The FFINO ZONE

[Flint Marko]

So by my count...

- The lava was always meant to be green, not red
- The original shoot was seventy-two days and they were on-schedule and on-budget
- Trank ran a "tight ship" and took the original shoot very seriously
- There were only 3-4 days of reshoots
- This was always meant to be viewed in 3D, because Kinberg said the powers lend themselves well to that format
- This was always meant to be viewed in 2D, because Trank wanted it to be viewed how it was originally shot
- Trank voluntarily left Star Wars and totally wasn't fired you guys

Anything else I'm missing?

 

[Snow Queen]

So by my count...

- The lava was always meant to be green, not red
- The original shoot was seventy-two days and they were on-schedule and on-budget
- Trank ran a "tight ship" and took the original shoot very seriously
- There were only 3-4 days of reshoots
- This was always meant to be viewed in 3D, because Kinberg said the powers lend themselves well to that format
- This was always meant to be viewed in 2D, because Trank wanted it to be viewed how it was originally shot
- Trank voluntarily left Star Wars and totally wasn't fired you guys

Anything else I'm missing?

Don't forget how he's taking a break from big budget films absolutely 100% voluntarily.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I am so curious. Pretty much depends on how good Rogue Nation is and if Shaun the Sheep is released in my area.

I'm thinking about just waiting until MFU comes out and just double featuring it that day.

Trank is the kind of person who gets super defensive, to the point of clearly lying about things. There is a reason he has got into internet fights with fans.

There is defending your film and just coming off as unstable and like the most thin skinned mother****er in the world. There are not guesses about which one Trank is because it's obvious.

So by my count...

- The lava was always meant to be green, not red
- The original shoot was seventy-two days and they were on-schedule and on-budget
- Trank ran a "tight ship" and took the original shoot very seriously
- There were only 3-4 days of reshoots
- This was always meant to be viewed in 3D, because Kinberg said the powers lend themselves well to that format
- This was always meant to be viewed in 2D, because Trank wanted it to be viewed how it was originally shot
- Trank voluntarily left Star Wars and totally wasn't fired you guys

Anything else I'm missing?

There are some who will believe any old thing. I'm just not the piss on my leg and tell me it's raining type and I ain't sorry about that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm thinking about just waiting until MFU comes out and just double featuring it that day.

Better watch FF first. That way you don't sour your good mood after Henry.

There is defending your film and just coming off as unstable and like the most thin skinned mother****er in the world. There are not guesses about which one Trank is because it's obvious.

Yep. A lot like Roberto Orci. I wonder what they have in common...

 

[lordofthenerds]

So by my count...

- The lava was always meant to be green, not red
- The original shoot was seventy-two days and they were on-schedule and on-budget
- Trank ran a "tight ship" and took the original shoot very seriously
- There were only 3-4 days of reshoots
- This was always meant to be viewed in 3D, because Kinberg said the powers lend themselves well to that format
- This was always meant to be viewed in 2D, because Trank wanted it to be viewed how it was originally shot
- Trank voluntarily left Star Wars and totally wasn't fired you guys

Anything else I'm missing?

- This movie is a prequel to the Fantastic Four. Its title is Fantastic Four.

 

[Tymminator]

Red looked better IMO, now it kinda looks like Radioactive snot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Red looked better IMO, now it kinda looks like Radioactive snot.

Poorly rendered radioactive snot.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I also thought the red looked better. Surely if they wanted it to look otherworldly they could have picked a different color than green?

And if lava is green here, why aren't the rocks purple or the sky fuchsia or some such s***? Why is the lava the only thing that looks different?

 

[lordofthenerds]

The red looked a lot better. The green stuff looks like ooze to me. Ooze that's been cheaply inserted onto the shot, and doesn't even match what's on screen.

 

[justanotherguy]

The coloring choice pisses me off and reminds me of the Future Foundation book by Fraction in Marvel NOW! where one of the alien kids, maybe Adolf Impossible was referring to classic Marvel coloring (primary colors=hero, other=villain)

So because Doom's primary colors are gray(metal) and green, the lava is green so his coloring will make sense on the screen. It wants to use the vagualy general imagery of Doom but needs it to make sense for the plot.


Which of course, as much of this film does, insults the IP.

 

[the gael]

The red looked a lot better. The green stuff looks like ooze to me. Ooze that's been cheaply inserted onto the shot, and doesn't even match what's on screen.

It looks like the fell lava from the shadowmoon Valley in World of warcraft : the burning crusade to me

problem : It's a 2007 game, not a good think for a 2015 movie !

 

[lordofthenerds]

^Holy crap. It's Planet Zero.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So by my count...

- The lava was always meant to be green, not red
- The original shoot was seventy-two days and they were on-schedule and on-budget
- Trank ran a "tight ship" and took the original shoot very seriously
- There were only 3-4 days of reshoots
- This was always meant to be viewed in 3D, because Kinberg said the powers lend themselves well to that format
- This was always meant to be viewed in 2D, because Trank wanted it to be viewed how it was originally shot
- Trank voluntarily left Star Wars and totally wasn't fired you guys

Anything else I'm missing?

