The FFINO ZONE

[spideyboy_1111]

so saw the new spot where Sue says the military basically held them captive.... wheeeeee i hate this film

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

so saw the new spot where Sue says the military basically held them captive.... wheeeeee i hate this film

...and, of course, Tim Story did it in ROTSS.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

...and, of course, Tim Story did it in ROTSS.

Yeah but this is grounded.

 

[starscream22]

Also... when the **** do soldiers ever stand all grouped in one spot like that? I mean, use some common sense, a single grenade could take them out. They've got plenty of room to spread out. Someone with no concept of military tactics designed this scene.

They literally all fell like domino's! LMAO!!!

Trank, I thank you!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah but this is grounded.

That's what drives me crazy. The Fantastic Four should actually be 'grounded' when it comes to people and how they act, but it should be fantastic in terms of the things they experience.

But we're getting the opposite of that. We're not seeing anything fantastic in terms of settings, creatures etc. and the people don't act like real people. Military people - despite how they're portrayed in films - often have real senses of right and wrong and they believe in the principles of freedom on which this country was founded. They wouldn't keep US citizens captive and use them against their will as 'weapons'.

The whole premise is just idiotic.

As Spideyboy so eloquently said: "wheeeeee i hate this film"

 

[Zarex]

That's what drives me crazy. The Fantastic Four should actually be 'grounded' when it comes to people and how they act, but it should be fantastic in terms of the things they experience.

But we're getting the opposite of that. We're not seeing anything fantastic in terms of settings, creatures etc. and the people don't act like real people. Military people - despite how they're portrayed in films - often have real senses of right and wrong and they believe in the principles of freedom on which this country was founded. They wouldn't keep US citizens captive and use them against their will as 'weapons'.

The whole premise is just idiotic.

As Spideyboy so eloquently said: "wheeeeee i hate this film"

It's as though Trank and Kinberg got the "Things I want to see in the FF reboot" column mixed up with the "Things I absolutely don't want to see in the FF reboot" after polling long time fans.

I was certain after the reboot was announced (within 24 hours of the Disney purchase) that this would be a "soft" one ala The Incredible Hulk. Bring in an all new cast, add Franklin and Valeria to the mix and have the entire team go off on a "Fantastic" adventure. I guess the joke's on all of us.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's as though Trank and Kinberg got the "Things I want to see in the FF reboot" column mixed up with the "Things I absolutely don't want to see in the FF reboot" after polling long time fans.

I was certain after the reboot was announced (within 24 hours of the Disney purchase) that this would be a "soft" one ala The Incredible Hulk. Bring in an all new cast, add Franklin and Valeria to the mix and have the entire team go off on a "Fantastic" adventure. I guess the joke's on all of us.

It really does seem like everything about this is wrong and nothing about it is right. And, yes, to get that many things wrong, it almost seems like it would have to be a conscious effort.

How do you repeat so many of the previous mistakes? How do you make the second origin film out of 3 films? How do you get casting and production design so wrong?

It almost implies an understanding of how to do it right so they could do everything the opposite of how it should be. It's like when George on Seinfeld did everything the opposite of what he would normally do.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah but this is grounded.

They are grounded they are real people they don't wear masks they are not like any other superheroes they were regular people with regular problems thrown into this huge world of being superheroes that's what makes them different from everybody else don't see what's so hard about getting that. They're probably the most grounded of any of the superheroes out there. the only one that was really enormously gifted was reed. It seems so simple to me.

 

[Quasar]

It really does seem like everything about this is wrong and nothing about it is right. And, yes, to get that many things wrong, it almost seems like it would have to be a conscious effort.

How do you repeat so many of the previous mistakes? How do you make the second origin film out of 3 films? How do you get casting and production design so wrong?

It almost implies an understanding of how to do it right so they could do everything the opposite of how it should be. It's like when George on Seinfeld did everything the opposite of what he would normally do.

It's simple, really. Your movie's already written for you. Just recast the roles, give them a new look, throw in a few new "jokes", recycle a thrown out idea like Juggernaut drop, and bam!, whole new movie to sell to the masses...

 

[starscream22]

It's simple, really. Your movie's already written for you. Just recast the roles, give them a new look, throw in a few new "jokes", recycle a thrown out idea like Juggernaut drop, and bam!, whole new movie to sell to the masses...

It'll make most of its money back and Fox keeps the rights. Which was clearly their plan in first place.

 

[RAE072]

so saw the new spot where Sue says the military basically held them captive.... wheeeeee i hate this film

Haaaaaaaaaahaaha!

I think I just coughed up blood.

Man I wish this thread didn't exist so I could see people defending this, like I know they would.

 

[marvelmadness13]

Haaaaaaaaaahaaha!

I think I just coughed up blood.

Man I wish this thread didn't exist so I could see people defending this, like I know they would.

Even if they admit it's a horrible film overall, they still want it to be very successful so it gets a sequel.

 

[Quasar]

Of course! Everything will get fixed in the sequel!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Of course! Everything will get fixed in the sequel!

