The "I loved Spider-Man 3" Thread!

At this point i think that their comments should just be ignored? Its only going to cause arguments that will lead off topic.
I wish it was that simple. Honestly, I don't think this thread has ever been on topic. We've never really talked about everything in the movie we liked; It's really just been the fans defending the movie against the haters.
 
Things I really liked about this film:

Harry's suit
the cgi
venom's suit
black spiey's suit
liked all the fights
Battle Royale was really good but short, wish they added more but was still good
the symbiote
and seeing pete's face during the fights
 
Although I love Spider-man 3, this is a very fair review. I think Venom is a higher tier Spidey villain, that deserves respect; but not the kind he gets from a lot of "casual" fans.

I think he deserves respect too. But I also think he did get respect. He could have had more screentime, but over all I don't think a diservice was done to the character. But then I'm not really a Venom fan (obviously), and always have felt he was a strong one time villain but after that he puttered out quickly. I would have liked to see more of the character, but I don't really feel there is a need to bring him back just because a lot of fans are angry at his portrayal. He looked great and thank god it didn't end up being Eddie's skelaton under there.

Trust me. It happens to all of us. Cyclops is my second favorite X-men. So I can sympathise.

But these are still Spider-man movies and should be about Peter Parker/Spider-man. I'm glad that Spider-man 3 didn't go the X-men route and focus more on newer characters than returning ones. Sandman and Venom got shafted, but I prefer that over them stealing screen time away from Peter, Harry and MJ. Which is the heart and soul of the movies.

I don't want this to end up like the Batman franchise (older one at least, too early to say on the Nolan one) where the villains hijacked the series.
 
I think he deserves respect too. But I also think he did get respect. He could have had more screentime, but over all I don't think a diservice was done to the character. But then I'm not really a Venom fan (obviously), and always have felt he was a strong one time villain but after that he puttered out quickly. I would have liked to see more of the character, but I don't really feel there is a need to bring him back just because a lot of fans are angry at his portrayal. He looked great and thank god it didn't end up being Eddie's skelaton under there.

Trust me. It happens to all of us. Cyclops is my second favorite X-men. So I can sympathise.

But these are still Spider-man movies and should be about Peter Parker/Spider-man. I'm glad that Spider-man 3 didn't go the X-men route and focus more on newer characters than returning ones. Sandman and Venom got shafted, but I prefer that over them stealing screen time away from Peter, Harry and MJ. Which is the heart and soul of the movies.

I don't want this to end up like the Batman franchise (older one at least, too early to say on the Nolan one) where the villains hijacked the series.
I am a huge Venom fan, but I think Venom was done justice in this movie. Even though he died, the way it happened was awesome. I only wished that they could've hinted at a return, such as a piece of the symbiote recovering from the explosion site.
 
I am a huge Venom fan, but I think Venom was done justice in this movie. Even though he died, the way it happened was awesome. I only wished that they could've hinted at a return, such as a piece of the symbiote recovering from the explosion site.
return of Venom?
 
why would you have wanted a piece of symbiote survive the explosion?
I don't know, to be able to leave the Venom survival up in the air? I know it'd be far-fetched at Eddie surviving it too, but it's better than nothing.
 
I don't know, to be able to leave the Venom survival up in the air? I know it'd be far-fetched at Eddie surviving it too, but it's better than nothing.
nothing is better since we saw the symbiote and Eddie get vaporized
 
nothing is better since we saw the symbiote and Eddie get vaporized
I am going to be a clinger of hope, and say we don't know that for such. Even though everything points to it being true.:cwink::o
 
I am going to be a clinger of hope, and say we don't know that for such. Even though everything points to it being true.:cwink::o
SS have you seen the pic of Brock's effing bones, he's done for. Don't waste your time thinking about him coming back
 
SS have you seen the pic of Brock's effing bones, he's done for. Don't waste your time thinking about him coming back
Yeah, but someone said it could possibly be the explosion of the pumpkin bomb, that made an x-ray of him appear. I know it's a futile attempt to believe such things, but I'm just desperate. I know he's dead, I'm just wishing he wasn't.
 
