The Amazing Spider-Man The Gwen Stacy thread

[Rodrigo90]

Well can we have a realistic approach if Gwen acvuses Spidey killing her father? Cause after Norman died in Spider-Man 1,I wouldve expected a manhunt and public hating against him in 2.

What they should do. JJ hates Spidey (for personal reasons mainly) and uses The Daily Bugle as a weapon to slander Spider-Man. But the public adore him and denounce The Bugle as slander,so Peter actually doesnt mind taking photos and selling them to JJ,cause everyone knows its BS in The Bugle (The photos also put him in heroic situations,but that doesnt stop JJ twisting things).

BUT. After Captain Stacy is murdered and Spidey is spotted over his body by Gwen,the whole city turns against him and ofcourse JJ is overwhelmed with happiness, So Spidey must find the real killer and clear his name.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Sony does want to go darker and grittier.
What could be darker than having both your beloved Uncle and your GF die in the same week and the villain (Harry could be the first Goblin this time) escape scot-free.

Basically... Spider-Man fails... hard... a tragic tale...

Sorry Peter, no "Happy Little tale about a girl this time"

God I sound like Mephisto!

 

[Robin91939]

I understand the concern of bringing back villains that we've seen, especially ones we've seen done well. But I'm really thinking that the three main villains we will get in these films are Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom. I think that Ock will be in the first and we will get the death of Captain Stacey. Norman and Eddie Brock will be introduced. The second film will deal with the death of Gwen, ending the love rectangle plot. The third will feature Venom and maybe another villain yet to be seen on screen.

It's not exactly what I want, but it's what I feel will happen. They aren't going to use Vulture or a lesser name in a reboot that people will be unsure about wanting to see. Ock is proven, people loved him.

Goblin won't be the first villain, but he needs to be used in this new series. And we know that the studio loves Venom.....plus they have a spin off they need to build towards.

-R

 

[Abaddon]

The thing is, some of you act as if the whole purpose of her character was to die and make room for Mary Jane. The story where she died was powerful because she was an actual developed character. She was the leading lady in the series. And if things had gone differently Peter and Gwen would have gotten married and lived some ever after. It does a disservice to the character to use her as a plot device to get Pete with MJ so we can have other stories with her that could have easily been done with Gwen. I'm not against seeing her death play out, but I don't have any sort of sadistic desire to see her quickly removed from the series. I don't get the obsession with trilogies either. The third film is generally the weakest if film history is any indication.

Beyond that you can't expect the studio to pick up on characters from an already successful series and do a different version of the same story. There was over a decade of time between The Dark Knight and Burton's Batman. And all the films in between were heavily criticized and featured a rotation of actors even though they all followed the same continuity.

 

[Deaths Head II]

The thing is, some of you act as if the whole purpose of her character was to die and make room for Mary Jane. The story where she died was powerful because she was an actual developed character. She was the leading lady in the series. And if things had gone differently Peter and Gwen would have gotten married and lived some ever after. It does a disservice to the character to use her as a plot device to get Pete with MJ so we can have other stories with her that could have easily been done with Gwen. I'm not against seeing her death play out, but I don't have any sort of sadistic desire to see her quickly removed from the series. I don't get the obsession with trilogies either. The third film is generally the weakest if film history is any indication.

Beyond that you can't expect the studio to pick up on characters from an already successful series and do a different version of the same story. There was over a decade of time between The Dark Knight and Burton's Batman. And all the films in between were heavily criticized and featured a rotation of actors even though they all followed the same continuity.

I agree with all of the above.

The demand that Gwen show up just to die really annoys me.

 

[TheSlag]

this is coming from a guy that loved the Gwen Stacy character.

She should Die.

Take 3 films to develop her character and entrench her with the GA, just like she was with the Comic Audience, and her death will be meaningful and shocking, just like it was back then.

Edit - and IF you DO Sony.. Guard this storyline, do not leak it, do not even hint at it with previews. Let us be blissfully ignorant going in, thinking NOPE, they did not have the guts to do it.

Synopsis The Night Gwen Stacy Died

Peter, his girlfriend Gwen Stacy, and friend Mary Jane Watson visit Harry, who is in a sorry state. His father Norman is livid about Harry's condition, blames Peter, Gwen, and Mary Jane for Harry's drug abuse, and throws them out. When Norman hears that he is facing financial ruin, he suffers a breakdown, and suddenly remembers everything. Norman again becomes the Green Goblin and makes it his goal to kill Peter/Spider-Man for all the misery he imagines Spider-Man has caused him and his family.

