The Amazing Spider-Man The Gwen Stacy thread

[Project862006]

do we really want goblin all over again as the first villain ?

and joker if you dont see tdk comparison something is wrong with you also if peter can save mj 3 different times in Raimi's vision .But Gwen gets killed in the reboot that would just seem kinda off in my opinion.

if the GA thought Nite owl looked like batman wtf do you think this comparison is gonna do

i am not saying i am against this i am just worried

 

[The Joker]

and joker if you dont see tdk comparison something is wrong with you

Something wrong with me? Something wrong with YOU, pal. I see the TDK comparison, it's just weak, shallow, and holds no water.

- Rachel and Bruce were not an item. She was with Harvey Dent, and she was in love with him. She was going to marry Harvey and everything.
- Joker did not kill Rachel in order to punish Batman. He did it to corrupt Harvey.

Vastly different scenario to Gwen's death.

 

[Reikowolf]

do we really want goblin all over again as the first villain ?

and joker if you dont see tdk comparison something is wrong with you also if peter can save mj 3 different times in Raimi's vision .But Gwen gets killed in the reboot that would just seem kinda off in my opinion.

if the GA thought Nite owl looked like batman wtf do you think this comparison is gonna do

i am not saying i am against this i am just worried

Women in distress and dying is a motif in most comic books, and comic book movies for that matter. Spider-Man was the first to do the death.

TDK
Xmen3
Superman (although he brought her back because he is superman)
I'm sure the list goes on


Also, Night Owl was designed to be a Batman archetype. You can even say the second Night Owl was Robin trying to be Batman.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Something wrong with me? Something wrong with YOU, pal. I see the TDK comparison, it's just weak, shallow, and holds no water.

- Rachel and Bruce were not an item. She was with Harvey Dent, and she was in love with him. She was going to marry Harvey and everything.
- Joker did not kill Rachel in order to punish Batman. He did it to corrupt Harvey.

Vastly different scenario to Gwen's death.

Exactly! Gwen's still in love with Peter at the time of her death. Gwen's still very close to Peter's heart. Goblin takes Gwen to punish Peter.

Very..very different and IMO more heartbreaking scenario.

 

[The Lizard]

Since this is a Gwen-centric thread, I'll just carry over this suggestion from the main casting thread..

Dakota Fanning maybe as Gwen? She's the right age, and has the talent, no doubt.

 

[TheSlag]

Something wrong with me? Something wrong with YOU, pal. I see the TDK comparison, it's just weak, shallow, and holds no water.

- Rachel and Bruce were not an item. She was with Harvey Dent, and she was in love with him. She was going to marry Harvey and everything.
- Joker did not kill Rachel in order to punish Batman. He did it to corrupt Harvey.

Vastly different scenario to Gwen's death.

As usual Doc.. very well said.

 

[TheSlag]

Since this is a Gwen-centric thread, I'll just carry over this suggestion from the main casting thread..

Dakota Fanning maybe as Gwen? She's the right age, and has the talent, no doubt.

Hmmm.. interesting choice.

 

[Rodrigo90]

You cant compare the situation with Spider-Man,Gwen and Goblin with TDK situation.

Different situations. Different reasons. Its stupid.

 

[Danalys]

Something wrong with me? Something wrong with YOU, pal. I see the TDK comparison, it's just weak, shallow, and holds no water.

- Rachel and Bruce were not an item. She was with Harvey Dent, and she was in love with him. She was going to marry Harvey and everything.
- Joker did not kill Rachel in order to punish Batman. He did it to corrupt Harvey.

Vastly different scenario to Gwen's death.

he knew from bruce's previous rescue of her that she was important to bruce

he sent bruce to the wrong address deliberately. and not just so harvey would lose out as per the above.

 

[Dragon]

In a word, No. Or at least not as written. The story is too straight-forward and the general audience isn't going in simply to watch a character (particularly if the character is established and liked) die. They may watch a weekly TV show like that, but not a feature film. The thing that made ASM #121 so jarring and powerful is that no one expected Gwen to die. Marvel even made sure thay didn't reveal the story's title until the end.

 

[The Joker]

he knew from bruce's previous rescue of her that she was important to bruce

he sent bruce to the wrong address deliberately. and not just so harvey would lose out as per the above.

And again....

- He didn't do it to punish Batman. He did it to corrupt Harvey. He deliberately gave Batman the wrong address because he wanted Harvey to be rescued, and live with the grief of Rachel's death. He had no intention of trying to corrupt Batman. Batman was "too much fun".

Simple as that.

 

[Danalys]

too much fun to upset.

when you're the joker you take hitting two birds with one stone when you can.

 

[Project862006]

not saying they are exact replicas of each other jeez

Bruce and Rachael were not together but he still had very strong feelings for her and wanted to get back with her because he loved her.

I am just saying having a superhero's love may they be together or not to get killed off by the Main Villain may be too soon since TDK was only 2008.

the scenario is not the same but the motive and end result is

 

[Jennifer Walters]

In a word, No. Or at least not as written. The story is too straight-forward and the general audience isn't going in simply to watch a character (particularly if the character is established and liked) die. They may watch a weekly TV show like that, but not a feature film. The thing that made ASM #121 so jarring and powerful is that no one expected Gwen to die. Marvel even made sure thay didn't reveal the story's title until the end.