Yeah, but someone said it could possibly be the explosion of the pumpkin bomb, that made an x-ray of him appear. I know it's a futile attempt to believe such things, but I'm just desperate. I know he's dead, I'm just wishing he wasn't.
trust me im pissed too, but we have to move on.
 
This is what I always wonder. Why so many fans turned so easily when the flaws of this film were actually very similar to the others. I think there are two reasons:

The first is I guess the story just dragged to much that people weren't caught up in the fun like they were for the other two. Especially the first one. That movie has some really questionable moments but it has energy and life to it. Sadly, Spider-man 3 didn't really have much of this. Bryce Dallas Howard and Topher Grace were really the only two actors who truly seemed to be enjoying themselves.

I've always said that Spider-man 3 was too moody to be any fun, but not dark enough to be evocative or respected. And you can tell that they tried to walk this very fine line. But the movie itself sort of had an identity crisis, which actually mirrors Peter's journey in the film somewhat. Which is why I will not cast the movie aside simply because I didn't enjoy it as much as the others. I just hope the next movie is really strong in the script department, because really Spider-man 3 still had talent, it just wasn't focussed. If you listen to the commentary, Kristen, Tobey and THC all seem kind of lost at times. Probably because they rewrote parts of the script so much.

The second reason is because of all the "new" fans/fans who were waiting to see Venom on screen. More casual fans know who Venom is and only know Venom. I remember people dissing the first movie because they thought Venom should be the villain instead of the lame Green Goblin. And then again with the second one. A lot of lower level/casual fans have simply been waiting for Venom forever. He didn't get the treatment they thought he deserved and then they bash the film. I personally wanted more Brock as well, because as I said Topher was fun to watch.

But Venom I think got all he deserved, he is a second rate villain that has been somehow built up in fans who only really know the cartoon (which he was still barely in) as being the best and biggest Spider man villain ever. Avi Arad also holds this opinion yet can't seem to articulate it well. He is kind of like Gambit in that respect. He's cool looking so he must be cool.

even though to be fair I do like Gambit.

Being a fan of the movie you really can't tell other why they don't like it. I don't think you were even close to the reasons. At least not for me or anyone I have met that didn't like the movie.

My reasons are one that it was more cheesy and lame than the first two.

Two there was simply to much going on that they never really told a complete story. Every thing was so cluttered and at times it seemed like the actors them selves didn't know where it was all going.

Three the whole Sand Man is the one who killed Ben out of no where was idiotic.

Four Venom was treated like trash and was absolutely useless in the move I'm not sure how anyone at marvel could approve that treatment of one of the popular characters. I'm not a fan of Gambit, but at least the X movies never put him in so he could be screwed up. Venoms character barely resembled the one from the comics in fact aside from being black and being called Venom I can't think of anything else really.

Five I didn't think the move dragged or was to slow at all just the opposite I thought it was to rushed and there wasn't really any time to explore any of the stories to full potential.

Six The butler just happened to know everything and save the day by telling Harry finally.
 
Being a fan of the movie you really can't tell other why they don't like it. I don't think you were even close to the reasons. At least not for me or anyone I have met that didn't like the movie.

My reasons are one that it was more cheesy and lame than the first two.

Two there was simply to much going on that they never really told a complete story. Every thing was so cluttered and at times it seemed like the actors them selves didn't know where it was all going.

Three the whole Sand Man is the one who killed Ben out of no where was idiotic.

Four Venom was treated like trash and was absolutely useless in the move I'm not sure how anyone at marvel could approve that treatment of one of the popular characters. I'm not a fan of Gambit, but at least the X movies never put him in so he could be screwed up. Venoms character barely resembled the one from the comics in fact aside from being black and being called Venom I can't think of anything else really.

Five I didn't think the move dragged or was to slow at all just the opposite I thought it was to rushed and there wasn't really any time to explore any of the stories to full potential.