The Green Goblin abducts Gwen and lures Spider-Man to the George Washington Bridge. Holding an unconscious Gwen, he gloats at Peter. The two fight, and just when Spider-Man seems to get hold of Gwen, Norman hurls her off the bridge. Spider-Man shoots a web strand at her legs, and catches her. As he pulls her up, he thinks he has saved her. However, he soon realizes she is already dead. Peter is unsure whether the whiplash from her sudden stop broke her neck or if Osborn had broken it previously, but he blames himself for her death regardless. The Green Goblin escapes, and Peter cries over Gwen's corpse and swears deadly revenge.

Spider-Man tracks Green Goblin down to a warehouse where Peter beats Norman to a pulp. But he cannot bring himself to kill him and freezes. Norman uses the opportunity to send his glider to impale Spider-Man from behind. Warned by his spider-sense, Peter jumps away just in time, and the glider instead impales the Green Goblin and seemingly kills him.

Peter goes home, feeling washed-out, hurt, and deeply empty. When he meets Mary Jane, her sympathy is lost on him. He only sees MJ as a carefree party girl, unable to feel his pain. But then, Mary Jane also cries, and for the first time, the two characters relate.

*wow*

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I like your thinking Slag.

 

[TheSlag]

I want to throw something out I have been thinking/wondering about just to see what everyone would think if they took this route.

Instead of killing Gwen, how would you feel if they basically changed the storyline to have the Goblin kill Aunt May in the 3rd film (or later).

Would it have the same impact, or not?

I have thought about a broken Peter (no mask obviously) holding a dieing Aunt May, where she tells him that she had known he was Spider-Man before this unmasking by the Goblin.

I am not sure, this is Gwen's Legacy to me, but it could be way to still fulfill the Goblin Legacy without having to go the exact same route.

Thoughts?

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Hmm, that actually could work and might even be more evil and menacing of a legacy for Norman to have than killing Gwen.

 

[Robin91939]

The thing is, some of you act as if the whole purpose of her character was to die and make room for Mary Jane. The story where she died was powerful because she was an actual developed character. She was the leading lady in the series. And if things had gone differently Peter and Gwen would have gotten married and lived some ever after. It does a disservice to the character to use her as a plot device to get Pete with MJ so we can have other stories with her that could have easily been done with Gwen. I'm not against seeing her death play out, but I don't have any sort of sadistic desire to see her quickly removed from the series. I don't get the obsession with trilogies either. The third film is generally the weakest if film history is any indication.

Beyond that you can't expect the studio to pick up on characters from an already successful series and do a different version of the same story. There was over a decade of time between The Dark Knight and Burton's Batman. And all the films in between were heavily criticized and featured a rotation of actors even though they all followed the same continuity.

If Jason Todd was introduced into the Batman film series....his point would solely be to die.

It does not matter that he was a well fleshed out character that was around for 5 or 6 years. It doesn't matter that he was like a son to Bruce Wayne....his greatest impact on our heroes life was in death.

I'm not saying that Gwen can't be a great, well fleshed out character in the film's that she is in...but ultimately, she has to die. She has to make room for MJ. Why? Because MJ is the one that Peter ended up with, time and again. MJ is the one who survived.

Like Jason, Gwen was Peter's biggest failure as a hero. It renews his crusade just as losing Jason reminded Bruce that his fight was not yet over. She has been just as important, probably more, in death than while alive. I would love for a film to follow the ideas of Spider-man: Blue. Have Peter recount his first meetings with Gwen and how they fell in love. But have him end up with Mary Jane and have her understand her husband's and her loss, in losing Gwen.

She shouldn't be introduced and immediately killed...but she cannot survive. Her importance dead is too great. It separates the Goblin as his arch-enemy. It shows his mortality as a hero. A hero has to lose to have his victories stand out. To have his greatest love fall in his fight against evil was something fresh and original when it happened, which is why it was such a landmark.

-R

 

[CrypticOne]

I say keep Gwen Stacy in the movies until at least the end of the second one.

 

[Dangerous]

I want Gwen as the love interest w/ no MJ in the film.

