The FFINO ZONE

[wobbly]

not of comic merch they don't, only when it's movie tie-ins

Sorry, tie-in merch was what I meant there.

eh... the comic brand to my knowledge is not separate licensing. Hasbro for instance has the whole marvel library (aside from a few special cases) to make toys out of... it's always been that way... but it's been years since the last Fantastic Four toy was made.. and all of the X-men lines of figures have been exclusives.

even some of the X-men made it into the SuperHero Mashers of toys.. but none of the Fantastic four have or did.

there's certainly something going on, and you'd have to be blind not to see it.. you also don't change artwork on t-shirts and remove the Mutants and F4 from all promotional material if there wasn't... (see marvels new Marvel Universe poster) the x-men and F4 are very noticeably absent, and that is from the company it's self.

Hasbro gives very vague answers like "well we can do those characters, but we are really just concentrating on the other marvel properties right now...

and to make matters more awkward... the captain america Civil War legends line, is coming with an Onslaught Red Skull figure who the avengers fought when the team was made up of half X-men... but they "arn't allowed" to include a Magneto Helmeted head for onslaught because "we arn't allowed to cross brands" last i checked... 90% of the body is an iconic X-men villain... i don't see why the body is allowed but an alternate head that resembles magneto's helmet is not (especially when it's a tiny pack-in) and Onslaught Red Skull is the epitome of a "cross branded character" in it's conception. it's all BS

This goes back to what I was getting at regarding Disney making money directly from Fox from this: Marvel won't do anything within their control to promote the fox flicks via direct tie-ins or comic related stuff. That much is obvious from zero tie-in merch and the obvious omissions of Fox held characters from other non tie-in merch.

But...With TV adverts they are already made by Fox and ready for broadcast. Fox is gonna pay someone to show them, so if Disney can make money from it (and like many of us aint been impressed by the trailers and tv spots) it's not a bad business move to take a few million off Fox from it. Someone will air them regardless, so Disney may as well be among those relieving Fox of some of that advert cash they are splashing about.

It's a win win for them. If the adverts make bugger all difference to the films success they have the millions Fox paid for the ads. If they do make a difference they get a better return from their cut of the movie box office, as well as the advert money.

Personally, the TV spots I've seen (only one on actual tv so far, the rest via youtube) don't have me thinking they are gonna make a vast difference one way or another.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sorry, tie-in merch was what I meant there.



This goes back to what I was getting at regarding Disney making money directly from Fox from this: Marvel won't do anything within their control to promote the fox flicks via direct tie-ins or comic related stuff. That much is obvious from zero tie-in merch and the obvious omissions of Fox held characters from other non tie-in merch.

But...With TV adverts they are already made by Fox and ready for broadcast. Fox is gonna pay someone to show them, so if Disney can make money from it (and like many of us aint been impressed by the trailers and tv spots) it's not a bad business move to take a few million off Fox from it. Someone will air them regardless, so Disney may as well be among those relieving Fox of some of that advert cash they are splashing about.

It's a win win for them. If the adverts make bugger all difference to the films success they have the millions Fox paid for the ads. If they do make a difference they get a better return from their cut of the movie box office, as well as the advert money.

Personally, the TV spots I've seen (only one on actual tv so far, the rest via youtube) don't have me thinking they are gonna make a vast difference one way or another.

i just don't see how it's a win-win for them... sure they're making money.. but by doing so.. also getting their viewers interested in the film.. that they don't seem to want to succeed. Seems counter-productive to me. That's the whole reason they're avoiding X-men and Fantastic Four brand merchandising of comic stuff.. it's free publicity to support the film for fox, and FOX makes no money of that kinda merch.

unless Disney/Marvel is so confident this movie will fail, that they did it in good faith for a working relationship with them later

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

i just don't see how it's a win-win for them... sure they're making money.. but by doing so.. also getting their viewers interested in the film.. that they don't seem to want to succeed. Seems counter-productive to me. That's the whole reason they're avoiding X-men and Fantastic Four brand merchandising of comic stuff.. it's free publicity to support the film for fox, and FOX makes no money of that kinda merch.

unless Disney/Marvel is so confident this movie will fail, that they did it in good faith for a working relationship with them later

But keep in mind also that unlike other things, Disney doesn't have the ability to make these commercials not exist. If they turn them away, Fox will just take the commercials to someone else and they'll still get aired. The only real difference is the money will be going in someone else's pocket.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But keep in mind also that unlike other things, Disney doesn't have the ability to make these commercials not exist. If they turn them away, Fox will just take the commercials to someone else and they'll still get aired. The only real difference is the money will be going in someone else's pocket.

