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The Honduran Coup

so a coup by a right winger because the leftist president asked for a ballot initiative is justified?

Clearly you have done little research.

He didn't simply ask for a ballot initiative.

It is illegal for the President to try to amend the constitution, he violated on the rights of the Congress by trying to do so from the Executive branch of office. All levels of the government condemned him.

Also, before throwing around labels like "right winger", do your research. The new President of Honduras is from the Zelaya's own liberal party.

That article was very presumptious of people's intent including Zelaya's, assuming the best of him while assuming the worst of everyone else. Furthermore, it wasn't a coup by right wingers. It was a coup by everyone. It was a unanimous vote in their legislative body. Zelaya's political allies voted for it. On top of that Zelaya had a 30 % approval rating. There has been celebration in Honduras Clearly the people were behind such a move.

I agree entirely. The opinion posted relies on the idea that Zelaya was acting as some great leader of democracy. I ask, would such a symbol of democracy be best friends with Hugo Chavez?
 
I think they should have waited and just voted him out...

Those leading the coup, IMO, have a different motive, than stronger leadership for the people...
The president only has a one term 4 year limit. He is already technically out. It's their congress that decides on constitutional amendements anyways.
 
so a coup by a right winger because the leftist president asked for a ballot initiative is justified?

It wasn't a right winged coup, especially when he was replaced by a member of his own party. The Honduran Supreme Court and the Honduran Congress (of which Zelaya's party is the majority party) unanimously approved of his removal.

He wasn't asking for a ballot initiative, he was pushing for an illegal referendum. He knew it was illegal. The military, courts, and legislature refused to back him saying that it was illegal, and he was still intent on doing it anyway. And chances of the ballot being rigged by Chavez and Ortega were pretty high.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530121,00.html

Ousted President's Plane Circles Runway, Can't Land in Honduras




So, I am leaving in the morning for Nicaragua, then Honduras on Wednesday. Wish me luck. When I return, I will post a little report on it. If I can get on the internet while there, I will say something to everyone.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530121,00.html

Ousted President's Plane Circles Runway, Can't Land in Honduras




So, I am leaving in the morning for Nicaragua, then Honduras on Wednesday. Wish me luck. When I return, I will post a little report on it. If I can get on the internet while there, I will say something to everyone.

You're going to the motherland for me. Nicaragua. Be sure to visit San Juan del Sur. :up:
 
I'm only going to Esteli. Sorry .
 
so as far as the US in concerned, are coups only good when backed by someone we support??
 
so as far as the US in concerned, are coups only good when backed by someone we support??
I guess you could say that. Well backed by the general of the international community.

In this instance, it is not even a coup. I can understand people arguing that deporting him out of the country might be extreme, but according to their constitution they had to remove him from power somehow.
 
I guess you could say that. Well backed by the general of the international community.

In this instance, it is not even a coup. I can understand people arguing that deporting him out of the country might be extreme, but according to their constitution they had to remove him from power somehow.

So i guess they never heard of the Impeachment proses.
 
So i guess they never heard of the Impeachment proses.

You know that countries outside of the United States don't go by our Constitution right? They actually did go through their version of the impeachment process. He was voted out by their version of Congress and backed by their Supreme Court.
 
You know that countries outside of the United States don't go by our Constitution right? They actually did go through their version of the impeachment process. He was voted out by their version of Congress and backed by their Supreme Court.

Why was it called a coup still and not a lawful Impeachment....other countries have different forms of impeachments right?
 
Why was it called a coup still and not a lawful Impeachment....other countries have different forms of impeachments right?

Because it's a lot cooler for CNN to call it a Coup.
 
Ousted Honduran president expected in Washington

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to meet with deposed Honduran President Manuel Zelaya this week as the Obama administration weighs responses to his ouster.
The talks planned for Tuesday would be the administration's highest-level contact with Zelaya since he was overthrown in a coup eight days ago, coming two days after his failed attempt to return to Honduras deepened the country's political crisis.

Zelaya met with two senior U.S. diplomats in Washington on Sunday after the Organization of American States suspended Honduras for its role in the coup and before the deposed president tried to return to Honduras by plane. Zelaya got as close as several hundred feet above the Tegucigalpa airport but had to turn away because of obstacles placed on the runway on orders of the interim government.

Clashes between police and soldiers and Zelaya supporters left at least one fatality at the airport on Sunday and thousands of supporters have been marching to protest his overthrow. About 2,000 demonstrated peacefully Monday near the presidential palace.

Diplomats with the United Nations, the OAS, the United States and European countries worked behind the scenes Monday to seek common ground with interim President Roberto Micheletti, who heads the government that replaced Zelaya. But Micheletti has vowed not to negotiate until "things return to normal."