Six The butler just happened to know everything and save the day by telling Harry finally.

Wow. Another "list" full of things (some valid, some small and asinine) that you didn't like.

I wasn't trying to explain why people didn't like this movie based on this movie. I know there are lots of reasons. I was wondering why a lot of people hate things about this movie that were prevalant in the last two. Or how almost instantly many turned their back on the whole thing. I mean now a lot of people are wanting Raimi, Maguire and co to stay as far away from this franchise as possible. Even though without them, one could argue the franchise wouldn't even exist.

You saying that the film is cheesier and lamer than the other two is a matter of subjective opinion. I know a lot of people who thought the first two movies were just as cheesy. I know a lot of people who thought this movie was more heartfelt and dealt with actual real relationship and emotional problems too. These are mostly girls I know though, or generally older viewers.

And yet there are a lot of people who did think that movie dragged. So many people go on and on about how MJ was boring and ate up too much time. About how the love story detracted from the "development" of newer lesser characters like Venom and Sandman. I actually share your oppinion and think that the story was too rushed, but trust me, that is not a general consensus. Take Transformers for example everyone praised (at least initially) that movie and compared it's so called superiority relentlessly against Spider-man 3 despite it being having even less development and more plot holes. A movie like this needs to fly by, it makes you want to see it again and it helps obscure plot problems which lets face it, all superhero/comic adaptations of this nature will have simply based on the seemingly impossible task of cutting down decades worth of material. Look at the Hulk, that movie tried to take itself too seriously and wound up boring everyone. These movies are supposed to be fun.

But the problem wasn't that they tried to cram too much in. The problem was that all the different characters and plot lines were only thematically connected and not in a focused and tight narrative manner. But even the first two had similar problems, the second one usually kept Ock in the background. Peter never seemed to care about him unless they were actually occuping the same space.

People are always easier on first enstallments. For some reason by time we get to the third the problems of the first two are usally more apparent (yet still remembered more fondly) and so the third usually doesn't hold up against the two predessessors. It happens all the time and is currently happening with Indy 4. of course there are those who think that sometimes the second installments are the black sheep, whether for better or worse.

and I'm sorry but the fact that the biggest paragraph in your post is all about how you think Venom was mistreated seems to tell me that you are just another whiney Venom fan.

Which actually proves one of my points.

People complained and clammored for Venom so much that they finally got him and now do nothing but ***** about it. Avi Arad saw dollar signs and really that is how he got his huge opening weekend. I can sympathise, truly, since I've been burned by mistreatment of a favorite character. But I also can't help but laugh at the irony. Fans should be careful what they wish for sometimes. I mean on the subject of Gambit, as you say, so many fans are now thanking their lucky stars that he was spared from being crapped on in The Last Stand.
 
Wow. Another "list" full of things (some valid, some small and asinine) that you didn't like.

I wasn't trying to explain why people didn't like this movie based on this movie. I know there are lots of reasons. I was wondering why a lot of people hate things about this movie that were prevalant in the last two. Or how almost instantly many turned their back on the whole thing. I mean now a lot of people are wanting Raimi, Maguire and co to stay as far away from this franchise as possible. Even though without them, one could argue the franchise wouldn't even exist.

You saying that the film is cheesier and lamer than the other two is a matter of subjective opinion. I know a lot of people who thought the first two movies were just as cheesy. I know a lot of people who thought this movie was more heartfelt and dealt with acutal real relationship and emotional problems too. These are mostly girls I know though, or generally older viewers.

And yet there are a lot of people who did think that movie dragged. So many people go on and on about how MJ was boring and ate up too much time. About how the love story detracted from the "development" of newer lesser characters like Venom and Sandman. I actually share your oppinion and think that the story was too rushed, but trust me, that is not a general consensus. Take Transformers for example everyone praised (at least initially) that movie and compared it's so called superiority relentlessly against Spider-man 3 despite it being having even less development and more plot holes. A movie like this needs to fly by, it makes you want to see it again. The problem wasn't that they tried to cram too much in. The problem was that all the different characters and plot lines were only thematically connected and not in a focused and tight narrative manner. But even the first two had similar problems, the second one usually kept Ock in the background. Peter never seemed to care about him unless they were actually occuping the same space.