but you also have to keep in mind the key demographic the disney channel's audience is...

there's really only 3 major networks for a childrens demo... Disney, Nick, and The Hub. I'd put Cartoon Network on that list but it's a shared demo of kids, teens and adult, unlike the others which is mostly kids... Cartoon Network i'd lump with ABC family..

anywho... point is... losing a major network geared towards children helps lessen that demo. not to mention hearing stuff like "Fantastic Four is a Proud Sponsor of the Disney Channel" makes it seem like this film is indeed part of Marvel Studios.. and adds confusion too

 

[TalismanRing]

The big Marvel logo on posters and the banner in front of the trailers and movies causes far more confusion than ads being run on Disney when most people don't even know Disney owns Marvel.

Though considering how Trank, Kinsberg and the cast made a point of saying this movie, unlike the first two, was NOT meant for children the advertising on shows geared toward children makes one wonder.

 

[Orba]

The big Marvel logo on posters and the banner in front of the trailers and movies causes far more confusion than ads being run on Disney when most people don't even know Disney owns Marvel.

Though considering how Trank, Kinsberg and the cast made a point of saying this movie, unlike the first two, was NOT meant for children the advertising on shows geared toward children makes one wonder.

Yeah for me there seems to be a real disconnect between the makers and cast who talk about it not being for kids, being gritty and grounded, being a body horror, serious (Interstellar inspired) trailers etc, and Fox sticking tv spots on Disney XD and the Cartoon Network. Fox and the makers of the film description of the film seem at odds with each other and I can't help but feel that someone viewers are going to end up disappointed as its not the film they were expecting to see. I mean if kids go in there expecting something fun and exciting and they get a serious scifi they are going to be bored out of their minds.

 

[Dr Tactics]

but you also have to keep in mind the key demographic the disney channel's audience is...

there's really only 3 major networks for a childrens demo... Disney, Nick, and The Hub. I'd put Cartoon Network on that list but it's a shared demo of kids, teens and adult, unlike the others which is mostly kids... Cartoon Network i'd lump with ABC family..

anywho... point is... losing a major network geared towards children helps lessen that demo. not to mention hearing stuff like "Fantastic Four is a Proud Sponsor of the Disney Channel" makes it seem like this film is indeed part of Marvel Studios.. and adds confusion too

Look everyone has to realize it's a business. Disney will take Fox's Ad money and their 10% of the box office and still watch it fail. If it does fail as expected Fox can't point the finger of blame of any kind to Marvel/Disney for the Flop. Its best that Marvel play it they way they are

 

[Val_Zod]

If Sony kept moving forward with their Spidey Universe, which film do you guys think would have less buzz moving in to release? FFINO or Sinister Six?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If Sony kept moving forward with their Spidey Universe, which film do you guys think would have less buzz moving in to release? FFINO or Sinister Six?

fantastic four, no contest... Spidey still didn't really flop financially... and it's spider-man related... of course it would be packed to the brim of advertising.

 

[Quasar]

I'm guessing this must be the cover that inspired baseball Ben Grimm for the movie...

 

[P Supreme]

Hated it this ever since the Doom pics leaked, he just looked awful and
the Cast is good ironically but this movie looks horrid at every glimpse

feel bad for everyone involved I bet when the signed on to do a fantastic four movie they were excited until they received the scripts lol

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm guessing this must be the cover that inspired baseball Ben Grimm for the movie...

Not to appear too geeky, but that's actually not Ben. It's Reed from an alternate Earth in which Reed was the one who changed to the Thing.

 

[Orba]

Has there been anything going on lately on twitter, looking at the tracking on BoxOffice the numbers seemed to be dropping, when I looked earlier todays numbers were actually 0:1.

Date # Tweets Pos:Neg Ratio
Jul 22, 2015 1836 1:1
Jul 21, 2015 3823 2:1
Jul 20, 2015 3998 3:1

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Has there been anything going on lately on twitter, looking at the tracking on BoxOffice the numbers seemed to be dropping, when I looked earlier todays numbers were actually 0:1.

Date # Tweets Pos:Neg Ratio
Jul 22, 2015 1836 1:1
Jul 21, 2015 3823 2:1
Jul 20, 2015 3998 3:1

Just the steady flow of repackaged crap in the commercials we're seeing.

There are probably more people becoming aware of the film with these commercials getting widespread distribution, but since the commercials stink I can't imagine people are getting excited.

 

[RAE072]

Has there been anything going on lately on twitter, looking at the tracking on BoxOffice the numbers seemed to be dropping, when I looked earlier todays numbers were actually 0:1.

