The Horror Thread - Part 2

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Watched the original Halloween today. Still one of my favorite films of all time.

Almost bought Curse of Chucky, decided I'd wait and see if I can't get the Blu Ray collection.
 
When we see Jason drown in the original Friday the 13th he's already deformed.

Also yeah you can say Crystal Lake is a small town but why didn't Jason go back into the town after surviving his drowning? Boy or not I'm sure he could walk.

Also the regeneration thing is something I thought had only came in later Friday sequels after the 6th one. Its never mentioned in the early films though (infact was Jason X the first to mention it?) and novelisations aren't considered canon.

I know novelizations aren't considered canon, I'm just pointing out that that's one explanation out there as to how Jason survived the drowning, and why he keeps coming back no matter what you throw at him. Also that the regenerating mutant angle has been around before Jason X, even if it was just from the novelization.

As for why Jason never returned to town? I always figured that he did, but found his mother's house empty. So he went back to the only other place he knew, the lake. And he did return to the town from time to time, as Paul said in Part 2 when he was telling the story of Camp Blood around the camp fire, to steal things he needed to survive.

As for why he wouldn't seek help. It has been established that Pamela kept him isolated from other people. The summer of '57 was the first time she had ever tried to socialize him, and that was mostly because she was working at the camp (and of course ended in disaster).

In the end, I find the Friday The 13th franchise to be very open to interpretation. For example, the official interpretation of the ending of Part 2 was that Jason had killed Paul and Ginny was the sole survivor. Personally, I always interpreted the ending of Part 2 as Paul having been sent to the hospital ahead of Ginny (because she had to be stabilized first and he didn't), or because he was leading the police to Jason's shack. So it's all about point of view.
 
My Halloween viewing list thus far.

Buffy The Vampire Slayer (The Movie)

Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Series (I'm just finished Season 4)

Disney's Legend Of Sleepy Hollow

John Carpenter's The Thing

Stephen King's IT

Stephen King's The Dead Zone (starring Anthony Michael Hall)
 
Resolution was indeed fantastic, Magic Magic was outright laughable though.

You fool, you just don't get Magic Magic.


Kidding, of course. But seriously...I think it's absolutely awesome. Directors should study the film to learn how to build characters in a Horror movie. I love how, despite never really telling us ANYTHING about the characters, we can pretty much build up why each of them made the decisions that they did that led to the conclusion...things they likely dealt with prior to the cameras rolling etc. What Horror movie has characters that "real?" None...and this movie had several! People criticize the story...but I don't think that the story was the point of the film...especially since we have an unreliable narrator.
 
You fool, you just don't get Magic Magic.


Kidding, of course. But seriously...I think it's absolutely awesome. Directors should study the film to learn how to build characters in a Horror movie. I love how, despite never really telling us ANYTHING about the characters, we can pretty much build up why each of them made the decisions that they did that led to the conclusion...things they likely dealt with prior to the cameras rolling etc. What Horror movie has characters that "real?" None...and this movie had several! People criticize the story...but I don't think that the story was the point of the film...especially since we have an unreliable narrator.
Oh c'mon man... give horror a little credit. Its 5:39 AM and right off the top of my head comes... Psycho, Carrie and Jaws.
 
Last night viewed Pumpkinhead (great as always) and finally got around to checking out Curse of Chucky which I found to be quite enjoyable and very close in quality to the original I liked it much better than Bride or Seed, overall a great and entertaining time.
 
You said that it was a misunderstood movie. That is flat out saying that the critics of the film failed to understand it.

If you want to claim that I am unable or unwilling to understand this film...give me reasons WHY that is the case. I gave you a few examples as to why the movie is just mind-numbingly stupid (before degrading into a music video finale and a during-credits voice-over to explain things). I can support my stance, you've opted not to explain why I am unable to properly understand the film.

