The Greatest Director(s) of All-Time (Your opinion)

Kurosawa
Spielberg
Hitchcock
Kubrick
Scors...wait a minute. Hey Bullets, we think alike.
 
I know, the Richard Donner one in particular had me choking with laughter.

Donner had you choking with laughter? Don't get me wrong, I in know way believe that Donner should be in this discussion, but is he the worst mentioned here?

We're talking about a guy who has delivered highly memorable films that have have become ingrained in popular culture. Everybody knows The Omen, everybody knows Lethal Weapon, The Goonies, Scrooged and Superman: The Movie. When you factor in that the films have ranged from horror to noir, fro children adventure to dark comedy. That makes him a fantastic director. Greatest director ever? No. But he has earned a lot more that to have you choking with laughter.
 
Donner had you choking with laughter? Don't get me wrong, I in know way believe that Donner should be in this discussion, but is he the worst mentioned here?

We're talking about a guy who has delivered highly memorable films that have have become ingrained in popular culture. Everybody knows The Omen, everybody knows Lethal Weapon, The Goonies, Scrooged and Superman: The Movie. When you factor in that the films have ranged from horror to noir, fro children adventure to dark comedy. That makes him a fantastic director. Greatest director ever? No. But he has earned a lot more that to have you choking with laughter.
He's not even a fantastic director. :huh:

He directed, what, three truly great movies over the course of his long career? Are you honestly trying to insinuate that the Goonies, Scrooged, and the Omen are great films? Sure, The Goonies was fun but Scrooged and the Omen barely reach mediocrity. We're talking Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini, Akira Kurosawa, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Robert Altman, Jean-Luc Godard, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Werner Herzog here. So yes, mentioning Donner among those men deserves a chuckle at the very least.
 
He's not even a fantastic director. :huh:

He directed, what, three truly great movies over the course of his long career? Are you honestly trying to insinuate that the Goonies, Scrooged, and the Omen are great films? Sure, The Goonies was fun but Scrooged and the Omen barely reach mediocrity. We're talking Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini, Akira Kurosawa, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Robert Altman, Jean-Luc Godard, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Werner Herzog here. So yes, mentioning Donner among those men deserves a chuckle at the very least.

How many great Robert Altman films are there? Or great Tarintino films are there?

And no I never insinuated that The Goonies, Scrooged or The Omen were great films. That's why I called them memorable. It takes a special talent to direct one film that becomes engrained in popular culture but FIVE films. That's fantastic. And as I said before he deserves more than to be the subject of fun on the internet. A lot more.
 
He's not even a fantastic director. :huh:

He directed, what, three truly great movies over the course of his long career? Are you honestly trying to insinuate that the Goonies, Scrooged, and the Omen are great films? Sure, The Goonies was fun but Scrooged and the Omen barely reach mediocrity. We're talking Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini, Akira Kurosawa, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Robert Altman, Jean-Luc Godard, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and Werner Herzog here. So yes, mentioning Donner among those men deserves a chuckle at the very least.
So is his opinion 'dumb':huh:

Re: The Greatest Director(s) of All-Time (Your opinion)

Jesus Christ the people around here some times.
 
How many great Robert Altman films are there? Or great Tarintino films are there?

And no I never insinuated that The Goonies, Scrooged or The Omen were great films. That's why I called them memorable. It takes a special talent to direct one film that becomes engrained in popular culture but FIVE films. That's fantastic. And as I said before he deserves more than to be the subject of fun on the internet. A lot more.
Altman?

Nashville
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
M.A.S.H.
3 Women
Gosford Park
A Prairie Home Companion
Thieves Like Us
The Long Goodbye

Tarantino

Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill vol. 1
Kill Bill vol. 2

And both are far more influential and masterful than Richard Donner could ever hope to be. :huh:

Richard Donner wishes he could make a movie as perfect as Nashville.
 
So is his opinion 'dumb':huh:

Re: The Greatest Director(s) of All-Time (Your opinion)

Jesus Christ the people around here some times.
It's mistaken, but not dumb. And I'm sorry you want everything to be all lovey dovey chaseter, but unfortunately, yeah some people do have dumb opinions. If you don't want your feewings hurt don't enter threads that encourage debate. :huh:
 
HAHA I love how you think your opinion is fact.
 
HAHA I love how you think your opinion is fact.
No, I don't. :huh:

I regularly engage in healthy disagreements with people, but unfortunately, there are stupid opinions.

Like, here's one: "I don't like Woody Allen movies 'cause movies that feature neurotic dudes who wear glasses SAWK. PERIOD! :cmad:"

See? That opinion is based in stupidity and ignorance. Stupid opinion. And in the case of serious film discussion, bringing up Richard Donner in the same discussion as Hitchcock, Spielberg, Bergman, etc. is pretty ****ing silly to say the least. I'm not saying that people don't have a right to an opinion, but there are stupid reasons for opinions and just because you or others may have thin ****ing skin doesn't mean that's not true. I seem to recall the last time we debated ending badly, so I'm going to drop it.
 
Altman?

