The Iran Thread

[jaguarr]

hippie_hunter endorses the Dictators. This is very sad.

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

hippie_hunter endorses the Dictators. This is very sad.

jag

I endorse dictatorship

 

[jaguarr]

I endorse dictatorship

I knew it!

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

I knew it!

jag

Heil Bush

 

[jaguarr]

Heil Bush

Republinazi!

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

Now that WHF is gone, there's a new Nazi in town

 

[Fran]

[blind_fury] poser [/blind_fury]

 

[hippie_hunter]

[blind_fury] poser [/blind_fury]

As if anyone listens to blind_fury in the first place

 

[Spider-Bite]

Name one account of that actually happening

How many people have you heard from being who are being held at the secret prisons. You said yourself

If they ever even get a chance in court

1. An amendment like that will NEVER pass

it could happen. Rigged elections and people scared into a frenzy. They will try to say that freedom of speech exposes too many government secrets which can not be made known to terrorists.

2. Bill Frist isn't in power anymore.

There will be another Bill Frist someday.

Bush was elected in 2000, he lost the popular vote, but won the electoral vote which is what matters the most.

He got Florida's electoral votes while losing Florida's popular vote. There was a 2% chance of the one state with problems being the same state governed by his brother. Well at least a 2% chance of it being a coincedence. 1 state out of 50. That's a 2% chance.

Now, I have spoken my disapproval of that.

I know that, but it still suggests that our democracy isn't secure. What else is happening behind the scenes, that the voters have no say in?

When has that happened, I haven't heard of that. Not only that, we've heard this in the media a dozen times

The republican media, along with guest lawyers, guest analysts, Bill O' Reilly, and others have made the argument. The DA in New York even said he was looking into it. Potliticains also made the argument.
Again, may I see the link

1. If free speech were in danger, would you be able to say all that you just did

I didn't say freedom of speech was no longer the law. I said it was in danger of not being the law in the near future.

2. If we were on the slippery slope of dictatorship, we wouldn't have elected the Republicans out of power in Congress. We wouldn't be voicing our discontent with the Bush Administration. We aren't seeing George Bush act like Hugo Chavez who now has the power to rule by decree.

It's not a dictatorship yet. I hope democrats swing it back to democracy, but it's no gurantee. Not to mention a day will come when republicans are in power again. The democrat's power is not ever lasting, and if it was, it'd a dictatorship as well. With a more conservative supreme court, who knows what will happen. The president could be given new authority, and by law it would apply to all future presidents. We could end up with a republican or a democrat dictator. I firmly believe that niether one would be good. Nobody should have that kind of power.
It isn't perfect, but we are not on the path of a dictatorship.[/quote]

 

[hippie_hunter]

How many people have you heard from being who are being held at the secret prisons. You said yourself

But those who are being held in the secret prisons that are not getting trials are the suspected terrorists. There hasn't been a single instance of an American citizen being treated the same way.

it could happen. Rigged elections and people scared into a frenzy. They will try to say that freedom of speech exposes too many government secrets which can not be made known to terrorists.

Too many people will be opposed to such an amendment where you can rig an election like that without suspicion

There will be another Bill Frist someday.

There will be. Just like there will be another Rush Limbaugh, Nancy Pelosi, etc.

He got Florida's electoral votes while losing Florida's popular vote. There was a 2% chance of the one state with problems being the same state governed by his brother. Well at least a 2% chance of it being a coincedence. 1 state out of 50. That's a 2% chance.

No, he won Florida's popular vote by about 500 votes. If Gore won the popular vote in Florida, he would have won Florida's electoral votes and would have became President.

And if you don't beleive that Bush won Florida fair and square. Here's an article by someone who is opposed to the Bush Administration and a registered Democrat
http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm#2000_Election_Night

I know that, but it still suggests that our democracy isn't secure. What else is happening behind the scenes, that the voters have no say in?

I really don't see the PATRIOT Act lasting too much longer. The longer it is lasting, the more people are getting opposed to it.

The republican media, along with guest lawyers, guest analysts, Bill O' Reilly, and others have made the argument. The DA in New York even said he was looking into it. Potliticains also made the argument.
Again, may I see the link

I just want to see it first hand, that's all.

I didn't say freedom of speech was no longer the law. I said it was in danger of not being the law in the near future.

I really don't see it happening.

