The FFINO ZONE

[Zarex]

Here's the other thing about this scene... the turret hits at least some of those soldiers standing there. Its not like Thing is throwing the turret at another tank. These guys have no protection.

So... is Thing straight up murdering / killing people?

Benji would be in a heap of trouble if that turret didn't disappear!

It appears as though the fights scenes will include:

The four battling an overwhelmed (foreign?) military force.
And just like the Story films, ganging up against their similarly powered former colleague.

Fant4stic!

 

[metaphysician]

Here's the other thing about this scene... the turret hits at least some of those soldiers standing there. Its not like Thing is throwing the turret at another tank. These guys have no protection.

So... is Thing straight up murdering / killing people?

Nah, he's just causing them to gently fall backwards.

 

[Quasar]

The bright flash of the disappearing tank turret temporarily blinds and disorients them.

 

[RAE072]

It's the kind of fiery explosion of metal and death that only mildly stuns a target.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm now just noticing how those guys getting a tank thrown at them and exploding are casually falling down.

LOL! That's more hilarious than the bad special effects.

Almost as bad as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdniWncWu4

 

[Krystal]

By the way.....

The 10 shortest Comic book movies since 2000.....

Elektra------------96 minutes
FF: RotSS--------91 min
Jonah Hex--------81 min
Catwoman-------104 min
Daredevil---------103 min--------theatrical
X-Men: LS--------104 min
Spirit--------------103 min
Ghost Rider 2-----95 min
X-Men-------------104 min
Punisher 2--------103 min

Which of these is a critical hit?
....a commercial hit?
....spawned sequels or additional sequels?

The only one that can say yes to all three is X-Men
Last Stand did make money, but wasn't a critical hit or responsible for more sequels getting made.

The rest..........

So don't tell me that run time is no factor in CBM success or failure--virtually ALL the short ones are flops.

And sure, a few long CBM movies are flops as well. But going by percentage--it's a big indicator.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

By the way.....

The 10 shortest Comic book movies since 2000.....

Elektra------------96 minutes
FF: RotSS--------91 min
Jonah Hex--------81 min
Catwoman-------104 min
Daredevil---------103 min--------theatrical
X-Men: LS--------104 min
Spirit--------------103 min
Ghost Rider 2-----95 min
X-Men-------------104 min
Punisher 2--------103 min

Which of these is a critical hit?
....a commercial hit?
....spawned sequels or additional sequels?

The only one that can say yes to all three is X-Men
Last Stand did make money, but wasn't a critical hit or responsible for more sequels getting made.

The rest..........

So don't tell me that run time is no factor in CBM success or failure--virtually ALL the short ones are flops.

And sure, a few long CBM movies are flops as well. But going by percentage--it's a big indicator.

Huh, never noticed that. That's quite the correlation.

 

[Krystal]

I mean those run times mean different things.

The Daredevil was a case of the studio having no faith and taking a decent movie and making it really short "fast-paced." I think the director's cut is pretty good.

Some like the first X-Men were simply the studio not knowing how a CBM would be received and making it pretty small and unambitious.

Some were sequels where they were just cashing in on the first one and not willing to spend money--just hopefully make a quick buck.

I'm sure a few were--as I suspect in the case of FFINO----were more ambitious in the run time but when the studio saw the results---they knew it needed to be butchered to have a chance.

Like Superman 4 was a 2+ hour movie and when WB saw it they cut it to 87 minutes!!!!
Here we have trank saying it's going to be 2+ hours and now it's 107?
WITH reshoots added in?

That clearly means they took out large parts of the movie---MORE than 25 minutes, since Trank said 2 to 2 hours and 10 minutes. So that's 25 minutes cut and since the reshoots comprise at least several minutes.....

that means even more than 25 minutes of trank's original version were cut and some replaced with the new material.

So, 30 or so minutes of footage that HE thought would be in the final cut when he gave that interview are gone! Probably never to be seen by the public.

 

[Dark Raven]

I keep thinking this thread is "The Friend Zone (in name only)", which is what it really is when you are friend zoned. It is in name only, because the opposite sex probably doesn't even want your friendship but is too afraid to tell you, so they let you think that you can just be friends. It should really be renamed "The Acquaintance Zone."

