The Jesus Christ Appreciation and Worship Thread

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[Warhammer]

Oh yeah...and in before a poster insults another poster which will cause a moderator warning in bold letters and/or deletion of posts.

 

[regwec]

Apollo, the chap you quoted isn't a mod.

 

[KevanG]

I was just questioning why certain parts are taken at face value and ever so important when there were a number of others right beside them that are supposed to be equal but are totally ignored since they'd interfere with how someone wants to live.

 

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[The_Harvest]

And why isn't it followed today? It's part of the bible. It's commanded to be done. Lev bans a huge amount of things from being eaten, so why isn't it enforced like other parts?

How many people are divorced? 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"

Tattoos? Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."

Did you even read my post about the Old Testament?

About divoce. Many people divorce (especially in western society) and the Bible is clear on the position of marriage and divorce.

Mark 10:7-9
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

[Warhammer]

This is not the atheist thread nor the Debate thread.

Y'know, before we argue about this not being a debate thread, I would like to point out two things.

1. It sure would be nice for a debate thread to exist with both Christians and non-Christians not getting ******** and/or taking it too far. I'd actually enjoy this as being a good witness is kind of a responsibility as a Christian. Unfortunately, those will make ten pages maximum before a mod shuts it down. That's a damn shame for not only the posters who jump the gun by not being civil but for the mod who jumps the gun in closing it.

2. I must admit that when we occasionally debate in this thread (as I usually take part in many of them), nobody ever brings up that this thread is only meant for appreciation and worship. But when a non-Christian posts something, everyone loses their minds.

 

[Warhammer]

Wow .
I'm a bit baffled to see a Christian make that statement. I really hope you don't tell homosexuals/lesbians that God thinks it's okay to be that way. Please read your Bible or ask your pastor what the Bible says about this subject.

Harvest, why do you come off as so damn stuck up? All the dude (or girl, my bad...) said was his opinion. Then you have to reply in this "holier than thou" tone and question his belief. You pulled this same s*** on me a month ago.

I understand that people disagree. That's human nature. But there are better ways to do it than how you do it. Jesus would never do what you do which means that you fail as a witness. Damn.

 

[Apollo]

When I sense a debate coming my way, especially one that might wind up trapping me and further separating the division between me and the other. I follow the example in the following Youtube video..
Jesus does not say a word to King Herod. Yet at the same time, says a lot. He may not use words, but his eyes and his stillness answers every question. Not only does he answer the questions in this unconventional way, he did not create any further hatred that most likely would have occurred if Jesus used words.

[YT]adwhO5GgWw4[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adwhO5GgWw4

 

[The_Harvest]

Harvest, why do you come off as so damn stuck up? All the dude (or girl, my bad...) said was his opinion. Then you have to reply in this "holier than thou" tone and question his belief. You pulled this same s*** on me a month ago.

I understand that people disagree. That's human nature. But there are better ways to do it than how you do it. Jesus would never do what you do which means that you fail as a witness. Damn.

I'm going to be honest with you Warhammer. Your and my opinion doesn't have much weight when it comes to the Bible. If you don't think that someone who claims to be Christian and promotes homosexuality is suspect than I don't think that there is much we can agree on.
I've noticed that you to have this very "cool" and "relaxed view" about the Bible (I think you know which conversation I'm talking about). If I make a false statement and do so in the name of Christianity and you don't correct me than you're really not helping me. According to you Jesus never rebuked those that preached false Gospel or made false statements about the scriptures ? So the bible does not serve to correct when we fall astray ? Are you sure about that statement? I fail as a Witness? Please define what a witness is and how I failed.

 

[KevanG]

Apollo, just FYI, to make a YT video embed you only put everything after the =, so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adwhO5GgWw4 becomes adwhO5GgWw4

 

[Apollo]

^ Thank You! Much appreciated.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm going to be honest with you Warhammer. Your and my opinion doesn't have much weight when it comes to the Bible. If you don't think that someone who claims to be Christian and promotes homosexuality is suspect than I don't think that there is much we can agree on.

Irrelevant. I never agreed nor disagreed with squeakness. What I did do was call you out on how you responded to his post. Don't deviate.

I've noticed that you to have this very "cool" and "relaxed view" about the Bible (I think you know which conversation I'm talking about). If I make a false statement and do so in the name of Christianity and you don't correct me than you're really not helping me. According to you Jesus never rebuked those that preached false Gospel or made false statements about the scriptures ? So the bible does not serve to correct when we fall astray ? Are you sure about that statement? I fail as a Witness? Please define what a witness is and how I failed.

Yeah, you fail as being a good witness. Who responds positively to condescension? There's a way to say everything you posted in a different way. And leave it at that. Stop questioning someone's belief. Stop using the words "think" or "claim." You are nobody. Do you think that Jesus gathered a following and Christianity became what it is today due to condescension?

Why is this a hard concept for you to grasp? I honestly think that you act how you act because you are behind a keyboard typing away. You would never have the gall to act this way in person.

 

[Xeno]

I was just questioning why certain parts are taken at face value and ever so important when there were a number of others right beside them that are supposed to be equal but are totally ignored since they'd interfere with how someone wants to live.