Date # Tweets Pos:Neg Ratio
Jul 22, 2015 1836 1:1
Jul 21, 2015 3823 2:1
Jul 20, 2015 3998 3:1

There was a spike the other day recently to like 19:1, but I'm not really sure why.

But then it plummeted the next day to 3:1

 

[Krystal]

Remember when Fox told us how much bigger and better the second movie was going to be--especially since the origin was out of the way.

Then we got multiple battle sequences, the Watcher observing the FF in their opening battle with the Frightful Four and later warning them of the coming of G, and Galactus striding the roof of the Baxter Building oblivious to the human gnats and debating the Watcher on the morality of his plan for Earth, Alicia turning the Surfer to humanity's side and the great SS vs. Galactus battle, Johnny on his mission to find the ultimate nullifier, while all the while Doom observes and plots. Then the awesome ending where the FF triumph and Galactus leaves and exiles the Surfer to earth!!

It was awesome!!!!!---in my mind until I realized they had lied to us and were turning the first great comic epic into a pathetic 80 minute movie where the biggest action sequence is FF vs. a Ferris wheel.

BUT I TRUST FOX THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zarex]

Not to appear too geeky, but that's actually not Ben. It's Reed from an alternate Earth in which Reed was the one who changed to the Thing.

I remember my younger self being steamed at the cowardly "Thing" running away from the fight with Arkon - he would never do that! - until Alicia finds the real Ben safe and secure in the Baxter building.

I can just imagine how steamed I would get sitting through a showing of FFINO.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I remember my younger self being steamed at the cowardly "Thing" running away from the fight with Arkon - he would never do that! - until Alicia finds the real Ben safe and secure in the Baxter building.

I can just imagine how steamed I would get sitting through a showing of FFINO.

Remember the part at the end of the story where alternate Johnny was some sort of galactic hockey goalie? That's why we can't say: "It was in the comics, so it's okay to include it in the film." Sometimes comic-book writers and artists do weird things. Just because someone, somewhere drew something doesn't make it representative of the key elements of the Fantastic Four.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Gotta love the internet. Just think of something and it's at your finger-tips:

 

[Quasar]

Not to appear too geeky, but that's actually not Ben. It's Reed from an alternate Earth in which Reed was the one who changed to the Thing.

Ha, I didn't know that! That actually explains a continuity error I thought I'd spotted way back when from a few issues later, when a powerless Ben accuses Reed of replacing him with the Reed Richards of Counter Earth, who had transformed into the Thing, only to find out that it was really a Thing suit for Ben to wear. Then a few issues later, after the FF went to Counter Earth, it was revealed that the Reed Richards of CE was transformed into the Brute during the events that transpired while the FF were there. (Maybe I'm mis-remembering that both instances referred to Counter Earth). I was like, if Reed didn't transform until after they went there, how did they know about him before that? Anyway, good to know!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ha, I didn't know that! That actually explains a continuity error I thought I'd spotted way back when from a few issues later, when a powerless Ben accuses Reed of replacing him with the Reed Richards of Counter Earth, who had transformed into the Thing, only to find out that it was really a Thing suit for Ben to wear. Then a few issues later, after the FF went to Counter Earth, it was revealed that the Reed Richards of CE was transformed into the Brute during the events that transpired while the FF were there. (Maybe I'm mis-remembering that both instances referred to Counter Earth). I was like, if Reed didn't transform until after they went there, how did they know about him before that? Anyway, good to know!

I believe "Thing-Reed" was from an Earth different than Counter Earth (The High Evolutionary's Earth, right?). I don't remember what that alternate was called, but we're talking about three different and unique Reed Richards with one being the one we know, one who became The Thing, and one who transforms into The Brute (from Counter Earth).

 

[Quasar]

Yup, the High Evolutionary was hanging out there, and the big kerfuffle was with Galactus showing up.

 

[Quasar]

I just read a synopsis of FF #163, and they're calling the home of "Thing-Reed" Earth-A.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I just read a synopsis of FF #163, and they're calling the home of "Thing-Reed" as Earth-A.

I believe the idea was that Earth-A was in an alternate dimension as opposed to Counter Earth which is in our actual Solar System but on the opposite side of the Sun.

. . . but I'm really taxing my memory here, and even when they first came out, it took me a couple readings to figure out what was going on.

 

[Quasar]

Yeah, Counter Earth is on the other side of the sun. I just looked up the first couple of panels of FF #170 where Reed brought in the Thing Suit, and Ben refers to "the Reed Richards of that alternate earth place" and not Counter Earth as I was remembering.