Iron Man 2 The Iron Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread

[Spider-Fan]

Does TDK need to come up in EVERY discussion? Seriously, does Iron Man HAVE to be bigger than Batman? Why do we needlessly have this on going who's stick is bigger than the other's contest? Seriously, $133 mil is a GREAT opening for a character that before 2008 people probably couldn't have cared less about. Rejoice. Be happy. Stop comparing EVERYTHING to the friggin Bat! It's annoying as hell.

 

[dark_b]

i dont know a lot of BO. but i am suprised that it didnt make more like some expected.

 

[Crook]

Mac is more a comedian... not a movie star.

Neither was Heath. Are people forgetting dude was practically an indie actor after his debut with '10 Things I Hate About You'? He didn't have any big roles, unless you count Brokeback Mountain, and we all know that wasn't a film people exactly got out and went out to see.

You substitute Heath, including the passing, along with a much talked about performance, with any other young, semi-recognizable actor working in Hollywood today, I guarantee it would have been the same box office result.

It's the JOKER, folks. You won't find many fictional characters as enjoyable and popular as him. Heath's death merely supported the intrigue of this character coming back into pop culture, and the incredibly original performance that was televised everywhere only cemented the notion that you had to see this in theaters.

So was it Heath? Yes, in a way. It was Heath's acting in the role of an iconic villain that turned people's eye towards TDK. It was never, ever, Heath, the person or actor. He simply didn't have that type of clout.

 

[Spider-Fan]

i dont know a lot of BO. but i am suprised that it didnt make more like some expected.

I just don't see anyway at the meetings Marvel goes over the numbers for Iron Man (who few people previously cared about) and say this 133 mil opening (which by itself nearly outgrosses their last film's entire domestic gross) is a poor performance. That is good money for an up and coming studio, and Marvel/Disney will make tons off it.

 

[drax]

You're still not showing me any proof of what WB did in conjunction with the media's treatment of Ledger's death. It's nothing but hearsay.

WB can ask what they want for their own company, death of an actor or not.

WB are part of AOL Time Warner group, so it's lot easier for them to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner

Just an example, CNN are part of this group, so just with them, they can promote the movie how they want.

They have also Time Inc, with the famous magazine Time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Inc.

For the others media, studio need for to promote their movie, like the media need them for to have an exclusivity (trailer, interview, exclusive extract for the movie), Sony don't want to promote Jackson alive, now he is dead, every media promote his music, who ask them to do ? Sony, of course, the media can't promote something without copyright so without Sony, it's the same thing for WB and the Dark Knight, because the death can sell very well.

But I guess, we are agree to disagree.

 

[dark_b]

Does TDK need to come up in EVERY discussion? Seriously, does Iron Man HAVE to be bigger than Batman? Why do we needlessly have this on going who's stick is bigger than the other's contest? Seriously, $133 mil is a GREAT opening for a character that before 2008 people probably couldn't have cared less about. Rejoice. Be happy. Stop comparing EVERYTHING to the friggin Bat! It's annoying as hell.

this is a BO thread.


Avatar,TDK will be mentioned in the boxoffice thread.

 

[Spider-Fan]

And it is totally unneccessary and annoying.

Seriously guys, TDK was 2 years ago and has NOTHING to do with Iron Man. Let the falling short of the record go, and be happy that Iron Man can even make 133 mil

 

[Fenrir]

Probably not very accurate to compare a super hero movie that was going to make over 200 million no matter what to movies that would be lucky to make 30 million.

Oh so now it TDK being a superhero film is relevant? What happened to all the 'TDK made a billion dollars only because Heath Ledger died' crap you were spewing moments ago?

Let's face it, if it was mere morbid curiosity, the film would've lost steam after the first month at most. It would've tanked once the novelty wore off like New Moon did after its first weekend instead of staying in the number one position for 4 weeks straight and an 8 month run in theaters. TDK's strong legs, incredibly low weekend drop and repeat viewings were what carried the film to the billion dollar mark. No fascination with a dead celebrity lasts that long. And if you know that there exists a world outside the USA where people hardly keep up with celebrity gossip and an actor's death (assuming of course they know who he is to begin with) makes comparatively nowhere near as big a bearing on box office numbers, it pretty much flushes this dumb argument down the toilet.

 

[RoboAmish]

But every other article about its BO was as to whether or not it would beat out TDK's opening take, hence why it's been discussed. It has everything to do with TDK, IM2 was publicly going for its record

It would have been brought up even if IM2 had managed to break the record.

 

[FaT_tONle]

It's the JOKER, folks. You won't find many fictional characters as enjoyable and popular as him. Heath's death merely supported the intrigue of this character coming back into pop culture, and the incredibly original performance that was televised everywhere only cemented the notion that you had to see this in theaters.

Obviously, which is all you had to say. It's the performance, the passing, and the iconic role. Most people already agree with that. What we disagree with is how much you can exactly contribute all those factors to BO if you can even make such a quantization.

 

[Anita18]

And it is totally unneccessary and annoying.