It's not a dictatorship yet. I hope democrats swing it back to democracy, but it's no gurantee. Not to mention a day will come when republicans are in power again. The democrat's power is not ever lasting, and if it was, it'd a dictatorship as well. With a more conservative supreme court, who knows what will happen. The president could be given new authority, and by law it would apply to all future presidents. We could end up with a republican or a democrat dictator. I firmly believe that niether one would be good. Nobody should have that kind of power.

Very true.

 

[Spider-Bite]

But those who are being held in the secret prisons that are not getting trials are the suspected terrorists. There hasn't been a single instance of an American citizen being treated the same way.


Too many people will be opposed to such an amendment where you can rig an election like that without suspicion


There will be. Just like there will be another Rush Limbaugh, Nancy Pelosi, etc.


No, he won Florida's popular vote by about 500 votes. If Gore won the popular vote in Florida, he would have won Florida's electoral votes and would have became President.

And if you don't beleive that Bush won Florida fair and square. Here's an article by someone who is opposed to the Bush Administration and a registered Democrat
http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm#2000_Election_Night


I really don't see the PATRIOT Act lasting too much longer. The longer it is lasting, the more people are getting opposed to it.


I just want to see it first hand, that's all.


I really don't see it happening.


Very true.

I'm no expert on nancy Pelosi, but I'm yet to hear anything awful about her, or at least anything I think is awful. I've heard her bashed plenty too, just never anything relevant or specific. All I've heard is "she's liberal and her district is the most liberal in the country" but I've never heard a worthy attack against her on the issues, other than her wishy washy talk on Iraq.

You have good points, and I don't think it will probably become a dictatorship, I just think it's a real possibility. I don't doubt there are democrats who believe that Bush actually won Florida, but the counting was stopped before too many votes had even been counted once. Afterwards they were counted anyways just so everybody could know who would have won, and Gore had won. There are false reports and rumours that Bush won by 500 votes, but that really isn't realistic. It was a presidential election. People made a big deal about how close Wisconsin was, which gore only won by 500,000 votes. So five hundred votes is hard to swallow. Plus it's just way too much of a coincedence.

I really don't feel like searching for a link, I might do it though. If I do, and this thread is far in the back by then, I'll PM you that I posted it here in this thread. I'd have to search through MSNBC's archives, it would confirm some of it, but it probably wouldn't show much of the support I saw on Fox news.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm no expert on nancy Pelosi, but I'm yet to hear anything awful about her, or at least anything I think is awful. I've heard her bashed plenty too, just never anything relevant or specific. All I've heard is "she's liberal and her district is the most liberal in the country" but I've never heard a worthy attack against her on the issues, other than her wishy washy talk on Iraq.

That's the problem with Pelosi, she is indeed a liberal. Very liberal. She has a score of 3 from the American Conservative Union. She's also from San Fransisco which is regarded as a very liberal city. She's also a part of the Democratic leadership which is regarded as liberal. Some one like her just isn't going to be really liked by conservatives and moderates, simply because of her political beliefs, just like a conservative isn't going to be really liked by liberals and moderates.

Personally, I really don't care for her because she just seemed like a very power-hungry person come the 2006 elections (because she was going to be Majority Leader), her induction as Majority Leader seemed very coriographed, and she said she takes the gavel of Majority Leader in the spirit of partnership, not partisanship when in truth, she has acted very partisan and has been trying to get legislation through that would get Bush's veto so she can play the "Bush won't work with us" Card.

On the bright side, at least she doesn't come off as a fridged b***h like Hillary Clinton

Just look at how happy she looks

I really don't feel like searching for a link, I might do it though. If I do, and this thread is far in the back by then, I'll PM you that I posted it here in this thread. I'd have to search through MSNBC's archives, it would confirm some of it, but it probably wouldn't show much of the support I saw on Fox news.

Well if you do find it, I would really love to read it.

 

[Spiderine]

That's the problem with Pelosi, she is indeed a liberal. Very liberal. She has a score of 3 from the American Conservative Union. She's also from San Fransisco which is regarded as a very liberal city. She's also a part of the Democratic leadership which is regarded as liberal. Some one like her just isn't going to be really liked by conservatives and moderates, simply because of her political beliefs, just like a conservative isn't going to be really liked by liberals and moderates.