Trank said the synopsis that said they would be used as weapons for the government was BS, and he also said Miles Teller wasn't going to play Reed.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Trank said the synopsis that said they would be used as weapons for the government was BS, and he also said Miles Teller wasn't going to play Reed.

They've pretty much been lying to save face right from the get-go.

It's funny that Trank would lie about his own casting decision. Did he realize it was awful? Even if he did, what good would denying it do? We'd find out soon.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They've pretty much been lying to save face right from the get-go.

It's funny that Trank would lie about his own casting decision. Did he realize it was awful? Even if he did, what good would denying it do? We'd find out soon.

I inferred at the time that Trank had zero interest in Teller. If Trank was third or fourth on his list, it would be foolish to deny him since there would be a real chance it could fall to him.

I can only assume one of two things (neither of them particularly good):

1. Trank got stuck with a lead actor that he never wanted.
2. Trank is very foolish and short-sighted.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As we near release, I think I'm more annoyed by the things not being said as the (really dumb) things that are being said.

There seems to be no interest in trying to sell this film to us - the fans. I have read more references to Trank's moobs than Jack Kirby.

Tim Story had his flaws, but he at least referenced the comics and expressed an interest in capturing certain elements from the comics.

With Trank and Kinberg, it's like the comics don't even exist. Everything is about their vision and it's not expressed as a vision that is a variation of the comics - it's a vision that treats the comics like they don't exist . . . capturing elements from the comic-books doesn't even seem a serious consideration.

They're not even trying to provide reasons that I should want to see this film.

 

[Orba]

Ok I thought I would post an idea I have had for a while, its about why they decided to change Ben's history for the film. My thought that it wasn't simply that they thought theirs was more interesting that than the 616 and UFF but that the change was need to fit a "Vision" they had for the film, a vision that in some way all four characters in some way wanted the powers they get and that Ben's background had to be changed to fit that.

Johnny
I'll start with Johnny since he is where my theory is thinnest, mostly because we don't really know how they plan to show him. But I suspect that he is not all that happy at "Baxter", that he is there mostly because his Dad wants him there. He would probably prefer to be a pilot or astronaut or something like that, something with speed and excitement. His street racing is something his family doesn't approve of but its his way of rebelling. So when the powers hit he gets speed and flight and that sort of cool stuff.

Sue
For Sue I suspect they will have it that she feels like she is a bit of a second class member of the family due to being adopted, that she tends to be overlooked. She probably doesn't go on the mission due to being overlooked, the reason she gets the powers is that she is stuck in the lab alone due to being overlooked. You get the idea. So when the powers his the girl who feels invisible gets the ability to actually be invisible.

Reed
For Reed I think the reason for those powers is something we have seen lots of times in the trailers and tv spots, Doom's "death". When Doom falls we see Reed trying to save him, reaching out to grab him but not being able to reach far enough. So when the powers hit he is thinking about that and so ends up with the ability to reach further.

Ben
Now we reach Ben, if you look at the normal history for Ben there is no way he would want to be turned into the Thing. 616 and even UFF Ben are tall, handsome, strong, tough, successful guys, Ben even protects Reed from bullies without the need for any powers. But when you switch Ben to being a short guy that got bullied by his brothers it fits better. Becoming the Thing makes him tough, strong, someone who can protect others from being bullied. For UFF and 616 the change was completly unwanted but with the film version there is a bit of wish fulfillment.

Its just a theory but its the sort of thing I could see the film makers finding cool, that on some level they all wanted the "disabilities" they were given, and that Ben had to be changed to make that fit.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ok I thought I would post an idea I have had for a while, its about why they decided to change Ben's history for the film. My thought that it wasn't simply that they thought theirs was more interesting that than the 616 and UFF but that the change was need to fit a "Vision" they had for the film, a vision that in some way all four characters in some way wanted the powers they get and that Ben's background had to be changed to fit that.

Johnny
I'll start with Johnny since he is where my theory is thinnest, mostly because we don't really know how they plan to show him. But I suspect that he is not all that happy at "Baxter", that he is there mostly because his Dad wants him there. He would probably prefer to be a pilot or astronaut or something like that, something with speed and excitement. His street racing is something his family doesn't approve of but its his way of rebelling. So when the powers hit he gets speed and flight and that sort of cool stuff.

Sue
For Sue I suspect they will have it that she feels like she is a bit of a second class member of the family due to being adopted, that she tends to be overlooked. She probably doesn't go on the mission due to being overlooked, the reason she gets the powers is that she is stuck in the lab alone due to being overlooked. You get the idea. So when the powers his the girl who feels invisible gets the ability to actually be invisible.

