The Iran Thread

[SsM]

Yeah, right.

 

[StorminNorman]

And we all know Obama has no intention of doing anything close to that. He doesn't subscribe to the "Realist" school of International Relations.

 

[Matt]

Sadly, you're right. He'll negotiate and for every day he negotiates, this woman will suffer in a prison with conditions that are not fit for a rat carcass. As I said in the other thread, this is not something that should be negotiated. Negotiation implies they have a valid stance. We should demand her immediate release and set a deadline. If they do not comply, their citizens can pay the price that she is paying.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You guys have bought into the system just like the OWNERS want you to buy into it. Wake the hell up, people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29C_KNZ7RNs

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/diocletian.html


Don't get me wrong, Iran is being run by dictators in the same manner that the OWNERS of this country are trying to march us towards tyranny. At any rate, this is their perfect excuse to crank up a war so they can profit off of it and take more of our civil liberties away. And they'll be funding both sides of the war, just like they funded both sides of WWI, WWII, Vietnam, et al.

 

[BlackLantern]

an American citizen is being unlawfully detained on bogus charges.....I'd consider that a valid reason to demand her release or take action

 

[redfirebird2008]

an American citizen is being unlawfully detained on bogus charges.....I'd consider that a valid reason to demand her release or take action

Here's the catch though. How do we know the international banks aren't funding this little stunt by Iran in an effort to get another World War cranked up? They've done it before on multiple occasions, and what always happens is a lot of tax dollars go to the MIC/bankers, a lot of death and destruction occurs, and many of our freedoms are taken away in the process...and thus we continue the march to tyranny that's been going on ever since the creation of the Federal Reserve. Private bank, owned by international bankers with a globalist agenda, that prints the money for the government. Every single dollar that they print has interest attached to it. Every time a war is cranked up they profit enormously from all the interest due to money being printed for the war effort.

 

[BlackLantern]

if the US or any other country was going to start a war, Im sure a better reason could be produced or manufactured than a reporter being arrested for "spying for the US"....Iran is being hardassed because she's an American...plain and simple....

 

[redfirebird2008]

if the US or any other country was going to start a war, Im sure a better reason could be produced or manufactured than a reporter being arrested for "spying for the US"....

Uh, not really. The public has a history of being easily manipulated with the problem-reaction-solution methodology. When the very people who create the wars in the first place are also the people controlling the media and the education system, it doesn't take much critical thinking to realize that we are constantly manipulated in whatever direction they want. Here's all it would take to get a war going:

Bankers want U.S. and Iran at war so they can get a world war going in which they fund both sides and consequently gain power over both sides due to the debt that each would owe to the bankers. So, they tell Iran to take an American journalist hostage under the pretense that she's a spy. America comes back by demanding her release. In response, Iran kills her. American public is outraged by it, just like the bankers want. America declares war on Iran and before you know it, the likes of China jump in (on Iran's side) and America's allies jump in on its side.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Another world war would lead to more globalization of our laws. Similar to how the U.N. was founded after WWII, they would find a way to give away more of America's sovereignty during the treaty negotiations following WWIII. Now here's the thing that could screw up the bankers' plans for world government: if WWIII turns into a nuclear holocaust and the world ends, their little plan to use the war as an excuse for the nations giving up more and more of their sovereignty will be completely screwed over. But then again, they'll be funding both sides so they'll likely issue an ultimatum telling neither side to use nukes.

 

[BlackLantern]

China is our ally and our biggest trade partner...they probably wouldn't get involved....if I didn't know any better....Id say you want something like that to happen just so you can say "I told you so"...you seem thoroughly convinced....

if this reporter committed a legitimate crime....stealing something, killing someone, than I would say she needs to be held accountable and leave it at that...

I have an odd feeling this will get resolved in a suitable manner

 

[redfirebird2008]

China is our ally and our biggest trade partner...they probably wouldn't get involved....if I didn't know any better....Id say you want something like that to happen just so you can say "I told you so"...you seem thoroughly convinced....

if this reporter committed a legitimate crime....stealing something, killing someone, than I would say she needs to be held accountable and leave it at that...

I have an odd feeling this will get resolved in a suitable manner

Hell no, I don't want it to happen. I'm scared as hell that it could happen. It has a history of occurring. These people are vampires that want power over the rest of us. They've pretty much taken over control of every aspect of our lives at this point. They own the media and they own the politicians, which means they also own our government and consequently our education system. There's no coincidence behind the fact that ever since the government took over the education system, the average intelligence has been sliding downhill. John Rockefeller once said that he doesn't want an America full of thinkers, he wants an America full of workers. Well his grandson David Rockefeller is an admitted globalist who wants one world government controlling our lives. They see us as cattle. It's scary as hell and I don't want these things to happen. I hope I'm completely wrong on it, but based on the historical evidence and the fact that they own the media, it seems pretty clear that we're being manipulated toward their endgame of global tyranny.

