The Flash The Flash, Season 1, Episode 8 "Flash vs. Arrow"

[The Caped Knight]

Can't wait to see this team-up!

 

[Mr.X]

I think Oliver beating Barry is really reasonable to me. From what was seen in the promo, Oliver isn't rushing in to fight Barry with regular arrows and hand-to-hand. He's actually being smart and using trick arrows to throw Barry off and catch him by surprise. And leading speedsters in traps or catching them off-guard/by surprise are ways to beat them, so I can see Oliver winning tbh.

Yeah, Barry's speed gives him a huge speed advantage and power over lots of his opponents, but he's still only human and can't see everything at once, so he can get surprised and knocked out if he's not paying attention. I don't read comics but I think that's true of the flash in the comics as well. Any speedster actually.

 

[Frodo]

Eh, if I'm being honest, Flash would beat Green Arrow. If he really got speed he could kill him just by running into him. Yeah , he's not a fighter but Arrow is a human. Flash is almost god power wise. For me, having Arrow beat Flash would really be stretching it and possibly putting him on Batman's level, which he's not. If he could really beat Flash, and I mean without help , it kinda becomes a slippery slope which then means he could take on other characters like Wonder Woman, Superman(yes I know he shoots the kryptonite arrow in TDKR), Green Lantern, at which point people would laugh in your face. Sorry , that's how I feel.

That said, there are ways they could write it to give Arrow the edge over Flash but it's gotta be believable. Snyder is gonna run into the same thing with BvS, but I think you'd have alot more of the GA at least who could see it as closer to two equals fighting each other.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I'm pretty sure the "fight" is going to end in a draw between them.

We have to remember that Barry isn't going to be "himself" during this encounter, so I'm assuming that he'll regain control over himself at the climax of the fight, which I believe will be when Oliver's trick arrow explodes behind Barry.

Also, there was a moment revealed in the trailer where we see Oliver jokingly asking Barry on them wanting to settle on who would win in a fight between the two of them....possibly further indicating that their fighting in the Flash Crossover was a draw.

 

[Bathead]

Of course it will be a draw, just like BvS will be a draw. What else would it be?

 

[Herolee10]

Of course it will be a draw, just like BvS will be a draw. What else would it be?

Some are/were worried that Oliver would come out on top.

 

[Tv's Phil]

Even if Oliver does win this particular fight, is it really that big of a deal right now?
Barry is going to be brainwashed so Oliver will have to beat him somehow or at least fix him.
And Green Arrow isn't exactly a character that is portrayed as unbeatable a la Batman so him beating a more powerful opponent is pretty cool.
Barry still isn't really a fighter. It makes sense that he could get outsmarted.

Sure, in real life, characters like Flash or Superman would have zero issues with beating Green Arrow or Batman. But the writers of a tv show have to portray a point.(I'm assuming the premise of the show)
This being Oliver can out think a compromised Barry. Someone will have to and for a crossover it should be Oliver.
I think people will understand that a fully powered Barry could also beat Oliver at a different time.

 

[Eni]

I think Oliver beating Barry is really reasonable to me. From what was seen in the promo, Oliver isn't rushing in to fight Barry with regular arrows and hand-to-hand. He's actually being smart and using trick arrows to throw Barry off and catch him by surprise. And leading speedsters in traps or catching them off-guard/by surprise are ways to beat them, so I can see Oliver winning tbh.

Yeah, Barry's speed gives him a huge speed advantage and power over lots of his opponents, but he's still only human and can't see everything at once, so he can get surprised and knocked out if he's not paying attention. I don't read comics but I think that's true of the flash in the comics as well. Any speedster actually.

The problem with speedsters in general in DC comics (especially Wally and Barry) is that they ridiculously powerful. If they were written using their powers to their full potential (and for most cases that would be hardly necessary), they could take out nearly everybody, especially non-superpowered people like Bruce and Olli, because smarts get you just so far. When you fight against a person which can make time stop so that you are nothing more than a frozen statue to them, there is nothing much you can do.
Aside from that, Barry is an extremely smart person, he may not be potrayed like that in the Tv show (yet?) but I think he has quite some up in that regards when it comes to Olli.

 

[Eni]

Even if Oliver does win this particular fight, is it really that big of a deal right now?
Barry is going to be brainwashed so Oliver will have to beat him somehow or at least fix him.
And Green Arrow isn't exactly a character that is portrayed as unbeatable a la Batman so him beating a more powerful opponent is pretty cool.
Barry still isn't really a fighter. It makes sense that he could get outsmarted.

Sure, in real life, characters like Flash or Superman would have zero issues with beating Green Arrow or Batman. But the writers of a tv show have to portray a point.(I'm assuming the premise of the show)
This being Oliver can out think a compromised Barry. Someone will have to and for a crossover it should be Oliver.
I think people will understand that a fully powered Barry could also beat Oliver at a different time.

Yeah, and Barry is potrayed as quite the grasshopper in the series so far. Still, if their isn't a good explaination of how Olli would be able to deal with Barry it would be rather ridiculous him being able to coming out up front.
Buuut, then again, I am not a particularly big GA (from the comics) fan but love the Flash, so I may go into this with a different mindset than you.

 

[Boy Scout]

Of course it will be a draw, just like BvS will be a draw. What else would it be?