Most people in the audience will be experiencing just what people at the time of Gwen's death would. They won't know it's coming as well. The general audience probably thinks of Gwen Stacy as nothing more as that blonde girl in 3 or 4 scenes of Spider-Man 3.

 

[The Joker]

too much fun to upset.

when you're the joker you take hitting two birds with one stone when you can.

Ok, if you believe Joker set that up just so Batman could punch him a few times and shout at him, then that's your mis-interpretation.

It was all about Harvey. She was "Harvey's squeeze", and only by killing her could he really get under his skin, because Harvey was his "Ace in the hole".

 

[marvelrobbins]

If they would have gwen end up peter then that would make me happy.The
character of Gwen was much suited to be with Peter.mary Jane intill they reconned her background In the 80's was basiclly a party girl.Plus Imagne
a film where they tweaked it to have the goblin be responable for her
father's death.Making the goblin grabing her even more dramatic.And even
If they would tweak things where Spider-Man could save her.Having the
Goblin kill her father and nearly killing her would lead to dramatic showdown.

As for the suggestion of Dakota Fanning as Gwen.Nice suggestion I never thought of.She Is fast becoming a nice looking babe and she can defently act.

 

[Micah12345]

As long as the actress playing gwen is good, it should have a much more dramatic effect than rachel's death in TDK did.

Not everyone will admit it, but she was so ugly you were almost glad to see her go.

 

[Project862006]

As long as the actress playing gwen is good, it should have a much more dramatic effect than rachel's death in TDK did.

Not everyone will admit it, but she was so ugly you were almost glad to see her go.

so true

 

[Nathan]

not saying they are exact replicas of each other jeez

Bruce and Rachael were not together but he still had very strong feelings for her and wanted to get back with her because he loved her.

I am just saying having a superhero's love may they be together or not to get killed off by the Main Villain may be too soon since TDK was only 2008.

the scenario is not the same but the motive and end result is

And we already have 2010. The first Movie will be out in in 2012. And who says Gwen has to die there? Maybe it'll be in the second or third. That'll be another 2-6 years. So, yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

[LEGO Spidey]

In a word... Yes. In two words.. HELL YES!

Is it different from TDK which basically took it from Spider-Man? Yes in some ways. In some ways the two stories will have basic parts that seem the same.

1) It's Spider-Man's brith right
2) It establishes the Goblin's Legacy
3) Norman Osborn knew Gwen, and knows who Spider-Man is
4) Norman is basically a father figure to Peter, as Harry is like a brother to Peter
5) It takes the story full circle. Peter did not use his powers (responsibly) and his Uncle Ben paid the price. Now, Peter, despite ALL his powers, still cannot save the one he loves. It reenforces, that the ones he Loves will always pay the price. In this case, the ultimate price.

Add to that the Capt Stacy Death Arc.. where Gwen dies thinking Spider-Man caused the death of her father... wow. I could also see quite a few variations thay could take from the comic verse (while still staying true to the overalll storyline) that would/could be very powerful, and add to the overall story.

For example.. GG taunting Gwen before he throws her to her death (if that is how they choose to do it) that Spider-Man, the person she thinks killed her father.. is indeed.... "Peter"

That, could be EXTREMELY intense (I would use the word "gritty" but why set off the dogs again ) and could be VERY moviing.

And besides, they could/should not do this storyline in one movie. They should do it in 3 movies (into the reboot). They have to establish Gwen first to make this meaningful, as well as introduce the Goblin/Osborn. We're talking at best, approx 8 years from now.

Yes, please!

 

[Danalys]

Ok, if you believe Joker set that up just so Batman could punch him a few times and shout at him, then that's your mis-interpretation.

It was all about Harvey. She was "Harvey's squeeze", and only by killing her could he really get under his skin, because Harvey was his "Ace in the hole".

well i subscribe to more of a theory that the joker just sets up situations that may end up (have greater odds of working) in his favour rather than trying to fulfill a specific series of events just because it would stretch incredubility for him to have planned the whole thing. he's all about chaos after all.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Maggie Gyllenhaal can not be called a hot comic book babe.Katie Holmes may
not be very smart and may be weak In the acting arena but at least you could
call her a babe.

Your stupid If you try to do the entire Gwen Stacy story In one film.Do it In
2 or 3 films and you will have great material on screen.
And please cast a real blonde.Enough with casting actresses and making them
wear wigs.

 

[Nathan]

well i subscribe to more of a theory that the joker just sets up situations that may end up (have greater odds of working) in his favour rather than trying to fulfill a specific series of events just because it would stretch incredubility for him to have planned the whole thing. he's all about chaos after all.

That's the thing. The dude preaches chaos, and how he doesn't follow plans at all, but at the end of it all, that dude was nothing but a Master planner.

 

[Danalys]

That's the thing. The dude preaches chaos, and how he doesn't follow plans at all, but at the end of it all, that dude was nothing but a Master planner.

yeah but he has chaotic contingecies, or contingecies for chaos.

 

[Project862006]

1 thing i do know they better not make goblin the villain in the reboot

it is a reboot so make it a reboot