Personally, I really don't care for her because she just seemed like a very power-hungry person come the 2006 elections (because she was going to be Majority Leader), her induction as Majority Leader seemed very coriographed, and she said she takes the gavel of Majority Leader in the spirit of partnership, not partisanship when in truth, she has acted very partisan and has been trying to get legislation through that would get Bush's veto so she can play the "Bush won't work with us" Card.

On the bright side, at least she doesn't come off as a fridged b***h like Hillary Clinton

Just look at how happy she looks

Well if you do find it, I would really love to read it.

Whats with Cheney, he looks like he got gas or something?

 

[blind_fury]

As if anyone listens to blind_fury in the first place

You're not exactly a fountain of wisdom yourself buddy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You're not exactly a fountain of wisdom yourself buddy.

me >> you

 

[hippie_hunter]

Whats with Cheney, he looks like he got gas or something?

I think he's pissed that he has to sit next to Pelosi. I hear she smells bad

 

[blind_fury]

me >> you

Yeah when it comes to being a deluded gasbag.

 

[Spider-Girl™]

iran knows that if they touch us, we'll bomb them right back to the stone age. we dont need to send troops over there. we have approx. 3000 nukes. im pretty sure we can spare 3.

We have nuclear weapons? How can we tell people not to have nukes when we have them ourselves?

 

[Won '08]

in all honesty.....as much as all of this is..pointless. If Iran wanted war it'd defeat the purpose of their claims. the US would just nuke them =/

 

[Spider-Bite]

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74152.aspx

The front page of Wednesday’s "Iran News" carries a picture of a smiling President Ahmadinejad with two young children, while an article alongside claims Iran is close to industrial-scale enrichment of uranium, and there’ll be no going back. The "Tehran Times" has Iran ready to strike the U.S. "anywhere" if attacked. Pretty ominous stuff.
But turn a few pages and there’s a rather different take on the Great Satan - a rundown on the Oscars with a large photograph of a smiling Al Gore, Oscar in hand. There’s also a piece about David Beckham’s likely impact on U.S. soccer, together with an interview with the former captain of the Iranian national team, who is now coaching a team in Los Angeles, and paints a glowing picture of his time in the States. "I see the potential and talent here," he says.
It’s a rather intriguing picture, as indeed it has been since I stepped off the aging Mahan Air Airbus at Imam Khomeini International Airport early this morning after the eight-hour flight from Bangkok.
Still looking for more for the ‘little man’
My taxi driver for the 90-minute ride into Tehran sported the regulation beard, but soon announced that in his view Ahmadinejad is a "sheep"-- not regarded here as the brightest of animals. We passed the massive Imam Khomeini mosque, where the late founder of the Islamic Republic is entombed, still floodlit at two o’clock in the morning.
"If Khomeini knew how much has been wasted on that place, he’d turn in his grave," announced my driver, who was clearly not impressed with Iran’s new president, who was elected on a populist platform of more widely distributing Iran’s oil money and bringing more financial relief to the "little man."

My driver regarded himself as one of those men, and wasn’t impressed with the results. He was skeptical of all the anti-American rhetoric that Ahmadinejad has been dishing out in recent days on a tour of northern Iran.
I also learned that the Imam’s mosque has become a late-night rendezvous for young men and women hoping to meet, talk and exchange telephone numbers, never an easy task in the Islamic Republic. The mosque may appear an odd place to do that, but the youngsters reckon it’s relatively safe from the prying eyes of the religious police.
My hotel, the Esteghlal (Independence) used to be the Hilton, though the big Western chains long ago abandoned Tehran. On arrival, my taxi driver cracked a joke, in Farsi, about Ahmadinejad, which made the doorman chuckle -- clearly another of those "little men."
The hotel looks over the snow-capped mountains to the north of the city. It’s a dramatic sight at first light, before Tehran’s notorious smog descends. Al Gore might have a thing or two to say about that, and if today’s newspapers are anything to go by, his words might well attract as much interest among the young and the "little men" as the fiery rhetoric from Ahmadinejad.

 

[Honey Vibe]

Interesting, SB.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Interesting, SB.

You can say that again.

 

[Darthphere]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070313/wl_mideast_afp/afpentertainmentusiran_070313120951

Sorry if this was posted before, actually I'm not, I don't care. I just found it funny.

 

[Demon Within]

Im outraged that they are outraged. Screw em all.

 

[Fran]

It's just a movie. Good Lord.