The Horror Thread - Part 1

Status
Not open for further replies.
I havent felt a crowd response from a horror film in the theater since My Bloody Valentine 3D which I loved in the theater, it was a great time popcorn flyin and all.
 
I havent felt a crowd response from a horror film in the theater since My Bloody Valentine 3D which I loved in the theater, it was a great time popcorn flyin and all.
My last great horror experience in a theater was Paranormal Activity 2. People were screaming and jumping and it was great.

Picked up a few movies yesterday: V/H/S 2 (haven't seen it yet but liked the first.), The Loved Ones (total blind buy, never heard of it but it was $5 at Sam's Club.), and Friday the 13th (2009) (wasn't a big fan of the remake but it is the only F13 film I don't own, and it was $5 at Sam's Club.)
 
I have yet to watch VHS I know it's on Netflix and heard a lot of good things but I am the farthest thing from a fan of any kind of found footage type of film.
 
yqfz.png
 
I watched the original NoES last night. What a classic film. I love it so much. I'm making good progress with my marathon and it's not even October yet. I just know that watching NoES2 and Jason Goes To Hell are going to be an absolute pain to get through though.
 
I watched the original NoES last night. What a classic film. I love it so much. I'm making good progress with my marathon and it's not even October yet. I just know that watching NoES2 and Jason Goes To Hell are going to be an absolute pain to get through though.

NOES2 is really underrated imo. Don't get the hate. Never have. I'm glad it's gotten more respect in the recent years from horror fans.
 
Not to go off on the same rant again...but I can not contribute to the financial gain of Jeepers Creepers. Can't do it...refuse to. So, I'd skip a sequel just as I'd skip any other movie he did.

As far as The Strangers goes...I remember seeing a scene in a clip before the movie came out...where the good guy has a shotgun and the bad guy has a blade of some sort. The movie should have ended there. I'm guessing that for some reason the good guy refused to shoot the guy who wanted to kill him, and I suppose he eventually just gave the bad guys his gun. I have no interest in watching a movie where the hero has far more firepower than the bad guys but chooses not to use it just to serve the plot.
 
Last edited:
NOES2 is really underrated imo. Don't get the hate. Never have. I'm glad it's gotten more respect in the recent years from horror fans.

Who knows, maybe I'll like it this time. I only saw it for the first time like over five years ago.
 
I've been asking for that for years now. A fan of those films, the character design looked great. Can definitely squeeze one more movie out of the franchise.

Same here. I'd like to see some Jeepers Creepers prequels. Most film makers will want to go farther & farther into the future. I think, with how long The Creeper has been around (some of his past victims had wooden teeth), a series of prequels would be far more interesting.
 
I think both options are viable. The end of 2 obviously leads directly to a third film, where future films that follow can explore the Creeper's past. Just a shame that nothings come of this.
 
The first F13, while certainly a classic, almost feels like a shoddier version of Halloween with a "twist" at the end. But it lacks the suspense and sense of dread that Halloween is known for. You can tell they were influenced by Halloween and the idea of a "slasher film", but wanted to avoid the idea of a masked killer...until they completely threw that out the door and gave us a masked killer (Jason) in F13 Part 2.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Friday The 13th was a shoddier version of Halloween, but it certainly was a more extreme version of the same basic concept.

I don't get why some people dislike it because "nothing happens during the first hour". Nothing happens in the first hour of Halloween either, yet that movie is almost universally loved. Me? I love both films almost equally. I think the first Friday The 13th did a really good job of developing a sense of dread and foreboding throughout the film. Halloween did it better, but Friday was almost as good.

The originals of Friday The 13th & Halloween are such perfect examples of how slasher films should be made. Establish a past evil. Put a bunch of young people in a situation where they're cut off from help from adult authority figures. Then have some mysterious psychopath killing them off one by one. Take your time, let the tension build up slowly, until it gets to be a fever pitch during the last 30 minutes or so of the movie. That's what so many film makers, studio executives, and so called "horror fans" just don't seem to understand these days. They want a kill or a jump scare every five minutes in their films. If the villain can kill a dozen people in the first five minutes of the movie they're like "Yay!" To me, that's just boring.

Kinda reminds me of me former roommate, who watches a lot of porn. He likes to fastforward through the entire video, and only watch the "money shots". When I watch porn (hey, I'm a guy, so yeah I'll watch porn every now and then) I prefer to watch the WHOLE scene. To me the money shot is meaningless without everything that leads up to it.
 
I think for me, Dr. Loomis is just a very appealing character that he carries the film until the "good stuff" starts happening. And even with that, there are enough good scenes (breaking out of prison, stalking Laurie, etc) in the first hour that don't make it as much as a slow burn than F13 is. I mean, Kevin Bacon's death is great, the scene with that hitchhiker, I think her name is Ann, is great; but other than that it's a pretty slow burn.
 