If one were to win, it would be because the other has been compromised somehow. But, like you, I think it'll be a draw. It wouldn't look good if Barry lost to Oliver on his own show, but allowing Barry to thrash Oliver would be too obvious. I think Oliver will gain the upper hand, simply because Barry is acting as the antagonist in the fight, but I don't think we'll be able to say that he definitely won.

 

[Frodo]

Yeah, and Barry is potrayed as quite the grasshopper in the series so far. Still, if their isn't a good explaination of how Olli would be able to deal with Barry it would be rather ridiculous him being able to coming out up front.
Buuut, then again, I am not a particularly big GA (from the comics) fan but love the Flash, so I may go into this with a different mindset than you.

Which is pretty how I feel about. You've got to able to suspend your disbelief and but there's only so much suspension you can have if a guy with a bow and arrow, even a smart one, can beat the fastest man alive , even if he was compromised. Oliver only barely made out alive against Slade and routinely gets his ass handed to him by Malcolm Merlin who's all too mortal , so he's unlikely to beat a guy who could literally come at him from 88 miles per hour an and kill him if he really wanted to.

However, in Oliver's favor is that Barry is a good man and wouldn't want to kill him even though he could. So Barry is always holding back in a sense which gives Oliver a bit of an advantage.

 

[Bathead]

Some are/were worried that Oliver would come out on top.

Yeah, I've seen the same nonsense from Superman fans re:BvS. I suspect, that, just like it'll happen in BvS with Batman, Ollie will hold his own, and in the end, there will be a draw with no decisive winner.

 

[Mr.X]

Eh, if I'm being honest, Flash would beat Green Arrow. If he really got speed he could kill him just by running into him. Yeah , he's not a fighter but Arrow is a human. Flash is almost god power wise. For me, having Arrow beat Flash would really be stretching it and possibly putting him on Batman's level, which he's not. If he could really beat Flash, and I mean without help , it kinda becomes a slippery slope which then means he could take on other characters like Wonder Woman, Superman(yes I know he shoots the kryptonite arrow in TDKR), Green Lantern, at which point people would laugh in your face. Sorry , that's how I feel.

That said, there are ways they could write it to give Arrow the edge over Flash but it's gotta be believable. Snyder is gonna run into the same thing with BvS, but I think you'd have alot more of the GA at least who could see it as closer to two equals fighting each other.

My point was that Barry is just as human as Oliver. He bleeds red like Oliver. He can get hurt like Oliver. He can get killed like Oliver. The only difference is that it's harder because of his speed. Harder but not impossible. He has accelerated healing but it's not instant like Wolverine's, or hulk or superman's. It takes less time for him to heal than others, but it still takes time.

It doesn't really matter to me if he loses or not, since it's not like they're pulling him being able to be defeated out their butts.

 

[Bathead]

If one were to win, it would be because the other has been compromised somehow. But, like you, I think it'll be a draw. It wouldn't look good if Barry lost to Oliver on his own show, but allowing Barry to thrash Oliver would be too obvious. I think Oliver will gain the upper hand, simply because Barry is acting as the antagonist in the fight, but I don't think we'll be able to say that he definitely won.

That's pretty much how I think it will pan out.
Barry: "You missed!"
Ollie: "No."
BOOM!

 

[Herolee10]

All I know is that I hope Barry ends up being viewed by Oliver as his equal and not a novice by the end of this big crossover and that he at least gets in one moment where he rescues Oliver from certain death.

 

[Eni]

Yeah, I've seen the same nonsense from Superman fans re:BvS. I suspect, that, just like it'll happen in BvS with Batman, Ollie will hold his own, and in the end, there will be a draw with no decisive winner.

I don't think it is nonsense to be unhappy about how writers tend to potray certain characters simply to fit them the story they have in mind, even if it doesn't make any sense when it comes to who they are and what they can do. You don't have to be a fanboy to do so (even though I may be ).

It is a popularity (and money) thing and a very good examply are B and S. S could easily take B out, no matter what, but B is more popular and thus writers tend to find (more often than not) rather asinine ways to get B still end up winning. As a fan of B that is great, as a fan of S, not so much, especially because it is really just nonsense. Same for the Flash and GA.

 

[luis4u]

One of the dumbest pages in all of comics.

 

[Eni]

One of the dumbest pages in all of comics.

So true. Perfect example of lazy writing or someone who has no idea about the charakter they are writing about.

 

[Infinight888]

I feel like pointing out that one of The Flash's main villains is Captain Boomerang. Arrow being a threat can't be that much worse.

 

[bes628]

Right, if any of the rogues can actually be a threat than so can Green Arrow.

 

[gugumugats]

I recommend Batman #35 As a good example for dealing with the Flash

 

[luis4u]

I recommend Batman #35 As a good example for dealing with the Flash

 

[mkilban2]

comics... lol

 

[Eni]

Right, if any of the rogues can actually be a threat than so can Green Arrow.

Yeah, I can totally see your point there. That is one of the reasons why I was never bothered by the Rogues getting powers. It is kind of hard to imagine that they could one up the Flash, even as a team. Doesn't mean that I don't think they are one of the coolest villain groups there are but it is not really believable that ordinary joes with guns could pose any real threat to the Flash.

 

[Eni]

I recommend Batman #35 As a good example for dealing with the Flash

I call bull on that one, there is really no difference to the scans from before with Slade. It is just fan-service done by writers. You have to consider that the Flash can run as fast as the speed of light, there is no way that anything Bats throws at him would have any effect whatsoever. There is no "before he can react" for the Flash when his opponent is Bruce using his gimmicks.