's actually a perfectly valid theme for a super hero story. Becoming a super hero means going from being "ordinary" and powerless to having the ability to do great things, as well as the responsibility for your actions and consequences. All of this goes along with, hopefully, a growing ethical understanding, lest things go horribly wrong.

Of course, it also already has a name: "Spider-man".

 

[starscream22]

I don't know if they can do a crossover or not. But if this film does as poorly as it is tracking to do, why would they even want to do one? It would just drag the X-Men down by anchoring to this flop of a franchise.

It's just a last minute ploy to hopefully sell more tickets. Otherwise why didn't Singer and Co. mention this at SDCC?

I still think Disney has the final say in crossovers otherwise Fox would've been all over it by now.

As bad as the press is for this film why not add an X-men cameo or stinger to this current reboot?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Doesn't matter. "You'll see it anyway."

Sure... when it comes to PPV/VOD.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Fox are being too coy about the crossover for me to believe that they do not need permission from Marvel.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Fox are being too coy about the crossover for me to believe that they do not need permission from Marvel.

"It's totally going to might happen if we see how the film goes, probably."

 

[Zarex]

We've got Fant4stic plans for an FF-X-Men crossover. But everything takes a backseat to Gambit!

 

[Quasar]

"We'll do the crossover in the sequel, while we're fixing everything else like costumes, characterization, motives, origins, etc."

 

[TeeKay]

At my fellow believers who think the crossover will happen...

 

[Boom]

Kinberg is hilarious. I don't think anyone has ever disputed that making a movie is "fundamentally difficult."

But as is the case with many things in life, there are those who are cut out for it and those who aren't. Spare me the "Well movies are hard to make so go easy on us if it blows chunks!"

Fox needs to ditch this goof like yesterday.