The Amazing Spider-Man The Gwen Stacy thread

[Ace of Knaves]

Helen Mirren would wipe the floor with Rosemary "can't you hear that I'll die any moment?" Harris.

Helen Mirren would be my dream for Blind Al. Imagine that, Helen Mirren trading wise cracks and pranks with Ryan Reynolds? It's just so ridiculous it would be ****ing awesome.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Well, if Gwen, Harry and MJ are going to meet Peter in High School, then that's a change from the source material, and it's a change that'll very likely happen, because I doubt that Peter pining after Liz Allen and dating Betty Brant would happen in these movies.

And who says that it's the best Spider-Man story arc? It's got a huge impact, and depicts a pivotal moment, but it's actually quite random in context, which I guess helps with believability, and it's a sad moment, a very tragic storyline. Spider-Man, for all his guilt, isn't a tragic figure. I'd say that the best Spider-Man story arcs are the ones that are light-hearted and fun, fully representative of the main character. No doubt that Gwen's death was important, and one of the better ones, but the best? I don't agree with that.

And I thought people didn't like Peter Parker crying or stories "about a girl".

Those changes you mentioned that will more than likely happen, are not without precedent they've happened in more than one adaption of Spider-Man now. One of them a Spider-Man comic.

The lighthearted stories are great, but I've always been a fan of some of the more dark or tragic Spider-Man stories like Night Gwen Stacy Died, Kraven's Last Hunt, Death of Captain Stacy, etc, etc. I just think with this reboot we have a chance to tell one of Spider-Man's greatest stories, if not that greatest.

Sure, not word for word, that might be a little boring, but we finally have a chance to see this happen. It's up to Sony though if it does.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Helen Mirren would be my dream for Blind Al. Imagine that, Helen Mirren trading wise cracks and pranks with Ryan Reynolds? It's just so ridiculous it would be ****ing awesome.

And that just brings me to great sadness that they can't get Bea Arthur anymore for a cameo in Deadpool for some reason. Don't know how I went from Blind Al to Bea Arthur, but yeah.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And that just brings me to great sadness that they can't get Bea Arthur anymore for a cameo in Deadpool for some reason. Don't know how I went from Blind Al to Bea Arthur, but yeah.

Poor Bea

Betty White's still alive and kicking though.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Poor Bea

Betty White's still alive and kicking though.

Deadpool: BETTY! You know I always had a thing for Bea, but, talk me up, and you just might to get to see my other saber.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea she was great with Reynolds in the Proposal. I think she'd be good as Al.

But anyway, we are getting off track.

The Death of Gwen Stacey? I'd love it, personally.

Have her death maybe at the end of the second, or middle of the third in a trilogy. The rest of the time would be Spidey trying to get the Goblin.

It's an iconic Spidey story. It's still 100% bonafide Spider-Man. But it is definitely not light hearted fluff. I honestly think that when the studio says "more like TDK" they are alluding to this story or Kravens Last Hunt or something similar.

I guarantee they do NOT mean make Spidey a dark, brooding vigilante like Batman. I ****ing guarantee it.

 

[Reikowolf]

Wish list for avoiding an origin tale and setting the tone for the world this spider-man lives in.

fade in to a TV broadcast, a blurred figure is seen in a black and white photo swinging across a building. Followed by blurry cell phone image of red figure, the eyes almost alien like.

Female narrator voice.

"Who is this supposed Spider-Man? Over the last year this has been the question posed by many New Yorkers. Urban legend? Mutant? Alien Visitor? Inside Edition went to leading researchers to find out."

A camera is shown in a research lab. Many black dressed officials looking through paperwork. They are wearing SHIELD tags. A scientist (hopefully Edward Norton) has not slept in days, the camera is shoved in his face. His name tag reads, Banner

"What.. oh, you guys. Listen lady, my field of study is radiation. I can tell you that there's no way radiation can cause the cross of attributes between humans and animals. That's the stuff you read about in comics."