People are always easier on first enstallments. For some reason by time we get to the third the problems of the first two are usally more apparent (yet still remembered more fondly) and so the third usually doesn't hold up against the two predessessors. It happens all the time and is currently happening with Indy 4. of course there are those who think that sometimes the second installments are the black sheep, whether for better or worse.

and I'm sorry but the fact that the biggest paragraph in your post is all about how you think Venom was mistreated seems to tell me that you are just another whiney Venom fan.

Which actually proves one of my points.

People complained and clammored for Venom so much that they finally got him and now do nothing but ***** about it. Avi Arad saw dollar signs and really that is how he got his huge opening weekend. I can sympathise, truly, since I've been burned by mistreatment of a favorite character. But I also can't help but laugh at the irony that Venom fans essentialy got what they wished for and now complain about it.

Even though I could go on and on about how I think Venom can't really be portrayed that well on screen anyway. Mainly because he just isn't that great a character. But that of course is my opinion.

I still enjoy the first two films and hope to see Raimi and Co back for the next one. I'm not sure I would even go watch it with out them. I think the reason this movie wasn't very good had nothing to do with talent or ability and was simply Raimi hatred for the Character Venom (much like you self). You can't ask a man who hates something to treat it fairly.

So what if my biggest paragraph was about Venom. It's not even my most hated thing about the film it was just the easiest to articulate and go in to great detail about. I don't think any film can be very good with one character being pissed all over. If it was reversed and Sandman or Doc Ock were treated like Venom was it would bother me just as much.

I don't really think it's an opinion that the 3rd was far more full of cheese. The dancing in this one alone trumps anything in the first two. It was very lame. No matter how anyone tries to defend it. It will never change the fact that on screen it came off very pathetic and lame. Hell the disco dance and the crazy he is so obviously Spiderman dance in the bar were enough to make me feel embarrassed to be at the midnight showing.

I agree some of what your saying, but I still think a major problem was that they tried to cram to much in. There were far to many stories going on and to many characters to try and focus on. It was distracting and never felt like a complete story was given justice or even told.

I actually liked some of the romance stuff although some of it was very contrived. The whole triangle was done decently well. Despite Harry's terrible terrible costume.

Oh and Transformers was such a terrible movie. I will give you that SM3 was much better than that crap. It was nothing, but mindless action followed by mindless action. I think there was a plot in there some where, but it didn't seem like a good one.
 
Okay speaking of being able to articulate. I'm having trouble. I'm tired and I need to go to bed, I just don't want to keep thinking about this. I've been spending a year trying to figure out why people are so harsh on this movie. And that is one reason why I get sick of hearing the same reasons over and over again.

Yes I agree it was dissapointing and I actually do think it was much more cheesy than the other two. I mean I love Spider-man 2 a ton. I think the running in the wedding dress and the rain drops song sequence are delightfully cheesy. In a good kind of way. I love how Raimi usually can make cheesiness actually funny.

I wasn't neccesarily attacking your opinion or giving my own. I was just talking generally. And I think you and I agree on most points, just that one of us saw more positive in the film and the other more negative.

You do say that you think that you would be upset if Sandman or Ock were treated badly. Well first off I must say that it is your opinion that Venom was treated badly. And for the record I don't "hate" the character, but polorization often radicalizes opinion. But that is just the thing, I don't feel strongly enough for the character so I don't get so upset over his portrayal. To be honest, I think he is one of the better things in the movie. The less personal you feel towards a character the less you care about everything being spot on. I know a lot of people who think that Cyclops was mistreated and feel bad, but they aren't a fan so aren't as angry as those of us who are. I mean I can't stand X3 based largely on how it handled my favorite characters (each of whom got screwed). Unfortunately this is just the kind of inevitable dissapointment that you can't really fight against that I was getting at.