But it would be stupid to kill her in the first one, they can do that in number 2.

The 2012 film should end w/ PP & Gwen together and everything rosy.

 

[sdc10]

Im not saying that she should die in the first movie, Gwen should be built up. But lets face it the characters destiny is to die. Her death is as much a driving force for Peter as Uncle Ben's death was.

 

[cabjvitu]

i would love if this could be adapted forgetting everything else...

anyways..

they say they will go the ultimate route... meh

i hope MJ is not with him at the same school, they can play it like in the comics.. ¨oh i don´t like blind dates¨ then the famous ¨face it tiger you just hit the jackpot¨line.. maybe not even in the first movie.. like you can hint it from half of the first movie.. have gwen instead as his interest.. building till the moment of her death prolly by the end of the second movie.. that´s the moment pete stops being a teenager.. and the third movie bieng him becoming the man, the spider-MAN. Prolly facing this new threat called Venom, who knows who he is and TERRORIZES him and the girl who make him believe he can be happy again, MJ.

IMO they should not go for an origins story again... but it looks like they will... if they go for ultimate ways.. some licenses with the character were horrible..
anyways i would LOVE for a spidey in his 30s.. oh well.. these days with the succes of tdk and twilight, everything looks like it has to be DARK or TWEEN FOR.. that´s the formula, suist might think...
anyhow.. with Marc Weeb at the helm, a guy who could really get big if doing well, Sony manages to get a cheaper budget and more maleable director.. i just hope he has a saying in casting... but i have faith, i really liked 500 days of summer.. even though it is a movie pretty different from a spiderman movie, it could be linked somehow.. for making it more real with peter´s view of life.. not just having him crying at the screen like fat tobey did...
still he did not make a movie for teenies... and we all pray this is not the first one.

poor budget, poor script, poor directing and acting : twilight
this is not the spidey we want.

Not a huge budget like before, going smaller, but getting less cheese, good characters, great spidey moments, having a FUN and adventurous spiderman movie.
This is what i hope for, under this new conditions.

OH and spidey being spidey cracking jokes please.

ps: a thing that worries me is the look of the suit... but for that it´s just wait and see.

ps 2: peter is a cool guy not a complete nerd, with the spidey powers he gets cooler as a person too.

 

[SpideyRacoon44]

If Gwen dies, it should not be mentioned in the previews or anything. She has to be a well developed character and honestly, I think they should change her death just a bit. Green Goblin still kills her, but I think they should change it so the fans don't know exactly what is going to happen.

 

[sdc10]

they say they will go the ultimate route... meh

Just because they said they are going the ultimate route does not mean the movie will be a direct translation of it. Obviously they are gonna look at ultimate spidey because he is a kid in high school in that book which is the same setting and tone they want for this film.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I want Gwen as the love interest w/ no MJ in the film.

But it would be stupid to kill her in the first one, they can do that in number 2.

The 2012 film should end w/ PP & Gwen together and everything rosy.

I concur.

 

[SLYspyder]

I would love to see the GS storyline. That's one big ball that was dropped with the Raimi movies because he was rushing it.

You don't need three movies to set it up, not even two, but I'd prefer two.

Have Peter and Gwen become an item in the first one and are still at item in the second one. Then at the end of the second one, we have can the bridge scene. Have the uncertainty of if Spidey could've saved her or not. And most definitely have the anger and rage when Gwen is dead.

I envision SM webbing Gwen as the Goblin glides away laughing. He pulls her up then carries her lifeless body and lays her on the ground, you can hear him crying. Then two squad cars roll up and 4 cops get out and tell him to freeze and put his hands up. He has no time for this, in one swift move, he slaps both cars out of his way, you can hear the sound of crunching metal and webs up all 4 of the officers, then goes back to be with Gwen.

 

[Michael Frost]

Well it seems kinda ripped off...

the general audience doesn't know aboit Gwens death in the comics...

Are you serious?

A comic book movie ripping off the comics its based on? Outrageous! Talk about lack of criativity there!

 

[Reikowolf]

I feel it's important to write an arc and only put in something that is essential to move the story along. There's a rule in script writing, don't introduce a gun in the first act unless you're going to use it in the final act.