In the background another scientist calls out to Banner

"Bruce! he's woken up! He's actually alive, after all these years!"

A look of shock strikes Bruce

"Okay, Can we get this camera crew out of here. I'm sick of this Stark PR ********!"

The camera is shoved aside as a black dressed agent covers the lens with his hands.

We cut back to the female narrator in a studio.

"Former government liaison and mutant rights activist, Dr Hank McCoy had the following to say."

Hank McCoy (Kelsey Grammar) is seen at the Xavier school.

"If he is a mutant, I hope he feels he is not alone. It can be a scary place for our kind. Especially if he is in hiding and not coming out publicly... there must be a reason for it"

"How do you feel about the fact that he has been labeled as a vigilante that feeds on criminals for sustenance by the Daily Bugle"

"Please madam, this is the same paper that reported mutants as alien invaders 30 years ago"

The camera cuts to JJJ at the daily bugle.

"J Jonah Jameson, Editor and chief of the Daily Bugle feels differently."

"Listen lady, If Tony Stark can tell the world that he is Iron Man, what's this Spider-guy's problem? All I'm publishing is what eye witnesses have said about the creep."

The camera cuts to footage of a man being arrested by police after an encounter with Spider-Man

"Those eyes! he had me tied up in a web and was going to feed on my insides! thank god the police showed up when they did!"

the camera pans over to a convenience store clerk

"I wish he had! *points to camera* This punk had me at gunpoint with a shotgun!"

Back to studio. Female narrator

"Is the spider-man a new, extreme vigilante, and if so, why hasn't Tony Stark, better known as Iron Man commented on his new competition."

The Camera cuts to Tony Stark (Downey Jr) leaving a party, Pepper Pots with him.

"The who? Spider-Man? We live in a crazy world. I'm proof of that, but if some guys feel they can do a better job than me wearing a pair of purple shorts, spandex or leather, I'd like to see them try."

laughter is heard in the background.

"All I'm saying is that we're still repairing the damage in Harlem and rebuilding Alcatraz. At least the damage I do happens on my own property....or over seas."

cuts back to studio.

"Whoever he is, the big question is, why is he hiding from the limelight?"

The camera pans out revealing a young Peter Parker watching television before school. He looks down at his hand, the scar is still there from the spider-bite.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

As nice as that is...that's just one big pipe dream involving far too many studios characters.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Pipe? Where? Who's got the pipe!?!? I WANT IT!

 

[Reikowolf]

yeah, I know

still... a guy can dream

 

[Dragon]

Uh no...the GA could give a rat's ass about what story arc the movie is being based around. Seriously? You really think the GA knows that stuff? They don't.

They just go to see Spider-Man in the theater and hope for a good movie. Comic fans like us? Sure, we'll know they are adapting a certain arc, but the more important GA? They won't know **** about what's coming for them.

And hell, Gwen's death is so iconic that I doubt many comic fans in the audiences would complain if EVERYTHING was lifted right from those panels in the arc, including dialogue and more, because it IS the MOMENT of Spider-Man comics.

The "GA" will know about the story, because concepts like Spider-Man No More were part of the promotional campaign.

And the "GA" have general knowledge about Spider-Man, which is why they're interested in seeing him in the first place. Considerng that The Death of Gwen Stacy is- as YOU mention, ICONIC, they will know about it. They maty not know exactly what happens but they'll know what it is.

 

[Crook]

The "GA" will know about the story, because concepts like Spider-Man No More were part of the promotional campaign.

And the "GA" have general knowledge about Spider-Man, which is why they're interested in seeing him in the first place. Considerng that The Death of Gwen Stacy is- as YOU mention, ICONIC, they will know about it. They maty not know exactly what happens but they'll know what it is.

What? I don't know a single GA member who can even identify who Gwen Stacy is, let alone what role she plays in the mythos.