Venom fans were sort of set up to be dissapointed because Raimi wasn't a fan.

But at the same time if a movie is good. I am willing to forgive errors in adaptation. For I am more a movie buff than say a comic one anyway. I think the first two X-men movies are great movies, even if they don't really represent the comics. And that is essentially another problem with third movies. People who were unhappy with the previous installments always still maintain hope that they will "get it right" next time. Even though the chances of that happening are slim since they now have to both pay respect to the source material and the previous films.

I'm like you, I hope Sam and Tobey come back. I hate the idea of recasting and especially the idea of a reboot. Heck, I hate the word reboot.
 
Oh and on the subject of Harry's costume I remember thinking back when the first trailer came out that that was the one thing that kind of irked me a little and worried me. I thought everything else looked perfect.

In the movie though I must say it was a none issue for me. I can't really see how they would have made it work with him wearing a Goblin costume anyway. Especially when it was obvious they weren't going to have them wear masks while fighting.
 
Okay speaking of being able to articulate. I'm having trouble. I'm tired and I need to go to bed, I just don't want to keep thinking about this. I've been spending a year trying to figure out why people are so harsh on this movie. And that is one reason why I get sick of hearing the same reasons over and over again.

Yes I agree it was dissapointing and I actually do think it was much more cheesy than the other two. I mean I love Spider-man 2 a ton. I think the running in the wedding dress and the rain drops song sequence are delightfully cheesy. In a good kind of way. I love how Raimi usually can make cheesiness actually funny.

I wasn't neccesarily attacking your opinion or giving my own. I was just talking generally. And I think you and I agree on most points, just that one of us saw more positive in the film and the other more negative.

You do say that you think that you would be upset if Sandman or Ock were treated badly. Well first off I must say that it is your opinion that Venom was treated badly. And for the record I don't "hate" the character, but polorization often radicalizes opinion. But that is just the thing, I don't feel strongly enough for the character so I don't get so upset over his portrayal. To be honest, I think he is one of the better things in the movie. The less personal you feel towards a character the less you care about everything being spot on. I know a lot of people who think that Cyclops was mistreated and feel bad, but they aren't a fan so aren't as angry as those of us who are. I mean I can't stand X3 based largely on how it handled my favorite characters (each of whom got screwed). Unfortunately this is just the kind of inevitable dissapointment that you can't really fight against that I was getting at.

Venom fans were sort of set up to be dissapointed because Raimi wasn't a fan.

But at the same time if a movie is good. I am willing to forgive errors in adaptation. For I am more a movie buff than say a comic one anyway. I think the first two X-men movies are great movies, even if they don't really represent the comics. And that is essentially another problem with third movies. People who were unhappy with the previous installments always still maintain hope that they will "get it right" next time. Even though the chances of that happening are slim since they now have to both pay respect to the source material and the previous films.

I'm like you, I hope Sam and Tobey come back. I hate the idea of recasting and especially the idea of a reboot. Heck, I hate the word reboot.

See I have a lot of problems with the film, but I don't belong in the I hate SM3 group. I don't hate it I just don't think it was good or great. I thought it was a decent film that I could tolerate sitting through again if I wanted.

I can also forgive errors in adaptaion . If I couldn't then I really wouldn't like any comic films. When in fact I enjoy most of them. I loved the first two X-men especially X-2 which I thought was brilliant and almost as good as Batman Begins.
 
I think I speak for other people when I say that this is exactly the kind of bashing that is based on very weak and childlike arguments. It has no place in this thread at least.

If you want to bring some intelligence to why you thought the movie "sucked" then fine. But take your ranting to the "I hated Spider man 3" thread.

and I'm so sick of people calling Peter emo. These stupid kids created the term and then don't even know what it actually means.


Weak (your opinion) child like how so? You dont like the format I used to give my argument to bad. This movie sucked, period. I was bored from start to finish and considering I liked the other two movies that says alot (or maybe not much) about this one.