Again, I never said anybody was too stupid to understand the film, just that I think it's intentions and style was lost on some people. Blade Runner was misunderstood when it was released. That doesn't mean people were too stupid to get it. Same with 2001, Carpenters The Thing, Day of the Dead...None of these films were liked upon initial release but grew to become beloved/respected over time. I never meant that in the insulting or condescending way you insist on taking it as.

Like I said, I think it's a good exercise in old school psychedelic/psychological horror and madness. I found Sheri Moon Zombie to be surprisingly good in the film and Meg Foster particularly was awesome. The soundtrack was memorable, the imagery intense, frightening and surreal. This is Zombies most well accomplished film to date on a directing level. At times I was reminded of Argento and Kubrick in the best way possible. This is a much more slow paced and restrained affair from Zombie and I welcomed it with open arms. I will freely admit I found the narrative predictable and some of the effects were a little hokey but almost everything about the film rubbed me the right way.
 
Oh c'mon man... give horror a little credit. Its 5:39 AM and right off the top of my head comes... Psycho, Carrie and Jaws.

My point was that it is not the norm in Horror. The vast majority of Horror films don't bother to develop characters at all.
 
Again, I never said anybody was too stupid to understand the film, just that I think it's intentions and style was lost on some people. Blade Runner was misunderstood when it was released. That doesn't mean people were too stupid to get it. Same with 2001, Carpenters The Thing, Day of the Dead...None of these films were liked upon initial release but grew to become beloved/respected over time. I never meant that in the insulting or condescending way you insist on taking it as.

Like I said, I think it's a good exercise in old school psychedelic/psychological horror and madness. I found Sheri Moon Zombie to be surprisingly good in the film and Meg Foster particularly was awesome. The soundtrack was memorable, the imagery intense, frightening and surreal. This is Zombies most well accomplished film to date on a directing level. At times I was reminded of Argento and Kubrick in the best way possible. This is a much more slow paced and restrained affair from Zombie and I welcomed it with open arms. I will freely admit I found the narrative predictable and some of the effects were a little hokey but almost everything about the film rubbed me the right way.

And that is where we can just happily disagree. You found much of it effective, and I disagree on pretty much every point except that I think that Meg Foster did well. At no point did I misunderstand the film or fail to grasp what he was doing...I just think he did an awful, awful job at it, and everyone is entitled to their opinion
 
And that is where we can just happily disagree. You found much of it effective, and I disagree on pretty much every point except that I think that Meg Foster did well. At no point did I misunderstand the film or fail to grasp what he was doing...I just think he did an awful, awful job at it, and everyone is entitled to their opinion

Fair enough, my good sir.
 
I've started on the 'Crystal Lake Memories' documentary and it's really quite amazing so far. I've gotten up to Part 7, so not much to get through before it's finished.

I'm not a huge of this series but watching anything this in depth about movies has always interested me and I will certainly be having a Friday the 13th marathon sometime next week.
 
I hated Manhattan , Hell and X. IMO they're only OK in parts and its when F13th started getting overly goofy. I remember throwing my popcorn when Jason spoke in Manhattan.

wait, what?! when did he speak? are you talking about the strange "flashback" to childhood thing, towards the end? i think i might reflexively smack the nearest person if he did speak.
 
Just watched Night Of The Creeps and Slither back to back. Pretty solid double feature :up:

Creeps still holds up awesome and Slither actually gets better through multiple views imo. Good stuff.

Anyone recommend buying the Friday The 13th Blu Ray colleciton if you already have all the DVD's? I can upgrade to HD on Vudu for about a buck so I'm conflicted on if the features are worth the price of the collection.
 
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Finally saw The Conjuring. I loved it, it's the best horror movie I've seen in years. The perfect balance of story, characters, and scares. I highly recommend it to any who haven't seen it yet!
 
Finally saw The Conjuring. I loved it, it's the best horror movie I've seen in years. The perfect balance of story, characters, and scares. I highly recommend it to any who haven't seen it yet!