Seriously guys, TDK was 2 years ago and has NOTHING to do with Iron Man. Let the falling short of the record go, and be happy that Iron Man can even make 133 mil

And again, TDK is mentioned because tracking for IM2 showed that it was on course for a $150-160m opening where, which is right about where the record is. So the question was whether it would break the opening weekend record.

Which is held by...TDK.

I think the current argument is whether a record-breaking opening was in the cards for IM2 because of the so-called Ledger tribute factor or whatnot. Maybe.

 

[akfj]

WB can ask what they want for their own company, death of an actor or not.

WB are part of AOL Time Warner group, so it's lot easier for them to do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner

Just an example, CNN are part of this group, so just with them, they can promote the movie how they want.

They have also Time Inc, with the famous magazine Time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Inc.

For the others media, studio need for to promote their movie, like the media need them for to have an exclusivity (trailer, interview, exclusive extract for the movie), Sony don't want to promote Jackson alive, now he is dead, every media promote his music, who ask them to do ? Sony, of course, the media can't promote something without copyright so without Sony, it's the same thing for WB and the Dark Knight, because the death can sell very well.

You're still not showing me any explicit proof of WB's attempt to exploit the death of Ledger through the media. You're starting to sound like some kind of conspiracy theorist.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

People forget Batman Begins' massive DVD sales. It was bigger than Revenge of the Sith . That helped also.

 

[drax]

And it is totally unneccessary and annoying.

Seriously guys, TDK was 2 years ago and has NOTHING to do with Iron Man. Let the falling short of the record go, and be happy that Iron Man can even make 133 mil

I have a serious question, I don't live in USA, and I would like to know the Iron Man popularity before the movie, not among the comicbook fans, but for the general audience.

Because it's a big surprise that these movies have some much success without the pop cultural background that the others heroes (Superman, Batman, Spider-man etc...) have, in France now everybody know Iron Man.

Thanks for advance for the answer.

 

[Spider-Fan]

And again, TDK is mentioned because tracking for IM2 showed that it was on course for a $150-160m opening where, which is right about where the record is. So the question was whether it would break the opening weekend record.

Which is held by...TDK.

I think the current argument is whether a record-breaking opening was in the cards for IM2 because of the so-called Ledger tribute factor or whatnot. Maybe.

I don't see why we need to discuss the death of Heath Ledger maybe or maybe not helping TDK make money in an IM2 thread. Yes, the tracking possibility that it COULD beat TDK was out there, but instead of being happy it made 133mil, everyone is making excuses and bringing up topics we DON'T need to discuss. It is annoying every thread on this site becomes did Heath Ledger boost TDK's total BO or how great is TDK. Seriously, it has been 2 years, and it has gotten old.

Discussing TDK's total being in IM's reach prior to release, I think that is fine. This current discussion on Ledger, annoying.

 

[Iron_Stark]

2.5 years ago, Iron Man was a C-lister, B at best. Nobody knew him.

I remember I was reading the Iron Man movie novel and a co-worker asked me if I was reading a book about the Olympics.

133.6 and getting placed at #5 is damn impressive.

 

[Crook]

I don't see why we need to discuss the death of Heath Ledger maybe or maybe not helping TDK make money in an IM2 thread. Yes, the tracking possibility that it COULD beat TDK was out there, but instead of being happy it made 133mil, everyone is making excuses and bringing up topics we DON'T need to discuss. It is annoying every thread on this site becomes did Heath Ledger boost TDK's total BO or how great is TDK. Seriously, it has been 2 years, and it has gotten old.

Discussing TDK's total being in IM's reach prior to release, I think that is fine. This current discussion on Ledger, annoying.

First time on a superhero board?

You'll notice that every time something fails to meet fan expectation, there will be dozens and dozens of theories on WHY so-and-so happened. This is a box office thread that will undoubtedly feature TDK comparisons. IM2 failed to come close to it. So WHY didn't it do it? Well, cue in the infamous "Ledger factor".

 

[drax]

You're still not showing me any explicit proof of WB's attempt to exploit the death of Ledger through the media. You're starting to sound like some kind of conspiracy theorist.

There are nothing to do with conspiracy (it's your words not mine), it's the common sense of a commercial aspect for the death of a star (again see the example of MJ), everybody know that there are lot of money during this moment, if it's not WB, who give the copyright to the media for the promotion ?

The fact that Warner group own lot of media (CNN, the TIME) is not a proof too I suppose.

For example, I have learnt about his death during the promotion of TDK, not before.

I don't work for them (Sony or WB), so I can't have an "explicit" proof (it's the behind the scene stuff), but like for MJ, I'm curious how you interpret that he is now in every media, with a huge promotion like that, without new album.

But I suppose we can agree to disagree.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I have a serious question, I don't live in USA, and I would like to know the Iron Man popularity before the movie, not among the comicbook fans, but for the general audience.

Because it's a big surprise that these movies have some much success without the pop cultural background that the others heroes (Superman, Batman, Spider-man etc...) have, in France now everybody know Iron Man.

Thanks for advance for the answer.