Im 24, not a kid. Try looking at a bio before you throw age into an argument jackass.

"If you want to bring some intelligence...." :whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: another forum Einstein. Dont post unless your IQ is over 175......
 
Weak (your opinion) child like how so? You dont like the format I used to give my argument to bad. This movie sucked, period. I was bored from start to finish and considering I liked the other two movies that says alot (or maybe not much) about this one.

Im 24, not a kid. Try looking at a bio before you throw age into an argument jackass.

"If you want to bring some intelligence...." :whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: another forum Einstein. Dont post unless your IQ is over 175......

First off, I'm not going to waste my time looking at a Bio to figure out how old you are. I don't care. (and I just did and fail to see where it says you are 24 anyway) . In my expirience age has nothing to do with intelligence anyway, and you can obviously at least present your "argument" in a clear and spell checked manner. I'm replying to the kind of language your using

Going on about how Peter is "emo". How you apparently spent 20 dollars on a movie you thought sucked. Did you see it twice?

Aunt may sucks? Really? How, why?

Gwen is hot and should be in the movie more. See I liked Gwen and thought she was hot too, but come on, a comment like this makes you sound like a fifteen year old.

I realize that strong hatred forces people to use more extreme language sometimes. Sometimes I get overly defensive. But lets face it if you hated the movie that much then why are you even bothering posting about it? The movie came out a year ago, I don't still go to the X-men forums and compain about the third movie. I've moved on.

But really, I'm sorry I even dignified your post with a response and then this, another one. If you don't like the movie fine, if you want to give your reasons fine. I don't care. I was just hoping to come and talk about how I liked a movie in a thread for people who liked the movie and thought that now that it has been out for more than a year I wouldn't have to face the same tired old negative comments about it. At least as much. But these reasons are stupid to me and I am so tired of having to see them posted over and over and over and over and over again.
 
I can also forgive errors in adaptaion . If I couldn't then I really wouldn't like any comic films. When in fact I enjoy most of them. I loved the first two X-men especially X-2 which I thought was brilliant and almost as good as Batman Begins.

I think most of us can and are more than willing. Iron man for example is good adaptation that modernized the material quit well actually. Spider-man for some reason to me seems a little stuck in the past but whatever.

But as someone said in the Iron man thread, it is interesting how when a movie is good, it usually is said to be pretty faithful if not neccesarily on the surface. But when the movie is considered bad, all of the sudden the film treats the source material like crap.

I think a lot of times some people love the source material so much that they seem to forget that it isn't always great, no matter what decade and no matter what medium. Take the clone saga for example, some people just think it plain sucks, others think it has potential. And yet Ultimate Spider-man tried it again and it still kind of sucked. Some stories just aren't meant to be and could be done on screen perfectly faithful and still suck.

I think the film makers felt they needed to add something to Sandman for example. Which I don't think was neccesarily a bad thing, they just sort of tried too hard to make him more interesting. But I don't really think a lot of people would argue that having him be just a petty thug would have made him anymore compelling, even if it technically was more faithful.

So in the end we can all accept changes. It's just interesting what people get upset over. If a character looks great but sacrifices some characterization fans think it sucks. If the characterization is spot on but looks lame, then it still sucks. Its no wonder these movies are so hard to make.
 
First off, I'm not going to waste my time looking at a Bio to figure out how old you are. I don't care. (and I just did and fail to see where it says you are 24 anyway) . In my expirience age has nothing to do with intelligence anyway, and you can obviously at least present your "argument" in a clear and spell checked manner. I'm replying to the kind of language your using

Going on about how Peter is "emo". How you apparently spent 20 dollars on a movie you thought sucked. Did you see it twice?

Aunt may sucks? Really? How, why?

Gwen is hot and should be in the movie more. See I liked Gwen and thought she was hot too, but come on, a comment like this makes you sound like a fifteen year old.