 

[redfirebird2008]

And here's the thing: they've already taken away our right to talk on the phone without them listening in. Now they're wanting to have the power to shut down the Internet due to "national security." Yeah, whatever THEY deem to be a national security threat will be shut down, including anyone who speaks of these alleged "conspiracy theories." They've got this "no fly" list of alleged terrorists, many of whom are innocent American citizens. They even put a 5 year old boy on the list because his name was the same as a "suspected" terrorist. But here's the catch to that, Rahm Emmanuel has admitted that they are going to tack on a new stipulation to the "no fly" list. Everyone on the "no fly" list will also not be allowed to purchase a firearm. Wonderful, so this list is completely at their discretion. They've had over 1 million Americans falsely placed on the list and accused of being terrorists already. And now they're going to use that list as an excuse to keep people from buying guns, some of whom might be wanting to buy a gun strictly for protecting themselves from the government...which is of course why the Second Amendment was created in the first place.

 

[StorminNorman]

China is our ally and our biggest trade partner...they probably wouldn't get involved....if I didn't know any better....Id say you want something like that to happen just so you can say "I told you so"...you seem thoroughly convinced....

if this reporter committed a legitimate crime....stealing something, killing someone, than I would say she needs to be held accountable and leave it at that...

I have an odd feeling this will get resolved in a suitable manner

You seem to be much more assuming of people lately.

 

[StorminNorman]

an American citizen is being unlawfully detained on bogus charges.....I'd consider that a valid reason to demand her release or take action

It's a valid act of war.

 

[Matt]

It's a valid act of war.

Agreed. It was one of our citizens being held hostage (I refuse to call her a prisoner, because that makes it seem legit. She is a hostage) by another country. What Iran is doing is no different than the pirates of last week holding the ship captain hostage. Where are they? In body bags. We should set a deadline. If they do not return our citizen, we should start dropping bombs on their bases and put some of their soldiers in body bags.

 

[StorminNorman]

I would also like Obama to take a tougher stance against Spain for their threatening to indict some former Bushies. Inexcusable.

 

[BlackLantern]

If any country wants to file charges (in absentia) against US officials.....it just seems to me like Anti-US sentiment and posturing.....its not like they are going to come to the US and take them into custody

 

[StorminNorman]

It doesn't matter, we cannot afford to appear weak to either Iran or Israel.

 

[Matt]

Agreed. If we send the message to Spain that they can prosecute our leaders (even if it just in show) for political reasons and grandstanding and we will continue maintain friendly diplomatic relations with them, then we are sending message that this is okay to every country in the world. How long do you think until Iran or North Korea starts calling to prosecute our leaders? Obama should not shrug this off just because Bush is on the otherside of the political line. After all, as he said, we are not red states and blue states, we are the United States of America. And the first and foremost job of the federal government is to protect it's citizens. It is time for Obama to make good on his pretty words instead of just saying them.

I still disagree with almost all of Bush's policies, including the Iraq war. But that does not mean we should give silent consent while foreign governments make a mockery out of our 43rd president

 

[redfirebird2008]

Agreed. If we send the message to Spain that they can prosecute our leaders (even if it just in show) for political reasons and grandstanding and we will continue maintain friendly diplomatic relations with them, then we are sending message that this is okay to every country in the world. How long do you think until Iran or North Korea starts calling to prosecute our leaders? Obama should not shrug this off just because Bush is on the otherside of the political line. After all, as he said, we are not red states and blue states, we are the United States of America. And the first and foremost job of the federal government is to protect it's citizens. It is time for Obama to make good on his pretty words instead of just saying them.

I still disagree with almost all of Bush's policies, including the Iraq war. But that does not mean we should give silent consent while foreign governments make a mockery out of our 43rd president

LMAO, Bush and Obama are both on the same side. Wake up. It's the elites vs. the rest of us, not liberal vs. conservative.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't know about an entire military action. If we went to war over this, we are risking the lives of thousands. At the same time this is inexcusable and needs to be remedied immediately. I would support some backdoor pressure and covert operations coercion, of course that would negatively effect Obama's attempting to prevent nuclear proliferation in Iran. Of course, if there is going to be a war...no I don't want to think of that. The most preferrable way for that to occur would be for it to happen after we are fully out of Iraq and it becomes an Israeli operation that we offer air support for. But even that is an AWFUL alternative. I just don't understand why all these situations need to end in fire and ash. Really.

 

[Matt]

Because what other options are there? Negotiate with these maniacs? That gives validity to their actions. Not to mention it makes Obama look weak. We need to give a deadline, they either meet, or they're bombed (not war, bombing runs. Hug difference).

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What's the difference Matt? Even if they drop bombs it will still be an act of war. A war that America cannot afford while still fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[redfirebird2008]

If we bomb Iran I don't think the Iranians will view it as anything other than an act of war.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

If we bomb Iran I don't think the Iranians will view it as anything other than an act of war.

Exactly my point. So what does America do then? I simply feel there's nothing we can do in a situation like this. We're already in two wars that is costing us a fortune. Why go into another one?