Nashville
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
M.A.S.H.
3 Women
Gosford Park
A Prairie Home Companion
Thieves Like Us
The Long Goodbye

They're all great?
Tarantino

Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill vol. 1
Kill Bill vol. 2

And both are far more influential and masterful than Richard Donner could ever hope to be. :huh:

Kill Bill 1 and 2 are awful movies. Truely horrific
Richard Donner wishes he could make a movie as perfect as Nashville.

Am I arguing that he is better than Altman, that any of his movies are as great as Nashville. I'm arguing that he deserves better than to be laughed at. And that is a fact.
 
They're all great?
Oh yeah. Unfortunately Thieves Like Us never got proper recognition when it was released but it's really a great flick. It's too bad that most people haven't even heard of it due to how poorly it did at the time, 'cause it's up there with Altman's best.


Kill Bill 1 and 2 are awful movies. Truely horrific
But they're better than Scrooged. :cwink:


Am I arguing that he is better than Altman, that any of his movies are as great as Nashville. I'm arguing that he deserves better than to be laughed at. And that is a fact.
In general I don't think he deserves to be "laughed at", but in terms of this discussion when we're talking all time greats it's kinda like bringing up John Hughes, y'know?
 
Many great directors are out there past and present, but if I had to pick whom I think the best is, it was Stanley Kubrick. All of his films have a distinct feel, they never have a wasted moment, and they challenge you. Kubrick was a genius :up:
 
But they're better than Scrooged. :cwink:

Bill Muarry greater than every Tarintino film combined :woot:

In general I don't think he deserves to be "laughed at", but in terms of this discussion when we're talking all time greats it's kinda like bringing up John Hughes, y'know?

I don't disagree. Donner is not the greatest director ever, I doubt even he would suggest that. But he, nor John Hughes should be laughed at if brought up. It should be explained why he shouldn't be here, but choked with laughter? Disgraceful in my opinion.
 
Ingmar Bergman.

Others in no particular order

Federico Fellini
Akira Kurosawa
Yasujiro Ozu
Werner Herzog
Steven Spielberg
David Lynch
Billy Wilder
Atom Egoyan
Martin Scorsese
Terrence Malick
Robert Altman
Michelangelo Antonioni
Alfred Hitchcock
Jean-Luc Godard
Jean Cocteau
Orson Welles
Sergei Eisenstein
Eric Rohmer
John Ford
Fritz Lang
D.W. Griffith
Buster Keaton
Sergio Leone
David Cronenberg
Woody Allen
Dario Argento
Mario Bava
The Coen Brothers
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Wim Wenders
Lars Von Trier
Krzysztof Kieślowski
Sam Peckinpah

And I'm just going to add Terry Gilliam and we can pretty much close the thread.
 
And I'm just going to add Terry Gilliam and we can pretty much close the thread.
Haha, I forgot about Gilliam. I feel like there are still a few really brilliant directors that I left out.
 
I think I'm going to take a gamble and place Brad Bird on this list. As far as I'm concerned, he's really one of those visionists who's just great at his art. And his art just happens to be in animated features. From 'Iron Giant' to 'The Incredibles' to 'Ratatouille', it's obvious that this guy isn't just a "one-note" director. He knows how to make compelling and rich movies, and I'm hoping to see many more of his works in the near-future.
 
I wanted to place him on the list too, but he was one of the ones I forgot. Along with Miyazaki. But he's definitely one of the best animation directors out there, bar none.
 
I wanted to place him on the list too, but he was one of the ones I forgot. Along with Miyazaki. But he's definitely one of the best animation directors out there, bar none.
I'm really interested in checking out his later works, down before he made 'Spirited Away' and 'Howl's Moving Castle'; because I really enjoyed the both of those movies and it was great to see 'Spirited Away' win 'Best Animated Feature' at the Oscars back in 2000 (I believe).
 
I'm really interested in checking out his later works, down before he made 'Spirited Away' and 'Howl's Moving Castle'; because I really enjoyed the both of those movies and it was great to see 'Spirited Away' win 'Best Animated Feature' at the Oscars back in 2000 (I believe).

meh - Princess Mononoke is great(his best after Howls IMHO) And Naussica Valley of the Wind is a classic.
But movies like Porco Roso,Totoro , Castle is the Sky,..are frankly garbage.You're not missing anything good.:csad:
 
meh - Princess Mononoke is great(his best after Howls IMHO) And Naussica Valley of the Wind is a classic.
But movies like Porco Roso,Totoro , Castle is the Sky,..are frankly garbage.You're not missing anything good.:csad:
I loved all of those. Especially My Neighbor Totoro. That's ****ing classic.

So was Kiki's Delivery Service.
 
I don't disagree. Donner is not the greatest director ever, I doubt even he would suggest that. But he, nor John Hughes should be laughed at if brought up. It should be explained why he shouldn't be here, but choked with laughter? Disgraceful in my opinion.

Okay, okay. Let me answer for Donner-gate.