 

[Kelly]

I keep thinking this thread is "The Friend Zone (in name only)", which is what it really is when you are friend zoned. It is in name only, because the opposite sex probably doesn't even want your friendship but is too afraid to tell you, so they let you think that you can just be friends. It should really be renamed "The Acquaintance Zone."

You think waaaaaaaaaay too much....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

By the way.....

The 10 shortest Comic book movies since 2000.....

Elektra------------96 minutes
FF: RotSS--------91 min
Jonah Hex--------81 min
Catwoman-------104 min
Daredevil---------103 min--------theatrical
X-Men: LS--------104 min
Spirit--------------103 min
Ghost Rider 2-----95 min
X-Men-------------104 min
Punisher 2--------103 min

Which of these is a critical hit?
....a commercial hit?
....spawned sequels or additional sequels?

The only one that can say yes to all three is X-Men
Last Stand did make money, but wasn't a critical hit or responsible for more sequels getting made.

The rest..........

So don't tell me that run time is no factor in CBM success or failure--virtually ALL the short ones are flops.

And sure, a few long CBM movies are flops as well. But going by percentage--it's a big indicator.

Yep, very interesting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's the other thing about this scene... the turret hits at least some of those soldiers standing there. Its not like Thing is throwing the turret at another tank. These guys have no protection.

So... is Thing straight up murdering / killing people?

Yep, and whether he intended to kill them or not, there's certainly no way you can throw a turret at a bunch of people without the very real possibility that some or all of them will be mortally wounded.

That really is a very ugly concept - the Fantastic Four using their powers to kill normal people.

 

[RAE072]

Yep, and whether he intended to kill them or not, there's certainly no way you can throw a turret at a bunch of people without the very real possibility that some or all of them will be mortally wounded.

That really is a very ugly concept - the Fantastic Four using their powers to kill normal people.

Grim, gritty, realistic.

"This ain't your dad's FF" and so on and so forth.

 

[cronosred]

Yep, and whether he intended to kill them or not, there's certainly no way you can throw a turret at a bunch of people without the very real possibility that some or all of them will be mortally wounded.

That really is a very ugly concept - the Fantastic Four using their powers to kill normal people.

It reminds me of the first Story film when Thing throws a car at Doom sending them both crashing into a moving bus which ends up skidding towards a group of people.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It reminds me of the first Story film when Thing throws a car at Doom sending them both crashing into a moving bus which ends up skidding towards a group of people.

Yeah, but I think even in that case you could argue he was aiming at Doom and being careless and not thinking enough about innocent bystanders. In this case, he seems to be intentionally targeting a group of 'soldiers' - who are likely a bunch of kids who happened to choose the wrong side.

I guess we can see how they justify it in the movie, but since he seems fairly invincible, it doesn't seem like they're even presenting any real threat to him.

 

[cronosred]

Yeah, but I think even in that case you could argue he was aiming at Doom and being careless and not thinking enough about innocent bystanders.

It was one of the things I really hated about that film. Not only did he not put any thought into it but he didn't even come across as remorseful about it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It was one of the things I really hated about that film. Not only did he not put any thought into it but he didn't even come across as remorseful about it.

I agree. There were a lot of really clumsy elements to that film that the script-writers and director never seemed to put much thought into. On the bridge, Ben creates a mess that endangers many lives . . . and then the FF 'save' everyone from a mess they created.

Then they create a super-villain and save everyone from him.

I suspect this film will be similarly clumsy - including the creation of Doom and the subsequent need to save everybody from him.

 

[Kelly]

I agree. There were a lot of really clumsy elements to that film that the script-writers and director never seemed to put much thought into. On the bridge, Ben creates a mess that endangers many lives . . . and then the FF 'save' everyone from a mess they created.

Then they create a super-villain and save everyone from him.

I suspect this film will be similarly clumsy - including the creation of Doom and the subsequent need to save everybody from him.

They didn't have time to think of those things....the final battle was a reshoot...What we got was what Story wanted in the beginning, maybe had they allowed him to do it from the start they could have thought about those details, instead they shoot the entire movie, and then realize that the final battle they had sucked, so they went back to Story's idea. The actors almost froze their butts off filming that scene.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They didn't have time to think of those things....the final battle was a reshoot...What we got was what Story wanted in the beginning, maybe had they allowed him to do it from the start they could have thought about those details, instead they shoot the entire movie, and then realize that the final battle they had sucked, so they went back to Story's idea. The actors almost froze their butts off filming that scene.