 

[Nathan]

How many years ago what is when Gwen died? There's a whole new generation that hasn't got the slightest clue about that storyline.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The Death of Gwen Stacey is iconic in comic book circles. To fans of comic books.

But I severely doubt general audience members know about it.

And besides, the first movie won't be the death of Gwen, it would just be the introduction to Gwen. (if they go that route)

 

[Dragon]

What? I don't know a single GA member who can even identify who Gwen Stacy is, let alone what role she plays in the mythos.

Really? How about the people who forked out nearly a billion dollars worldwide to watch Spider-Man 3?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

She had about 5 scenes. That was Gwen in name only.

I bet no one in the GA knows she was Pete's original love. Or that she was killed.

 

[Crook]

You really think they can name her from a picture? I guarantee they can't even name Betty Brant or Dr. Connors, and they were supporting characters for the entire trilogy.

Even ignoring that, what makes you think they know the 'Death of Gwen' storyline? It was over 40 years ago. It's a known event in the comic book community, but it has most definitely not injected itself to pop culture status.

 

[Nathan]

Really? How about the people who forked out nearly a billion dollars worldwide to watch Spider-Man 3?

And again, who says that even half of those people knew what role Gwen played in the comics? For them she was probably nothing more than another love interest.

 

[Dragon]

You really think they can name her from a picture? I guarantee they can't even name Betty Brant or Dr. Connors, and they were supporting characters for the entire trilogy.

Even ignoring that, what makes you think they know the 'Death of Gwen' storyline? It was over 40 years ago. It's a known event in the comic book community, but it has most definitely not injected itself to pop culture status.

I'm saying THEY WILL KNOW by the time the movie was made, since it will be promoted and publicized. Especially if Gwen is established in previous films as the love interest.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Not everyone KNEW Rachel Dawes was gonna die in TDK did they?

Unless they did some research on the net.

 

[Dragon]

Not everyone KNEW Rachel Dawes was gonna die in TDK did they?

Unless they did some research on the net.

Actually, yeah they did. I didn't do any research about TDK and knew she died.

And Rachel Dawes is not a classic comic book character whose death is an Iconic storyline.

Furthermore, I don't think most folks liked Dawes. Even in Spidey 3 a large number of people liked Gwen better than MJ.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It's an iconic storyline to US. The comic book fans. And it is like, 40 years old.

But I agree, I didn't like the Dawes character and MJ in SM3 was just, ergh I hated her. I was constantly thinking "Why the **** does Pete wanna be with her? She is a self obsessed *****!"

 

[NinjaCarm]

Incorporate Gwen Stacy as the main love interest. Mary Jane is behind the scenes. Kill off Gwen Stacy in the second film called "Web of Spider-Man" with the real Green Goblin.

 

[Crook]

I'm saying THEY WILL KNOW by the time the movie was made, since it will be promoted and publicized. Especially if Gwen is established in previous films as the love interest.

Ah, ok I get your point. But there's also a point to be made that the general audience doesn't read heavily read into every promotional aspect of a movie. They'll watch the trailers, the spots, clips, etc. The places that will feature background info on featured characters, I very much doubt the average joe will even see.

With that said, it also relies on the studio to downplay such whispers. Should they decide to save the arc for a third movie, for example, the GA would have been so used to her as the new love interest that they probably wouldn't expect her to get killed off.

Actually, yeah they did. I didn't do any research about TDK and knew she died.

No, you wanted and expected her to die. As did most fans, because we hated the character and we wanted an actual female love interest from the books.

 

[Dragon]

It's an iconic storyline to US. The comic book fans. And it is like, 40 years old.

And because the story is iconic, they'd be talking about it on things like Entertainment Tonight,. The cast would be talking about it with Jay Leno, etc. I'm saying the story would get out.

But I agree, I didn't like the Dawes character and MJ in SM3 was just, ergh I hated her. I was constantly thinking "Why the **** does Pete wanna be with her? She is a self obsessed *****!"

Amen.