Pleasance being the seasoned actor he was at that point in his career sells the film the moment he's on screen, the film would not have worked without him in the Loomis role IMO.
 
NOES2 is really underrated imo. Don't get the hate. Never have. I'm glad it's gotten more respect in the recent years from horror fans.

Agreed, I love NOES2 it was the first one I owned actually. Strange his on DVD they changed the end credits from the VHS copy though. I always wondered why they did that.
 
Same here. I'd like to see some Jeepers Creepers prequels. Most film makers will want to go farther & farther into the future. I think, with how long The Creeper has been around (some of his past victims had wooden teeth), a series of prequels would be far more interesting.
jeepers3.jpg

This is actually a real teaser poster apparently. But the movie hasn't gotten green lit, even though the story idea has been posted, and it is a sequel to the original. Apparently the director was planning to end it in such a way that it would wrap with a 13-episode TV series. Not sure if that'll still happen if it ever moves forward.

As for my opinion of Salva, I don't like what he did at all, but I try to distance myself from a director's history and their films.

Also on another note, I used to hate NoES2, but after viewing it a couple years later, I love it. It is such a different sequel, and I like it quite a bit. I loved the insight into the subtext and such on the "Never Sleep Again" documentary.
 
I think for me, Dr. Loomis is just a very appealing character that he carries the film until the "good stuff" starts happening. And even with that, there are enough good scenes (breaking out of prison, stalking Laurie, etc) in the first hour that don't make it as much as a slow burn than F13 is. I mean, Kevin Bacon's death is great, the scene with that hitchhiker, I think her name is Ann, is great; but other than that it's a pretty slow burn.

True. The only seasoned actor they had on F13 was Betsy Palmer, and she didn't show up for the last 15 minutes or so of the movie.

However, I found a lot of the younger cast more likeable than those of Halloween. Especially Linda. If you made a drinking game where you do a shot every time she says "totally" you'd be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning half way through the movie. And Lindsey, the girl Annie was babysitting, was a little s**t. None of the characters in F13 are quite so annoying, at least IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Halloween. But I can certainly see why people dislike those characters. They're certainly my least favorite characters in the whole movie.
 
I think both options are viable. The end of 2 obviously leads directly to a third film, where future films that follow can explore the Creeper's past. Just a shame that nothings come of this.

Unfortunately most film makers would go farther and farther into the future, until we've got "Jeepers Creepers In Space". I swear, no one will learn their lesson from the disasters that were Jason X & Leprichaun 4 (I think that's the one where he goes intop space). They will actually think "The Creeper vs Laser Guns! Yes! That'll be so cool!"
 
Last edited:
I don't get why some people dislike it because "nothing happens during the first hour". Nothing happens in the first hour of Halloween either, yet that movie is almost universally loved.

I would disagree, purely because Halloween does it so much better. The build up in the F13 movies (and the other Halloween movies) frequently feels perfunctory, or like wheel spinning. There really isn't anything that important going on. The original Halloween accomplishes a lot in it's build up phase. It's not just passing time. None of it feels unnecessary and all of it is fun in its dreadful foreboding. Most other Slasher movies just don't pull that off.
 
Unfortunately most film makers would go farther and farther into the future, until we've got "Jeepers Creepers In Space". I swear, no one will learn their lesson from the disasters that were Jason X & Leprichaun 4 (I think that's the one where he goes intop space). They will actually think "The Creeper vs Laser Guns! Yes! That'll be so cool!"
Jason X vs Creeper 2.0! Fund it!

Yes, I liked Jason X. But I agree, this is a franchise we can move backwards in when it comes to storytelling.
 
Ok here's one, what does everyone think of Halloween: H20?

I personally think it only has a few minor issues. The mask been one in that they should have picked the right mask from the start sad they shouldn't have messed with John Ottman's score. In a way I think putting the first two films alongside this one names a terrific Halloween trilogy. The head chopping scene really should gave been the end to the franchise.
 
Ok here's one, what does everyone think of Halloween: H20?

I personally think it only has a few minor issues. The mask been one in that they should have picked the right mask from the start sad they shouldn't have messed with John Ottman's score. In a way I think putting the first two films alongside this one names a terrific Halloween trilogy. The head chopping scene really should gave been the end to the franchise.

I have always thought of H1, H2 and H20 as a trilogy. I never got the hate for H20. Many of the long standing criticisms are very misguided. People call it a Scream clone. Why? Sure, it's more modern looking than the other films, only because it IS a modern film. Is it because of the teens? The three teens in this film are no different than any other cast of teens in the series or most other slasher flicks. Hell, they are barely in the film. The character of Laurie is still the main protagonist and I think haters completely miss how the bulk of the film is about her. This is very much Laurie's film. It doesn't concern itself with trying to be ultra hip or modern with meta humor gags. It's a straight forward slasher film. The stalk sequences are genuinely suspenseful and the last act is one of the best of any slasher film ever made.

