The Flash The Flash, Season 1, Episode 8 "Flash vs. Arrow"

[Tv's Phil]

Geeze, that whole Batman taking down 5 JL members is ridiculous.
There's suspending disbelief and then there's throwing it out the window.
Hey I get how neat it can be to see a non-super powered human defeat super powered one's but there's a limit.
Them all attacking at once, two having super speed, is enough to defeat the Batman.
But whatever. It's hardly worth me typing this out.

 

[luis4u]

Spoiler

 

[batnkevlar]

I call bull on that one, there is really no difference to the scans from before with Slade. It is just fan-service done by writers. You have to consider that the Flash can run as fast as the speed of light, there is no way that anything Bats throws at him would have any effect whatsoever. There is no "before he can react" for the Flash when his opponent is Bruce using his gimmicks.

I agree and disagree. It's not only Flash's physical speed that makes him formidable, but also his mental speed. If he had his physical speed and not his mental speed, he wouldn't be able to comprehend his speed and splatter against something somewhere. So yeah, it's pretty hard to pull the wool over his eyes if he's processing everything so fast.

That being said, he can be distracted. The Flash doesn't case a whole scene before entering. He normally focuses on one thing at a time. Things could sneak up on him, technically.

Also, every says he runs at the speed of light, but that's incorrect. Running at the speed of light took Wally to the Speed Force. The Flash can run CLOSE to lightspeed, WITH EFFORT, as seen in JLA #89 (SCANS). He's super fast, but only with effort, can he achieve that speed.

 

[Lencho01]

I hope Joe pops up on screen and just says, "Oliver Queen is the Arrow." with Quentin being shocked.

 

[metaphysician]

Re: the Batman/Flash scans. . . okay, the rough premise is not terrible. Note that the attack is a basically-invisible coating of the ground with a frictionless lubricant. If its put in the right place, it both deprives the Flash of traction, and its undetectable until it does so. If I were trying to build an anti-speedster weapon, some kind of auto-deploying slick would be a good choice.

The problem is that, I simply do not buy Batman being good enough a scientist to build the machinery to automatically detect and rapidly deploy said slick, against the Flash. He's just not that good of a scientist. If this were someone like Steel, or Mr Terrific, sure. Batman is not that good.

 

[Bathead]

And who says he has to invent it himself? He's very rich and can afford to pay those scientists who are capable of inventing such things. That's pretty much what Wayne-Tech is for, to develop those kinds of innovative technologies.

 

[gugumugats]

Most if not all people trip on objects that move that move slower than themselves.

 

[Eni]

I agree and disagree. It's not only Flash's physical speed that makes him formidable, but also his mental speed. If he had his physical speed and not his mental speed, he wouldn't be able to comprehend his speed and splatter against something somewhere. So yeah, it's pretty hard to pull the wool over his eyes if he's processing everything so fast.

That being said, he can be distracted. The Flash doesn't case a whole scene before entering. He normally focuses on one thing at a time. Things could sneak up on him, technically.

Also, every says he runs at the speed of light, but that's incorrect. Running at the speed of light took Wally to the Speed Force. The Flash can run CLOSE to lightspeed, WITH EFFORT, as seen in JLA #89 (SCANS). He's super fast, but only with effort, can he achieve that speed.

Hey, cool, thanks for the scans, I know them but I still love that scene. I have to be honest here and say that I am not even sure whether I have read it spelled out in a comic that he can run the speed of light (with or without endering the SF) or maybe picked it up somewhere else.
Still, look at the speed presented in that scans, it is riddiculous (and I don't think this is really the max speed they can archieve - depends on the writers again), there is hardly anybody else around who can keep up with the Flash. According to GJ Rebirth he is easily fast than Sups but I think Wally and he are more or less on the same level (not really sure about this one, though). Bart most likely too when he grows a bit older and developes his powers more. I don't think anybody could really cause him or most of the other speedsters any threat even with "just" a speed like that.
Totally agree with the speed of mind point of yours. I didn't think about pointing this out.
Regarding being distracted, I think the speed of his thoughts play a big role that this wouldn't really be such a big issue. I know that I have read that their mind kind of jumps in overdrive when they are presented with a dangerous situation and I think even if he is distracted, he has eough time to think it over before rushing into danger without coming up with a solution beforehand - well the comic Barry would, at least, the TV one likely not so much.
Still, good points!

 

[Eni]

Most if not all people trip on objects that move that move slower than themselves.

I think if we had the powers of a speedster we would most likely not. It is all about reaction time, I guess.

 

[gugumugats]

I think if we had the powers of a speedster we would most likely not. It is all about reaction time, I guess.

Most people trip on unmoving objects because they don't have enough time to react?