The GA rarely read the actual comics so not many knew him from that. He had a cartoon series in the 90's, but it wasn't that great and clearly behind the cartoons of the other characters you listed. There was never a TV series to my knowledge. So he was basically behind X-Men, Spidey, and Hulk. But he was always a notch below those characters, so it's not like people had no idea who he was.

 

[Spider-Fan]

First time on a superhero board?

You'll notice that every time something fails to meet fan expectation, there will be dozens and dozens of theories on WHY so-and-so happened. This is a box office thread that will undoubtedly feature TDK comparisons. IM2 failed to come close to it. So WHY didn't it do it? Well, cue in the infamous "Ledger factor".

Because that was a Batman movie, and Batman is top dog in the superhero world right now. I think that is why. Batman more popular than Iron Man.

I'm sick and tired of the Ledger debate and TDK being praised in every thead on this site (though the Ledger debate applies to this thread, I am just saying in general)...I really am

 

[akfj]

There are nothing to do with conspiracy (it's your words not mine), it's the common sense of a commercial aspect of the dead of a star (again see the example of MJ), everybody know that there are lot of money during this moment, if it's not WB, who give the copyright to the media for the promotion ?

For example, I learn his death during the promotion of TDK, not before.

I don't work for them (Sony or WB), so I can't have an "explicit" proof (it's the behind the scene stuff), but like for MJ, I'm curious how you interpret that he is now in every media, with a huge promotion like that.

But I suppose we can agree to disagree.

Again, WB did not have to tell the media to discuss the death of a young actor who had previously been nominated for an Oscar. WB can just step out of the way and let the media go to town on that one.

TDK's promotion started in 2007 with the viral stuff and the initial teaser trailers. So you, along with everyone else, learned of his death during the ongoing promotion of the movie.

Michael Jackson and Sony are completely unrelated to WB and Heath Ledger. You can't use one example and say that that is the way it works every time. The only Ledger-related promotion that WB did was with the character of The Joker, not the actor who portrayed him.

I have a serious question, I don't live in USA, and I would like to know the Iron Man popularity before the movie, not among the comicbook fans, but for the general audience.

Because it's a big surprise that these movies have some much success without the pop cultural background that the others heroes (Superman, Batman, Spider-man etc...) have, in France now everybody know Iron Man.

Thanks for advance for the answer.

No one in the general audience knew who he was. There may have been a little talk about ten years ago when Tom Cruise was slated to play Iron Man, but that was because of Cruise, not the character itself.

I remember listening to a radio show just prior to the first film's release and the hosts had no idea who the character was. They associated the name "Iron Man" with the Black Sabbath song. I think any initial hype for the first movie was generated by Robert Downey, Jr., the perception that it looked like a fun movie, and that it was a Marvel movie (the same guys that brought you Spider-Man and X-Men, etc.). But before that if you were to ask anyone on the street what Iron Man is you would have probably got more responses that it's a Black Sabbath song rather than a comic book character.

 

[Crook]

Because that was a Batman movie, and Batman is top dog in the superhero world right now. I think that is why. Batman more popular than Iron Man.

I think it has much more to do with the hype of their respective films. IM2 was anticipated, but nowhere near as much as TDK. We'll see in the oncoming weeks whether audiences thought it was a better film.

As for the more popular superhero, well, arguably Spidey had that crown, and TDK still beat out SM3.

 

[drax]

Again, WB did not have to tell the media to discuss the death of a young actor who had previously been nominated for an Oscar. WB can just step out of the way and let the media go to town on that one.

It's your point of view, but it's not the professional opinion like Peter Biskind have said about the promotion and the relation between media and studio.

WB don't have talked about his death, but lot of media have said that it was the last huge role of the actor...during the promo of TDK.

TDK's promotion started in 2007 with the viral stuff and the initial teaser trailers. So you, along with everyone else, learned of his death during the ongoing promotion of the movie.

The promotion have begun in 2007, but not with the same intensity that some month before the direct promotion of the movie in 2008.

Michael Jackson and Sony are completely unrelated to WB and Heath Ledger. You can't use one example and say that that is the way it works every time. The only Ledger-related promotion that WB did was with the character of The Joker, not the actor who portrayed him.

There are not just MJ, he was just the most recent example, and specially the most curious because he has been boycotted, but there are also Brandon Lee with the Crow (lot of people have done a parallel with Ledger), Bruce Lee, Elvis etc...

Sony don't have talked directly in their promotion to the death of MJ too, it would be too weird, they take some other way to do their works.

 

[akfj]

WB don't have talked about his death, but lot of media have said that it was the last huge role of the actor...during the promo of TDK.

Well, it was an objective fact that it would be his last big role. It was also an important fact for the media to mention whenever the film came up in discussion. Normally when an upcoming film comes up in discussion some of the important points that come up are which actors are in it and what went on during the production of the movie. So, his death couldn't be avoided when the media discussed the highly-anticipated film.

 

[YJ1]

Anyone think that Nashville being under water and New York being jittery (they evacuate Time Square when anyone farts loud these days) has any effect on domestic box office? Just spitballing but that's two big markets effected by things not controllable.

That by no means is looking for any "excuses" because $133 million doesn't need an excuse for anything. That's an amazing number. I just wonder if it would've been slightly bigger?