I like to pretend Resurrection never happened. You can argue most sequels are made solely for profit but Resurrection is one of the only films where I could genuinely feel the greed of the producers oozing through the screen. Every single aspect of that film is fake and phony-the plot, the characters, the acting, the absolutely idiotic and insulting way Mike is still alive....urgh it makes me so angry. It's one of my most hated films of all time. Say what you want about Rob Zombies films. At least they are a distinct vision of the director whether you hate it or not. Resurrection is a soulless, empty insult of the highest order.
 
I like H20.

There was nothing groundbreaking or top-notch in it, but, it is a good horror flick. The locations and sets are terrific: they really ooze atmosphere. Additionally, the characters are written well and played well (again, nothing ground-breaking, but satisfactory.) My only complaint is a minor one: I wish they had used Ottman's score, instead of recycling cues from Scream. I listened to his original soundtrack and have to say, it would have great in the film. Nitpicking aside, this is one of the few films that I play every October.
 
I have always thought of H1, H2 and H20 as a trilogy. I never got the hate for H20. Many of the long standing criticisms are very misguided. People call it a Scream clone. Why? Sure, it's more modern looking than the other films, only because it IS a modern film. Is it because of the teens? The three teens in this film are no different than any other cast of teens in the series or most other slasher flicks. Hell, they are barely in the film. The character of Laurie is still the main protagonist and I think haters completely miss how the bulk of the film is about her. This is very much Laurie's film. It doesn't concern itself with trying to be ultra hip or modern with meta humor gags. It's a straight forward slasher film. The stalk sequences are genuinely suspenseful and the last act is one of the best of any slasher film ever made.

I like to pretend Resurrection never happened. You can argue most sequels are made solely for profit but Resurrection is one of the only films where I could genuinely feel the greed of the producers oozing through the screen. Every single aspect of that film is fake and phony-the plot, the characters, the acting, the absolutely idiotic and insulting way Mike is still alive....urgh it makes me so angry. It's one of my most hated films of all time. Say what you want about Rob Zombies films. At least they are a distinct vision of the director whether you hate it or not. Resurrection is a soulless, empty insult of the highest order.

You know what tonally I can see the Scream comparisons both are set round high schools but other than that H20 is very different. Scream borrowed heavily from the original Halloween quite intentionally! even so far to the point that it basically gets pointed out in the film. I agree with what you said on H20, I'd even add that the script is very clever at times especially when Laurie is teaching the class and what she's talking about references what she eventually has to do in the film by the end:up:

I just hated everything Zombie did with the Halloween films,I really wushu they'd gave made Patrick Lussiers Halloween 3D though.

I don't mind Resurrection I think remove Busta Ryhmes and it's ok. I even liked the big brother style idea behind it, but ultimately I think the better choice would have been to do the whole film in a mental asylum with Laurie.

I love H20 think it's one of the best of the series, I'd rank them like this:

Halloween 10/10
Halloween 2 9/10
Halloween 4 8.5/10
Halloween H20 8/10
Halloween III (heavily underrated, although it fails as a Myers film fir a film set on a Halloween it's great) 7.5/10
Halloween 6 6.5/10
Halloween Resurrection 6/10
Halloween 5 5/10
RZ Halloween 4/10
Halloween 6 Producers Cut 3/10
RZ Halloween 2 2/10 (that 2 is for the dream sequence only)

I like H20.

There was nothing groundbreaking or top-notch in it, but, it is a good horror flick. The locations and sets are terrific: they really ooze atmosphere. Additionally, the characters are written well and played well (again, nothing ground-breaking, but satisfactory.) My only complaint is a minor one: I wish they had used Ottman's score, instead of recycling cues from Scream. I listened to his original soundtrack and have to say, it would have great in the film. Nitpicking aside, this is one of the few films that I play every October.

Nice to see it getting some praise on here, everywhere else I go they tend to slate it. I totally agree on the Ottman thing, like I said fix that and put the right mask all the way through, oh and also add Dinald Pleasance actual dialogue from the original and actually have the balls to kill LL Cool J (who wasn't bad in it) and I think it'd been totally spot on, but it was pretty close anyway.


Something else I always wondered about H20 does anyone know if the head chopping moment set up intentionally for the twist that came to pas in the next one? Cause you do see him feel his head and look a little startled that he's wearing a mask or at least it appears that way.
 
Last edited:
I want slashers to have a resurgence. I'm not a fan of ghost movies and the only good found footage film yet has been Cloverfield and even that's not too great.
 
H20 was the first slasher movie I ever saw and I watched it plenty of times. My love of horror might have started with that movie. Seeing someone decapitated and watching the head roll down a hill was pretty cool to the 8 year old Blitzkrieg.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"