Reed
For Reed I think the reason for those powers is something we have seen lots of times in the trailers and tv spots, Doom's "death". When Doom falls we see Reed trying to save him, reaching out to grab him but not being able to reach far enough. So when the powers hit he is thinking about that and so ends up with the ability to reach further.

Ben
Now we reach Ben, if you look at the normal history for Ben there is no way he would want to be turned into the Thing. 616 and even UFF Ben are tall, handsome, strong, tough, successful guys, Ben even protects Reed from bullies without the need for any powers. But when you switch Ben to being a short guy that got bullied by his brothers it fits better. Becoming the Thing makes him tough, strong, someone who can protect others from being bullied. For UFF and 616 the change was completly unwanted but with the film version there is a bit of wish fulfillment.

Its just a theory but its the sort of thing I could see the film makers finding cool, that on some level they all wanted the "disabilities" they were given, and that Ben had to be changed to make that fit.

Since this is the kind of dumb, cheesy thing that people do with these things and since Kinberg is a dumb, cheesy writer, and since elements of this were touched on in the first film and since this film seems more based on the first film than any comic books . . .

I don't think there's even any question that some of this dumb thinking has been incorporated into the story.

 

[Orba]

Since this is the kind of dumb, cheesy thing that people do with these things and since Kinberg is a dumb, cheesy writer, and since elements of this were touched on in the first film and since this film seems more based on the first film than any comic books . . .

I don't think there's even any question that some of this dumb thinking has been incorporated into the story.

Hehe

 

[Orba]

Figured I would say this here rather than in the main thread since its maybe a bit tinfoil hatty and could get messy if I said it in the other thread. Now in the main thread we were talking about the release date confusion and I found

http://www.residententertainment.com/fantastic-four-australian-release-date/

which revealed that a bunch of dates seemed to have been moved forward on the 21st of April only to move back on the 25st of May. Now its quite possible that it was to try to avoid Mission Impossible dates, but what if it was an attempt by Fox to try to give an appearance of faith in the production. The week after the change the Trank Star Wars story came out, so what if the date change was them trying to look like they were happy with the production as the knew that the Star Wars story was about to hit. Then a month later when everything had quieted down they moved all the dates back, with them never really intending to have released on those dates.

As I said its probably a bit tinfoil hatty (a consequence of being a cynic at heart) which is why I said it here to avoid it being seen as provocative, but its just something that popped into my head.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Figured I would say this here rather than in the main thread since its maybe a bit tinfoil hatty and could get messy if I said it in the other thread. Now in the main thread we were talking about the release date confusion and I found

http://www.residententertainment.com/fantastic-four-australian-release-date/

which revealed that a bunch of dates seemed to have been moved forward on the 21st of April only to move back on the 25st of May. Now its quite possible that it was to try to avoid Mission Impossible dates, but what if it was an attempt by Fox to try to give an appearance of faith in the production. The week after the change the Trank Star Wars story came out, so what if the date change was them trying to look like they were happy with the production as the knew that the Star Wars story was about to hit. Then a month later when everything had quieted down they moved all the dates back, with them never really intending to have released on those dates.

As I said its probably a bit tinfoil hatty (a consequence of being a cynic at heart) which is why I said it here to avoid it being seen as provocative, but its just something that popped into my head.

My father once told me that incompetence is far more common and much more likely to be the cause of strange, difficult-to-explain events than conspiracies. When it comes to Fox and this production, I think there's a whole lot of incompetence to go around.

 

[wobbly]

What the...I'm not seeing it on his Tweets OR tweets & replies around the 14th.

That's weird. But there it is.

Honestly what kind of sap would actually buy it was meant to be green, they made it red for the main trailers, and then decided to finally change it to green?

How gullible would a person have to be?

Oh, there's a few around here who do or will beleive him no matter how illogical or utterly nonsensical he may be, or whatever evidence refutes his claims entirely. #Truth.

 

[Orba]

My father once told me that incompetence is far more common and much more likely to be the cause of strange, difficult-to-explain events than conspiracies. When it comes to Fox and this production, I think there's a whole lot of incompetence to go around.

Very true. As I said, its was just a thought that popped into my head over them moving all those dates then moving them all back a month later

 

[C. Lee]

My father once told me that incompetence is far more common and much more likely to be the cause of strange, difficult-to-explain events than conspiracies. When it comes to Fox and this production, I think there's a whole lot of incompetence to go around.

Yep.....while there are conspiracies that exist.....for the most part, if you see something weird happen, it's more likely caused from someone farting and sneezing at the same time as they are typing on their computer than from the CEO's of a hundred corporations secretly meeting in Amsterdam planning the downfall of your high school principal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The red looked a lot better. The green stuff looks like ooze to me. Ooze that's been cheaply inserted onto the shot, and doesn't even match what's on screen.

If it was green from the beginning, it they planned and shot for it to be green, it might have looked better. But now, it just looks inserted and awful.