Well that explains the reshoots on this film. Tim Story did it, so they have to do it on this film as well.

 

[Quasar]

Hope that doesn't mean the sequel is all but guaranteed, since Story had one too.

 

[RAE072]

Hope that doesn't mean the sequel is all but guaranteed, since Story had one too.

Nah, landscape is much different now than it was 10 years ago.

"Good enough" mostly doesn't cut it anymore.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Hope that doesn't mean the sequel is all but guaranteed, since Story had one too.

The first FF came at a time before Fox had sucked all the life out of the franchise when people still liked the Fantastic Four (this forum was crazy with excitement prior to the first film - now it's just a depressing wasteland). The first film made $155 M domestic and $330 M worldwide on a budget of $100 M.

I don't see any credible projections that put this film anywhere near that high. Most projections have it in the $115-$125 domestic range which would make it the lowest grossing of the three FF films.

I've been pretty much bracing myself for a sequel from the beginning - figuring they're spending so little on this that they'll make enough to justify a sequel.

But if we do see, as all projections suggest, a steady pattern in which each new FF film makes less money than the one before, I think it will be a hard-sell to the executives at Fox to continue.

We can all clearly see that Fox just plain doesn't understand the FF. But while the people at Fox don't understand the FF, they do understand spreadsheets, and I can't imagine executives looking at three successive films with declining grosses on each and green-lighting a sequel.

. . . but that's what my rational brain tells me. My irrational brain - which has suffered through three failures - tells me Fox will just continue to torture me until I die.

 

[Quasar]

Some recent talk about FF toys got me thinking about the old Toy Biz toys I used to buy at Toys R Us (Spider-man, FF & Iron Man). I found a link (I don't think it has all of them because there's no Mr. Fantastic there), but it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://www.cmdstore.com/fafoanse.html

I need to pull my box out of the basement to see all the ones that I have. I don't think I have any of the Inhumans (they must have come out after I stopped visiting Toy R Us), but I definitely remember having 3 of the 4 FF (the Invisible Woman was only a clear figure. personally I thought they should have the clear figure included with a regular figure of her as her "prop"), Doom, 1 of the 2 Silver Surfers, Super Skrull, Blastaar, Dragon Man, Attuma (I'm pretty sure). Don't remember if I have Namor or Psycho Man. I do have a big Galactus which isn't pictured. And I think I have Thanos, which also isn't picture. Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to dig out my box!

While searching, I saw some other figures like Wizard, so I think I'm going to have to track them down to add to my collection.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Some recent talk about FF toys got me thinking about the old Toy Biz toys I used to buy at Toys R Us (Spider-man, FF & Iron Man). I found a link (I don't think it has all of them because there's no Mr. Fantastic there), but it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://www.cmdstore.com/fafoanse.html

I need to pull my box out of the basement to see all the ones that I have. I don't think I have any of the Inhumans (they must have come out after I stopped visiting Toy R Us), but I definitely remember having 3 of the 4 FF (the Invisible Woman was only a clear figure. personally I thought they should have the clear figure included with a regular figure of her as her "prop"), Doom, 1 of the 2 Silver Surfers, Super Skrull, Blastaar, Dragon Man, Attuma (I'm pretty sure). Don't remember if I have Namor or Psycho Man. I do have a big Galactus which isn't pictured. And I think I have Thanos, which also isn't picture. Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to dig out my box!

While searching, I saw some other figures like Wizard, so I think I'm going to have to track them down to add to my collection.

I believe I have every figure they made in that series still in the original packages.

 

[Dark Raven]

They didn't have time to think of those things....the final battle was a reshoot...What we got was what Story wanted in the beginning, maybe had they allowed him to do it from the start they could have thought about those details, instead they shoot the entire movie, and then realize that the final battle they had sucked, so they went back to Story's idea. The actors almost froze their butts off filming that scene.

I thought it was that they thought their final battle was acceptable, but that was the same year that the Incredibles came out, and they out-Fantastic Foured them, so Fox needed to ramp things up a little.