I'm a huge fan of the Lethal Weapon franchise (even part 4!), as well as Superman. I also really liked Maverick (Goonies not so much). I'm not in any way implying that Donner is a hack or has no-talent. He's an extremely competent big-budget studio director.

However, he has shown very little personality throughout his career. What themes carry through his work? The auteur theory doesn't really apply. When considering "The Greatest Directors of All-Time" he doesn't come close to computing. It's pretty laughable to even have his name mentioned amongst the many talents that have shaped and defined/redefined the medium. It would be like me arguing that John McTiernan is one of the greatest of all time simply because Die Hard and Predator kicked ass. That's not really the way it works.

I did love the "Disgraceful in my opinion" quote. It made me happy.
 
My personal favorites are:

Martin Scorsese- Many of my favorites are from him.
Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino, Taxi Driver, The Aviator, The Departed.

The Coen Bros.- Absolutely love Fargo and No Country for Old Men.
I still need to check out The Big Lebowski.

David Fincher- Loved Seven and Fight Club is #2 on my all time favorites list.
 
However, he has shown very little personality throughout his career. What themes carry through his work?

Isolation. Feeling different. Faith or the lack there of. The evils of men who search for wealth.

But that's just off the top of my head.

The auteur theory doesn't really apply.

It really does.
When considering "The Greatest Directors of All-Time" he doesn't come close to computing. It's pretty laughable to even have his name mentioned amongst the many talents that have shaped and defined/redefined the medium. It would be like me arguing that John McTiernan is one of the greatest of all time simply because Die Hard and Predator kicked ass. That's not really the way it works.

You mentioned Tarintino who hasn't done any of that. He didn't define or refine anything. What directors were heavily influence by him? Who were given a chance because of him? He's an equally bad choice, maybe even worse.

You call Donner a competent director. It takes more than a competent director to make several films that have been remembered, some of the, for over thirty years.
I did love the "Disgraceful in my opinion" quote. It made me happy.

Yeah. I guarantee that if you went up to any of the directors who you put on your list and said that you choked with laugher at someone suggesting that Richard Donner is the greatest director of all time, they would use much stronger language.
 
Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, Scorcese, Coppola, Kurosawa, and Steven Spielberg. Also, I honestly think that Anthony Minghella's best work was ahead of him because of how personal his characterization was, his attention to detail, and his ability to involve audiences without losing scope on the atmosphere of the world around them.

edit: Some of the contemporaries who I believe will head in that direction are Aronofsky, David Fincher, Christopher Nolan, and Del Toro.
 
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Isolation. Feeling different. Faith or the lack there of. The evils of men who search for wealth.

But that's just off the top of my head..

Yes, in certain films for sure. Every director uses certain themes in an individual work. However, for Donner there is no sense of personal authorship carrying on throughout his career. An auteur is driven by a desire, often obsession, to answer pivotal questions which burn within them. Donner shows little of this. I'm not arguing that he doesn't use his films to explore ideas. Skilled directors do this. However, he is more of a journeyman director: swapping styles and genres to suit the project he is involved in. Is her versatile, yes. Is he a master? No.

For further reading of interest, check out: http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/special_features/special_features_dir_donner.htm
It's really interesting stuff.

You mentioned Tarintino who hasn't done any of that. He didn't define or refine anything. What directors were heavily influence by him? Who were given a chance because of him? He's an equally bad choice, maybe even worse.

Seriously? Did you watch any indie films in the mid 90's and onwards? His work influenced numerous directors and movements. Remember the ironic crime drama craze: Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead, Suicide Kings, Boondock Saints, Truth & Consequences, N.M.? Heck, even Bryan Singer's Usual Suspects wore it's inspirations on its sleeve. Tarantino, along with Rodriguez, Smith and Soderbergh helped boost public interest in indie cinema and gave hundreds of filmmakers a chance to have their voices heard in an industry that usually only focused on traditional studio output. You'd be better off picking another director to base your argument around than Tarantino.

P.S.: I wasn't arguing for Tarantino to have a place on the list right now, only that he had the potential to wind up there one day.

You call Donner a competent director. It takes more than a competent director to make several films that have been remembered, some of the, for over thirty years.

Yeah, competent may have been too harsh sounding (I was in a hurry). I should have said proficient. My bad. As for your argument about making several films that will be remembered, I point you to Ron Howard. He's had great success in crafting accessible, respectable studio entertainment for several decades now. Cocoon, Splash, Backdraft, Ransom, A Beautiful Mind, Frost/Nixon, Cinderella Man... However, I wouldn't call him one of the greatest either. Like Donner, he's a skilled professional who is an ace talent for studio jobs because he can bring films in on budget and time, with a minimum of personality getting in the way.

Or hell, what about

Yeah. I guarantee that if you went up to any of the directors who you put on your list and said that you choked with laugher at someone suggesting that Richard Donner is the greatest director of all time, they would use much stronger language.

Well, they probably wouldn't get quite as emotional... They'd probably agree with me that he isn't anywhere near the top of the heap, though. Again, you make it sound like I killed his dog or hate him or something when that simply isn't the case. I'm simply arguing against his worthiness in this particular category.
 

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