I'll be checking that one out soon I think. :yay:

This thread has really reignited my interest in horror movies.

Are the 'Hatchet' movies any good? I mean, I'm not expecting anything scary but are they fun to watch?
 
The success of The Conjuring basically guarantees that it will be a classic...and to be honest, it likely is the quality apex of the current trend of Hollywood haunted house/possession films. I wouldn't put it in my top 10 Horror movies of the year though.
 
I don't know if I really like saying this, but I'm halfway through Jason Goes To Hell and it's actually not too bad.

I've been saying that for years. It's all about your perspective while watching it. If you go into watching Jason Goes To Hell with the mind set of "I'm watching the 9th Friday The 13th movie" you're going to hate it.

If, on the other hand, you go into watching it with the mind set of "I'm watching a horror movie about a demon slug that moves from body to body until it finds the one it wants" and you'll really enjoy it.

You just have to have the mental discipline to take Friday The 13th & Jason Voorhees out of the equasion.
 
I'll be checking that one out soon I think. :yay:

This thread has really reignited my interest in horror movies.

Are the 'Hatchet' movies any good? I mean, I'm not expecting anything scary but are they fun to watch?

Fun is the exact reason to watch the Hatchet series. It really, REALLY doesn't take itself very seriously...so you mostly are just watching to see these idiots get killed off in brutal ways. It's an homage of slasher films...and borders on accidental parody just because you can't take anything seriously...but the kills are so insane that it makes it all worthwhile.
 
Jason Goes to Hell has one of the greatest pieces of dialogue ever written:

Robert Campbell: I'm going to say a couple of words to you and I want you to say the first thing that comes into your mind.
Creighton Duke: Okay.
Robert Campbell: Jason Voorhees.
Creighton Duke: That makes me think of a little girl in a pink dress sticking a hot dog through a doughnut

Even as a kid I was completely perplexed by that scene.
 
I've been saying that for years. It's all about your perspective while watching it. If you go into watching Jason Goes To Hell with the mind set of "I'm watching the 9th Friday The 13th movie" you're going to hate it.

If, on the other hand, you go into watching it with the mind set of "I'm watching a horror movie about a demon slug that moves from body to body until it finds the one it wants" and you'll really enjoy it.

You just have to have the mental discipline to take Friday The 13th & Jason Voorhees out of the equasion.

that doesn't work. this movie relies entirely on Jason's cult status. taken out of context, "Jason Goes to Hell" is a really really stupid title. it only works because people can easily identify the hockey masked machete wielding killer (and the hand that grabs his mask at the end). and after the initial over-the-top shootout, it becomes a bait and switch. they promise Jason and then give you body hopping slug. they should be ashamed of themselves, imo.
 
Hatchet is about as close to a horror parody of slashers as you can get without looking stupid doing it.
 
Watched WarmBodiestonight just because my sister was watching it, and watched Spaced Invaders this morning just got The Conjuring which I have been eagerly awaiting, my list keeps growing on the daily.
 
Just watched Night Of The Creeps and Slither back to back. Pretty solid double feature :up:

Creeps still holds up awesome and Slither actually gets better through multiple views imo. Good stuff.

Anyone recommend buying the Friday The 13th Blu Ray colleciton if you already have all the DVD's? I can upgrade to HD on Vudu for about a buck so I'm conflicted on if the features are worth the price of the collection.
Night of the Creeps is one of my favorite 80's horror classics THRILL ME! Tom Atkins is classic! Slither is also imo one of the best monster/horror flicks of modern day such a fun and entertaining flick, I remember going to see it in the theater opening weekend by myself to an empty theater.

I have decided to NOT purchase the new F13 blu-ray boxset per I already have the Crystal Lake to Manhattan set and I have the extras on that plus His Name was Jason and Crystal Lake Memories, the price is too high for just recycled extras (there are no new extras added here), I just wish I could get the newly released blu-rays separate.
 
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