And ideal way to plan the franchise out this time around would be

Director A (Webb)
The Night Gwen Stacey Died (Spider-Man 1-3)
- Peter and Gwen, MJ introduced as a secondary character in the second movie
- Entirely in High school, ending in senior year
- The original baddies but Only the Goblin from the Raimi franchise (example: Chameleon/ Mysterio / Rhino)
- baddies should only be in script if they serve the overall story, not for fan service.

In line with the comics, the first three movies take up the early mythos with some college life arcs but all taking place in highschool

Director B
The Six Arm Saga
- university years (Spider-Man 4-6)
- Introduce Jean De-Wolfe
- Crime saga as the underworld has become organized against spider-man
- Villains would include (The Lizard, Morbius, kraven, Silvermane as the main villain)
- Peter and MJ establish relationship in 4

The second major arc has Spider-Man introduced into an adult world of crime and dealing with physical changes of his own.. almost like a second puberty with his mutation

Director C
The black suit (Spider-Man 7-9)
- partners in crime with the black cat
- Villains include: Hobgoblin, Dr Octopus, and Venom as the main villain)
- Spider-Man disillusioned from crime fighting.
- Peter and MJ's relationship is at risk due to the black cat and Peter's change in attitude. Peter ends up with MJ by the end of 8 but must deal with Venom in 9.

This arc would begin with the introduction of the black suit and end with Venom. A sins of the father type story begins as Harry realizes who his father was. The arc will begin and end on the darkest tone for the series.

Spider-Man 10
- The Sinister 6, the top 5 villains of all 9 films
- Norman Osborn is revealed to be alive and leads them against spider-man.
- Spider-Man's retribution
- Ends with the wedding

I cannot think of a better way to end the saga with a bang. Ultimately, this would be the point to end it, otherwise we go into Clone Saga territory.

Just my two cents

 

[Reikowolf]

I feel it's important to write an arc and only put in something that is essential to move the story along. There's a rule in script writing, don't introduce a gun in the first act unless you're going to use it in the final act.

And ideal way to plan the franchise out this time around would be

Director A (Webb)
The Night Gwen Stacey Died (Spider-Man 1-3)
- Peter and Gwen, MJ introduced as a secondary character in the second movie
- Entirely in High school, ending in senior year
- The original baddies but Only the Goblin from the Raimi franchise (example: Chameleon/ Mysterio / Rhino)
- baddies should only be in script if they serve the overall story, not for fan service.

In line with the comics, the first three movies take up the early mythos with some college life arcs but all taking place in highschool

Director B
The Six Arm Saga
- university years (Spider-Man 4-6)
- Introduce Jean De-Wolfe
- Crime saga as the underworld has become organized against spider-man
- Villains would include (The Lizard, Morbius, kraven, Silvermane as the main villain)
- Peter and MJ establish relationship in 4

The second major arc has Spider-Man introduced into an adult world of crime and dealing with physical changes of his own.. almost like a second puberty with his mutation

Director C
The black suit (Spider-Man 7-9)
- partners in crime with the black cat
- Villains include: Hobgoblin, Dr Octopus, and Venom as the main villain)
- Spider-Man disillusioned from crime fighting.
- Peter and MJ's relationship is at risk due to the black cat and Peter's change in attitude. Peter ends up with MJ by the end of 8 but must deal with Venom in 9.

This arc would begin with the introduction of the black suit and end with Venom. A sins of the father type story begins as Harry realizes who his father was. The arc will begin and end on the darkest tone for the series.

Spider-Man 10
- The Sinister 6, the top 5 villains of all 9 films
- Norman Osborn is revealed to be alive and leads them against spider-man.
- Spider-Man's retribution
- Ends with the wedding

I cannot think of a better way to end the saga with a bang. Ultimately, this would be the point to end it, otherwise we go into Clone Saga territory.

Just my two cents

 

[Reikowolf]

the director of spider-man 10 would be someone new or the director from the most popular of the 3 arcs

 

[Dangerous]

delete.

 

[Dangerous]

Just have Gwen as the main Love interest in the new film, and have them get together by the end of the new film.

Then in 2 have the Goblin off her,- simple.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

I would like to see the gwen stacy story told right. I dont want her being punk emo goth chick she was in the ultimate, im leaning more along the lines of her being peters best friend ala spectacular spiderman, and he asks her out as he becomes more confident in himself the longer he is spiderman.