. . . which will feature Reed and Sue's wedding, a mysterious 'Silver Surfer' and approaching ominous cloud . . . can our intrepid heroes find away to battle this new foe . . . or will they be too busy battling an old foe who has found a way to take advantage of the situation?

 

[Zarex]

Planning a Wedding + Superheroes = BO Gold

 

[Flint Marko]

There is no excuse for what theyve done to the Thing.

 

[Dark Raven]

But Galactus will be a cloud server this time round where Sue's naughty pics are stored.

 

[Quasar]

She made her face invisible so you can't be sure it's really her.

 

[Dark Raven]

FFINO sounds like one of these organisations like FEMA, which exists as a response to disasters, of which this movie seems to be one.

 

[Marvolo]

I really dont understand why there is an issue with The Thing. Its the one "problem" that I jut dont take issue with. Does a rock man need a penis and testicles? No. He doesnt. And since he doesnt have those he doesnt need pants.

Could be wrong, but I think in this movie Ben is more or less just had the rock cover him. It makes since that the rock would cover his genitals. Its not as if he should be expected to grow a 9 inch penis shaped rock and boulders between his legs. I guess this is the rationalization of his voice as well. His vocal cords and internal parts are tissue instead of rock so his voice shouldn't be gravilly and rough.

 

[Krystal]

Right! That's his disability. He wasn't turned into rock--the rocks are just growing on the surface. So since Bell is 5'7 and the Thing in the movie is 8 foot so since the rocks are on his exterior--ergo, he has a one foot layer of rock on his head and is walking on a foot thick layer under the soles of his feet. A thick layer of rock causes you to grow in height from 5'7 to 8 feet tall. It all makes sense

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I really dont understand why there is an issue with The Thing. Its the one "problem" that I jut dont take issue with. Does a rock man need a penis and testicles? No. He doesnt. And since he doesnt have those he doesnt need pants.

Could be wrong, but I think in this movie Ben is more or less just had the rock cover him. It makes since that the rock would cover his genitals. Its not as if he should be expected to grow a 9 inch penis shaped rock and boulders between his legs. I guess this is the rationalization of his voice as well. His vocal cords and internal parts are tissue instead of rock so his voice shouldn't be gravilly and rough.

My biggest problem is this:

Is The Thing. That's the character I fell in love with as a kid.

This:

Is a generic rock monster that bears a very superficial resemblance to the Thing but doesn't have the key design features - Defined, blocky brow, huge, broad mouth in round face, tiny nose, smooth, regular rocky plates, three fingers plus thumb and 4 toes - that have defined the Thing for the past 50 years.

In addition, yes, he looks stupid without shorts and without a penis and the CGI animation looks pretty amateur, but those are relatively minor complaints compared to the poor design that could have and should have been much closer to the traditional look of the Thing.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I really dont understand why there is an issue with The Thing. Its the one "problem" that I jut dont take issue with. Does a rock man need a penis and testicles? No. He doesnt. And since he doesnt have those he doesnt need pants.

Could be wrong, but I think in this movie Ben is more or less just had the rock cover him. It makes since that the rock would cover his genitals. Its not as if he should be expected to grow a 9 inch penis shaped rock and boulders between his legs. I guess this is the rationalization of his voice as well. His vocal cords and internal parts are tissue instead of rock so his voice shouldn't be gravilly and rough.

So his penis is retractable like a dog's? Interesting.

People who don't get the complaint about naked Thing do not understand the character of Ben Grimm. He would never walk around like an animal in this fashion. It's bad enough his humanity is stolen but emasculated as well? And he advertises it to the world? This is pure Josh Trank who spent his allowance on Blockbuster and not on comics and wants to "teach us all something" because that's why he was sent here.

 

[Quasar]

So his penis is retractable like a dog's? Interesting.

People who don't get the complaint about naked Thing do not understand the character of Ben Grimm. He would never walk around like an animal in this fashion. It's bad enough his humanity is stolen but emasculated as well? And he advertises it to the world? This is pure Josh Trank who spent his allowance on Blockbuster and not on comics and wants to "teach us all something" because that's why he was sent here.

I believe what Marvolo is saying is that Ben Grimm is wearing a rock suit, so there's no reason he'd have exposed genitals. He's like Iron Man, only the suit's rock instead of iron. The voice not changing would seem to reinforce that he hasn't phycially changed.

If he was encased in rock, I can understand why he'd be tougher, but I don't know why he'd be stronger. He'd still have the same human muscles. If anything, you'd assume he wouldn't be able to move at all, with tons of rock all over his body.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So his penis is retractable like a dog's? Interesting.

People who don't get the complaint about naked Thing do not understand the character of Ben Grimm. He would never walk around like an animal in this fashion. It's bad enough his humanity is stolen but emasculated as well? And he advertises it to the world? This is pure Josh Trank who spent his allowance on Blockbuster and not on comics and wants to "teach us all something" because that's why he was sent here.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with the idea that the transformation might have left him that way, but how would Ben react?

He would look down, be embarrassed and want to cover up. He wouldn't just walk around showing the world.

Despite the claims, this film is anything but 'grounded and gritty' unlike the real Fantastic Four - who acted much like we would imagine real people might in the situation they were in - the characters in this film don't feel real in any way.