The Obama administration has made few public moves since Zelaya was deposed, deferring to the OAS. The U.S. has had limited military-to-military contacts and frozen programs that directly aid the Honduran government. But it has not yet determined whether Zelaya's ouster should trigger an automatic suspension in all non-humanitarian American assistance to Honduras.

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Monday that the United States "deplores the use of force against demonstrators in Tegucigalpa" and called on "the de facto regime and all actors in Honduras to refrain from all acts of violence and seek a peaceful, constitutional and lasting solution to the serious divisions in that country through dialogue."

"Our goal remains the restoration of the democratic order in Honduras and we renew our call on all political and social actors in Honduras to find a peaceful solution to this crisis," Kelly said. "We're very focused on the need for a dialogue to restore him back (to office) and restore the democratic order."

The new Honduran government that replaced Zelaya has vowed to arrest him for 18 alleged criminal acts including treason and failing to implement more than 80 laws approved by Congress since he took office in 2006. Zelaya also refused to comply with a Supreme Court ruling against his planned referendum on whether to hold an assembly to consider changing the constitution.

Zelaya was in Nicaragua on Monday after a late Sunday news conference in El Salvador in which he urged world leaders to step up efforts to return him to power.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9995FD00&show_article=1

Wow. I, uh....wow.
 
Left extremist anti American leader gets ousted, moderate comes in. Can't say I will shed a tear. The Supreme Court authorized the coup anyways.

As a realist I give this a thumbs up.

And it would be pretty stupid of Obama to try to get Zelaya back in since it work against American interests.

Agreed. Like in the old days, United States should support this kind of dictatorship. Those were good dictatorships. If the damn leftists won, a coup was organized and then all the ****ing communists were sent to jail or killed. Beautiful. Like that great man Henry Kissinger said "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its people." Who cares about what the people want? Democracy is overrated anyway.

I really don't understand why Obama is supporting a President elected democratically. This guy is crazy.
 
I think if its an internal issue...anyone, including the US, should stay out of it as long as it doesn't spill into other countries
 
The fact that guys like Chavez and Ortega support Zelaya is reason enough to not want him back in power.
 
The fact that he wants to do throw out term limits for the President, and is willing to sidestep their constitution is enough, IMO.

What I hate is the fact that we know damn good and well that money from the US is supporting this coup, and we will simply turn our heads....

The hypocrisy is ridiculously sad.
 
Agreed. Like in the old days, United States should support this kind of dictatorship. Those were good dictatorships. If the damn leftists won, a coup was organized and then all the ****ing communists were sent to jail or killed. Beautiful. Like that great man Henry Kissinger said "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go Communist due to the irresponsibility of its people." Who cares about what the people want? Democracy is overrated anyway.

I really don't understand why Obama is supporting a President elected democratically. This guy is crazy.


Zelaya has a 30 % approval rating. The peoples' representatives in Congress unanimously voted for his removal. Him staying in power is not exactly what the people want.
 
Zelaya has a 30 % approval rating. The peoples' representatives in Congress unanimously voted for his removal. Him staying in power is not exactly what the people want.

So, If a poll says that a president has 30% a approval rating he should be removed from power by force? Nice...

Then why make those things called ELECTIONS? Let's just hear what the polls say and put in power the guy with the best approval rating.

Zelaya won in a democratic election, like it or nor that decision should've been respected (and I hate Chavez, Correa and Ortega, but they were all democratically elected too)
 
So, If a poll says that a president has 30% a approval rating he should be removed from power by force? Nice...

Then why make those things called ELECTIONS? Let's just hear what the polls say and put in power the guy with the best approval rating.

Zelaya won in a democratic election, like it or nor that decision should've been respected (and I hate Chavez, Correa and Ortega, but they were all democratically elected too)

Wow...just wow.
 
well if he got into office and is seeking to eliminate term limits and abolish the constitution or whatever...isn't a coup in order??
 
So, If a poll says that a president has 30% a approval rating he should be removed from power by force? Nice...

Then why make those things called ELECTIONS? Let's just hear what the polls say and put in power the guy with the best approval rating.

Zelaya won in a democratic election, like it or nor that decision should've been respected (and I hate Chavez, Correa and Ortega, but they were all democratically elected too)

You do realize that the Congress that voted Zelaya out was Democratically elected as well?

You also realize that Zelaya tried to use the military to override the Supreme Court and Congress, and then starting firing military leaders when they would not cooperate?

You also realize that Zelaya was defying the Honduras constitution?

I mean if America can impeach Presidents, why can't Honduras?
 

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