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From the featurette YourFewCha found earlier:

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Jesus. That looks awful. It looks like what would happen if some inexperienced cameraman or editor had the tint all screwed up on the camera or DI. Who the hell signed off on that mess?
 
Anyway, back on topic, I've disliked how they've spliced together the spots and trailers. They are trying to sell this thing as a Marvel Studios film, rather than sticking to what they originally intended.

In what way are they trying to sell it like a Marvel Studios film?

After all of the reshots, I wonder what the final price tag for this movie is going to be?

This movie can turn out well I suppose, but every commercial I've seen of this flick irritates me more and more. I dislike the looks of Doom and the Thing specifically SO much...just ugh.

Now I hear they say there will be a X-Men/F4 x-over after all...I hope not but if there is I won't check it out either.

This movie for me is a waste of several actors I usually enjoy. Maybe this movie will break out with the GenPop but I just have not found anything that they have shown so far that says to me "this IS a great F4 adaption in spirit". It's spirit seems likes it's closer to the Doom Patrol.

In fact, Trank might have been better suited to adapt The Doom Patrol since in a lot of his and other actors interviews of the themes they claim this movie is pursuing ring closer to that classic comic than anything F4.

He would've called it the Domashev Patrol. :o
 
Jesus. That looks awful. It looks like what would happen if some inexperienced cameraman or editor had the tint all screwed up on the camera or DI. Who the hell signed off on that mess?

I think the big problem with the switch to green is that they apparently were trying to add a more unworldly look to everything (or they were trying to be cheap depending on how generous you want to be to the film makers) but when you see the green magma moving it just looks like magma tinted green. It flows and bursts up just like would imagine lava doing here. If they really wanted a green glowing environment they should have gone with crystalline elements rather than liquid, green crystals would have been easier for people to accept.
 
In what way are they trying to sell it like a Marvel Studios film?

Marvel studios films are generally fun with a lot of action and humor.

We know that the Fantastic Four don't get their powers until past the half-way point in the film, and we know there will only be a couple action scenes. We know that this film is an allegory for puberty in which their transition will be the primary story. It will feature cartoonish military officials who will stand in for parents and teachers as over-controlling oafs who don't understand the changes the teenagers are going through.

We know, from following this very closely, that the above is the real story and focus of the film.

But the trailers have been edited to make this look more like a Marvel film and avoid showing, in a clear way, what the film is actually about. The trailers take a couple action scenes and some mildly amusing moments and use those small pieces - recut over and over again and using slightly different varations of each - along with a shot of Sue laughing strategically placed after scenes that aren't particularly funny to act as a 'laugh track' and trick the viewer into believing they just saw something that is funnier than it was.

Try this experiment: "five minutes...maybe less." "...with a big-ass sunroof" "should I call the fire department?" Do any of those lines make you laugh? Of course not. They're not funny. But we see the same clip of Sue laughing after each one of those lines so, if we don't stop to think about it, we think we just saw something funny. There is very little that is fun or funny in these trailers, but the people making them are trying desperately to make people think they're seeing something fun and funny.

If you look past the editing of the trailers and commercials, you see a dull, flat, lifeless story with idiotic, childish theme of puberty, unrealistic characters and lots of cliche's. But the trailer gives the superficial appearance that this will be a fun, funny, action packed film - like a Marvel film.
 
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And not to keep beating a dead horse but they have Marvel's logo bigger than their logo. If that ain't odd, I don't know what is. They are clearly trying to make the public think this is tied to the MCU.
 
And not to keep beating a dead horse but they have Marvel's logo bigger than their logo. If that ain't odd, I don't know what is. They are clearly trying to make the public think this is tied to the MCU.

Doesn't that fall under the law of passing off?
 
Doesn't that fall under the law of passing off?

Only if the original contracts specifically stated marvel had the right to pull the logo, they told Fox not to use it here, and they still did.

Chances are though that at the time the contracts were done (1990's) Marvel likely insisted the studios had to use their logo, and didn't give any serious thought to a scenario 20 years later where that condition could work against their interests.
 
Only if the original contracts specifically stated marvel had the right to pull the logo, they told Fox not to use it here, and they still did.

Chances are though that at the time the contracts were done (1990's) Marvel likely insisted the studios had to use their logo, and didn't give any serious thought to a scenario 20 years later where that condition could work against their interests.

The latter is indeed the case. Fox HAS to use the Marvel logo. And unfortunately for Marvel, audiences have yet to fully grasp the difference between the normal Marvel logo, and the Marvel Studios logo.

That said, Fox is working against themselves by throwing "From the studio that brought you X-Men: Days of Future Past" right after that. Because everyone knows X-Men isn't a part of the Avengers universe.
 
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The latter is indeed the case. Fox HAS to use the Marvel logo. And unfortunately for Marvel, audiences have yet to fully grasp the difference between the normal Marvel logo, and the Marvel Studios logo.

That kind of depends, regulations require that everyone that is entitled to a film credit get that credit no matter how the relationship between the person and the studio has developed, but they can disown themselves from the movie. The classic example is "Alan Smithee" which was used when Directors disowned their film. I'm sure there are also examples of Writers and Actors having their credits removed.