I realize that strong hatred forces people to use more extreme language sometimes. Sometimes I get overly defensive. But lets face it if you hated the movie that much then why are you even bothering posting about it? The movie came out a year ago, I don't still go to the X-men forums and compain about the third movie. I've moved on.

But really, I'm sorry I even dignified your post with a response and then this, another one. If you don't like the movie fine, if you want to give your reasons fine. I don't care. I was just hoping to come and talk about how I liked a movie in a thread for people who liked the movie and thought that now that it has been out for more than a year I wouldn't have to face the same tired old negative comments about it. At least as much. But these reasons are stupid to me and I am so tired of having to see them posted over and over and over and over and over again.

Gwen is hot mary jane is not so i would much rather they move in the gwen direction of love interest and kill this peter/mary jane stuff. Aunt may speaks on a soap box way to often thats why she sucks. No I didnt see the movie twice I went with something people call a "girlfriend" who I paid for and we got popcorn. If your not in the know of this "girlfriend" or GF as its sometimes posted try wikipedia it will explain everything.

I complain about this movie still in the hopes someone at sony will realize SM3 was a hack job and not to F up the next one in the same way. Why do you come to this forum to praise this movie a year after its been released?

I noticed you latched on to the emo comment and forgot about the stupid ass dancing and lame walking down the street. Would this be because they are indefensible or because you take what you want and throw away the rest?
 
Gwen is hot mary jane is not so i would much rather they move in the gwen direction of love interest and kill this peter/mary jane stuff. Aunt may speaks on a soap box way to often thats why she sucks.

At least this offers reasons and expands on your argument a bit more. I don't agree with you, but already I can at least understand your ranting more.

[/quote]No I didnt see the movie twice I went with something people call a "girlfriend" who I paid for and we got popcorn. If your not in the know of this "girlfriend" or GF as its sometimes posted try wikipedia it will explain everything.[/quote]

Oh please. We don't have to go there do we? You could have just said that you went with your girlfriend and I would have understood. I'm neither stupid nor inexpirienced. And you don't need to try and elevate yourself above others simply because you have a girlfriend. Good for you, so do billions of other people.

[/quote] I complain about this movie still in the hopes someone at sony will realize SM3 was a hack job and not to F up the next one in the same way. Why do you come to this forum to praise this movie a year after its been released?[/quote]

okay fine. But really complaining about Harry's costume I'm pretty sure is going to fall on deaf ears. As is most everything else that you said. The Aunt May and Gwen thing maybe, since they actually get carried over. But in reality no amount of baseless *****ing is going to matter to the studio. They're not going to go back and reshoot scenes, they're not going to do Venom again (at least not likely) so really what is the point. Unless you actually want to get into fundamental script issues and not aesthetic ones about characters who died.

and your claim that the MJ/Peter romance is boring and played out is an opinon shared by many. But I would not say 99%. MJ and Peter have been together in the comics forever, It is different on screen but I don't feel the need to just move on to Gwen (which doesn't really make sense given what happened in the third movie anyway) simply because she is cuter.

and I'm not praising this movie. I have never praised this movie. I am willing to fight tooth and nail to defend Spider-man 2 against detractors and I have. I really don't have it in me to fight for this one. Especially in the face of such seemingly insurmountable odds. But it is healthier spending your time talking about things you like than things you hate. Especially when you can't do anything about it.

[/quote]I noticed you latched on to the emo comment and forgot about the stupid ass dancing and lame walking down the street. Would this be because they are indefensible or because you take what you want and throw away the rest?[/quote]

I latched on to the "emo" comment because it doesn't even make sense. How can he be emo if he is strutting down the sidewalk like John Travolta. He may look "emo" I'll give people that, but to call him emo implies ignorace of the term and its actual meaning.

And I thought the dancing was funny. Yeah it was kind of stupid and came a little late in the movie which only made it more awkward. I thought it went on a bit too long but I don't think it is worth condemning the movie over, even if it is just part of a larger pile of complaints.
 

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