 

[Eni]

Most people trip on unmoving objects because they don't have enough time to react?

Yes (that and not paying attention ). If you had the time to react to the thing that is causing you to trip, you would be able to avoid it. For example, Barry steps on a banana peel, before he can slip, he can react, as his mind and body are working fast enough, like changing the position he stand, shiftig his cente of equilibrium, etc. Same for him nearly tripping over something.

This would mean, that he wouldn't notice the thing beforehand, which is unlikely if he is in speedster mode, like during a fight, as the world around him is slowing down accordingly and he is probably observant enough to look where he is going. I actually think that his connection to the speed force is automatically kicking in in such a situation, just think about the scene with the waiter in Flash Rebirth or the scene in the coffee shop during the first episode. Everything around him slows down and he has time to react.

 

[luis4u]

edit....

 

[luis4u]

full panel oh silver age

 

[gugumugats]

Tripping at super speed

 

[Rowsdower!]

That's it. I demand an atomic powered banana peel to make an appearance.

And then I want a Luthor cameo where he steals 40 cakes.

 

[Mr.X]

Tripping at super speed

What's wrong with that? I actually thought it was pretty faithful to how speedsters aren't omnipotent and can't see everything. *shrug*

 

[gugumugats]

What's wrong with that? I actually thought it was pretty faithful to how speedsters aren't omnipotent and can't see everything. *shrug*

That was exactly my point. That even superior speed and reaction time doesn't mean you're invulnerable to getting tripped.

 

[Mr.X]

That was exactly my point. That even superior speed and reaction time doesn't mean you're invulnerable to getting tripped.

Ok, my bad then lol. Most of what the others was posting was what they felt was stupid ways of a speedster being defeated, and I thought that was what the video was for. But yeah, we're in agreement. It's basically like what I said, speedsters are fricking powerful as heck, but they are still human and can bleed, get hurt or killed. So honestly, imo, if Oliver wins I won't call BS since we see from the promos he is being smart in going against Barry.

And while Barry has speed healing and can heal faster than anyone else, it still takes time. It takes days and/or weeks/months for normal humans to heal, it takes Barry a few hours at most. So while he has less recovery time he still needs time. And I doubt he's going to shrug off explosive arrows or getting tagged by arrows in the knee or something.

And as for the scans, I thought the one where Deathstroke just holds the sword behind him was stupid, Flash would see that and dodge it. Same with the one where DS shoots Flash in that other scan. But, the one where DS trips Flash I can buy. Flash was speeding around the corner and didn't expect DS to be waiting, crouched down, to trip him. The one where Batman takes on 5 JL'ers at once I don't buy either, since, like someone else said, two of 'em have speed. And all of them can bumrush dude at once. No comment on the banana peel one lol.

The one where Batman shoots the frictionless coating stuff on the ground I'm iffy about. If it's actually a laser type thing he has to aim and shoot at the ground, I doubt Flash wouldn't be able to see it. But yeah, if Oliver wins I don't think it would be PIS or BS at all. Barry has a speed advantage over him but he's still human. He can still get caught in traps or taken by surprise. lol sorry for the long post.

 

[luis4u]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/12/01/flash-arrow-tv-superhero-crossover/19724527/

 

[metaphysician]

And who says he has to invent it himself? He's very rich and can afford to pay those scientists who are capable of inventing such things. That's pretty much what Wayne-Tech is for, to develop those kinds of innovative technologies.

The problem is that, if I can't buy Bruce Wayne doing a feat of technology, I'm not going to buy some anonymous lab grunt doing it either. Unless he's outsourcing his lightspeed-level automation to someone like Steel or Mr Terrific, or another scientist of suitable demonstrated caliber, the situation remains unchanged.

 

[gugumugats]

The problem is that, if I can't buy Bruce Wayne doing a feat of technology, I'm not going to buy some anonymous lab grunt doing it either. Unless he's outsourcing his lightspeed-level automation to someone like Steel or Mr Terrific, or another scientist of suitable demonstrated caliber, the situation remains unchanged.

Modern day innovations are usually made by teams of scientists not unlike those that could be hired by Wayne Enterprises.

 

[gugumugats]

Extended trailer:

 

[Bathead]

Modern day innovations are usually made by teams of scientists not unlike those that could be hired by Wayne Enterprises.

Exactly. And, let's not forget, this is a comic-book universe, where they have all kinds of impossible inventions on a regular basis, sometimes by lone scientists working on their own special seemingly impossible projects.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't wait to see both tonight's and tomorrow's crossover episode. I've been waiting all season for this ever since it was first announced.

 

[smallville fan]

Is anyone here going to wait till Arrow's episode is finished tomorrow to watch them back to back?