The big question is how the deal with the film rights works, is the Logo something added as a requirement of the rights deal (and so can't be removed) or is it a part of Marvel's place as a Producer of the film (even if they actually have nothing to do with it).

So which Fox can't remove a credit the question would be how much control Marvel has over its use.
 
That kind of depends, regulations require that everyone that is entitled to a film credit get that credit no matter how the relationship between the person and the studio has developed, but they can disown themselves from the movie. The classic example is "Alan Smithee" which was used when Directors disowned their film. I'm sure there are also examples of Writers and Actors having their credits removed.

The big question is how the deal with the film rights works, is the Logo something added as a requirement of the rights deal (and so can't be removed) or is it a part of Marvel's place as a Producer of the film (even if they actually have nothing to do with it).

So which Fox can't remove a credit the question would be how much control Marvel has over its use.


I could see that happening in some cases, but it is really a professional black mark on your resume, much more so, in my opinion...than if you kept your name on the project and it bombed.
 
And not to keep beating a dead horse but they have Marvel's logo bigger than their logo. If that ain't odd, I don't know what is. They are clearly trying to make the public think this is tied to the MCU.

Where are you seeing this, on the TV spots? Truth be told I haven't been seeking out any new material on the movie, and I rarely see anything on TV, so I'm somewhat out of the loop. I keep hearing people say that Marvels logo is the most prominent logo on the advertising but I haven't personally seen this yet.
 
Where are you seeing this, on the TV spots? Truth be told I haven't been seeking out any new material on the movie, and I rarely see anything on TV, so I'm somewhat out of the loop. I keep hearing people say that Marvels logo is the most prominent logo on the advertising but I haven't personally seen this yet.

Movie posters in local theaters. I will take a picture of it when I go again this week.
 
I could see that happening in some cases, but it is really a professional black mark on your resume, much more so, in my opinion...than if you kept your name on the project and it bombed.

Oh I agree, I was saying it more as a reply to Ulrich saying that they flat out couldn't do whereas I was saying that it might not be a straight forward as that and they might be able to do it depending on how the rights are set out. But yeah I really couldn't see Marvel doing it as there is no way that they could do it without looking petty considering some of the drivel that has been released with a Marvel badge stuck on it (Ghostrider, Elektra etc).
 
I saw there was a discussion on the green lava in the other thread, I still see green screen in the shadows of the red lava images. it's faint, but the way color reflects it's not going to look "Very green"

that green lava, while it does look "other wordly" also makes the imagery way too dark to make out alot of detail... i don't know why they made it darker on top of green
 
All I know is that I don't remember seeing the big red Marvel logo on any previous Fox movie commercials. I have seen them prominently during commercials for FFINO. In fact, locally the tv spots cut out before the commercial is done, leading me to think they tacked on the Marvel logo recently.
 
All I know is that I don't remember seeing the big red Marvel logo on any previous Fox movie commercials. I have seen them prominently during commercials for FFINO. In fact, locally the tv spots cut out before the commercial is done, leading me to think they tacked on the Marvel logo recently.
They've always had the Marvel logo. The difference here is, on some spots they're removing the 20th Century Fox logo, so only the Marvel logo is shown.

So, you're right. They're being manipulative.
 
I saw there was a discussion on the green lava in the other thread, I still see green screen in the shadows of the red lava images. it's faint, but the way color reflects it's not going to look "Very green"

that green lava, while it does look "other wordly" also makes the imagery way too dark to make out alot of detail... i don't know why they made it darker on top of green

It hides the shoddy CGI and green screen work that was done without the added cost of redoing or polishing them.
 
They've always had the Marvel logo. The difference here is, on some spots they're removing the 20th Century Fox logo, so only the Marvel logo is shown.

So, you're right. They're being manipulative.

It may also be self preservation. Next year FOX has three more comic book movies from The Studio That Brought You X-Men Days of Future Past. Don't want to turn that phrase into a bad thing.
 
It may also be self preservation. Next year FOX has three more comic book movies from The Studio That Brought You X-Men Days of Future Past. Don't want to turn that phrase into a bad thing.
Reminds me of what's happening with Neill Blomkamp. "From the Director of District 9"...

But what I find interesting is that Fox is continuing to tack "From the Studio That Brought you X-Men: Days of Future Past" on to the spots along with the isolated Marvel logo. They're grabbing onto those coattails like there's no tomorrow.
 
The green lava doesn't bother me ... much. At least it's something different visually. But I do agree with spideboy about the scenes looking too dark now.

Also I'm not convinced that it was always meant to be green. Those red version scenes in the trailers looked like finished shots to me; and I don't see why you would make a finished shot with the red lava if you intended to make it green later.
 
One thing I noticed, why hasn't Fox used the tagline "And from the director that brought you Chronicle"?
 
Well aside from the arguably tepid relationship between the two. Chronicle would hardly get much name recognition. It was a decent film, but I don't think it would bring in a wider audience.
 
I think INO is spot-on. I mean, I want to give the movie the benefit of the doubt, but I can't get rid of the feeling in my gut that even if it's a good movie, it won't be a good Fantastic Four movie.

Seriously, just adapt Millar's and Hitch's story from a few years back, shot for shot, Sin City style, and bam! Success.
 
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