To get right to the heart of it, the rules for behavior in Leviticus were the old covenant between God and the people of Israel. When Jesus came there was a new covenant forged between the Lord and people who accept Christ as their savior that superseded the old covenant. Jesus taught that what believers eat, with whom they associate, what they wear, etc., are all irrelevant to the state of their souls. As stated in Matthew, what goes into one's mouth cannot/does not defile them, but what comes out (words, beliefs) will. In other words, if one is faithless, blasphemes or curses God, that will mark them as a sinner, but eating certain foods, etc., will not.

After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, "Hear and understand. "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?"

Every Christian should know this, that those old laws are not binding upon believers in Christ. Those who aren't Christians (or haven't studied theology) are often honestly confused because they think the laws of Leviticus are binding upon Christians when in fact they never have been. (I am not speaking of the Ten Commandments here, of course.)

 

[The_Harvest]

Irrelevant. I never agreed nor disagreed with squeakness. What I did do was call you out on how you responded to his post. Don't deviate.

Yeah, you fail as being a good witness. Who responds positively to condescension? There's a way to say everything you posted in a different way. And leave it at that. Stop questioning someone's belief. Stop using the words "think" or "claim." You are nobody. Do you think that Jesus gathered a following and Christianity became what it is today due to condescension?

Why is this a hard concept for you to grasp? I honestly think that you act how you act because you are behind a keyboard typing away. You would never have the gall to act this way in person.

Is the part I bolded a threat? If so you're really exposing yourself.
You don't use the Bible very often to support your statements.
There are Biblical thruths that are plain, simple and laid out all over the Bible we should not even be arguing about them. Homosexuality is one of them, there is really no excuse. I have every right to question someone's believe (and so do you) especially when their "opinion" does not adhere with the Bible. More so on an internet forum. You seem to have an issue with rebuking and correcting. It's part of our Christian live. There are many examples of this in the Bible. I have been corrected many times during my walk with Christ and I am glad I was. It helped me avoid several errors when dealing with the Bible. Jesus gathered a following because people thrusted in him and believed what he said.

The word "Christian" gets thrown around so many times in our current society that many don't even know what it really implies. You've been unable to define what a witness refers to in your phrase.

 

[Human Torch]

And why isn't it followed today? It's part of the bible. It's commanded to be done. Lev bans a huge amount of things from being eaten, so why isn't it enforced like other parts?

How many people are divorced? 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"

Tattoos? Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."

Divorce is an important issue to be sure.Divorce should not be done lightly.

It's important to highlight part of the verse people miss.Most people want to look at it and say "Tattoo's are a sin?!?" But the point was not to mark oneself in a manner which the pagans do (or did) as a part of funeral rites.They were supposed to separate themselves from the practices of unbelievers.Much the same way we Christians are to separate ourselves from unbiblical practices today.

 

[Human Torch]

To get right to the heart of it, the rules for behavior in Leviticus were the old covenant between God and the people of Israel. When Jesus came there was a new covenant forged between the Lord and people who accept Christ as their savior that superseded the old covenant. Jesus taught that what believers eat, with whom they associate, what they wear, etc., are all irrelevant to the state of their souls. As stated in Matthew, what goes into one's mouth cannot/does not defile them, but what comes out (words, beliefs) will. In other words, if one is faithless, blasphemes or curses God, that will mark them as a sinner, but eating certain foods, etc., will not.



Every Christian should know this, that those old laws are not binding upon believers in Christ. Those who aren't Christians (or haven't studied theology) are often honestly confused because they think the laws of Leviticus are binding upon Christians when in fact they never have been. (I am not speaking of the Ten Commandments here, of course.)

Very well said.

Most people should understand this by now,but it still comes up every time.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm going to be honest with you Warhammer. Your and my opinion doesn't have much weight when it comes to the Bible. If you don't think that someone who claims to be Christian and promotes homosexuality is suspect than I don't think that there is much we can agree on.
I've noticed that you to have this very "cool" and "relaxed view" about the Bible (I think you know which conversation I'm talking about). If I make a false statement and do so in the name of Christianity and you don't correct me than you're really not helping me. According to you Jesus never rebuked those that preached false Gospel or made false statements about the scriptures ? So the bible does not serve to correct when we fall astray ? Are you sure about that statement? I fail as a Witness? Please define what a witness is and how I failed.

I do have to admit there are a number of folks that seem to hold a "relaxed" view of Christianity around here.I don't quite get how some can defend sexual sin (ANY sexual sin) as not a "big deal" in the Bible.I mean,none of us are perfect,but we should strive to do better than the average "non-believer".

 

[Warhammer]

Is the part I bolded a threat? If so you're really exposing yourself.

No. How old are you?

There are Biblical thruths that are plain and simply laid out all over the Bible we should not even be arguing about them. Homosexuality is one of them, there is really no excuse. I have every right to question someone's believe (and so do you) especially when there "opinion" does not adhere with the Bible. More so on an internet forum. You seem to have an issue with rebuking and correcting. It's part of our Christian live. There are many examples of this in the Bible. I have been corrected many times during my walk with Christ and I am glad I was. It helped me avoid several errors when dealing with the Bible.

No, I'm not going to sit there and question someone's belief because it differs from my own. I can supply verses. I can say that I disagree. I cannot say that they aren't really a Christian. And no, my issue is not with rebuking and correcting. I have an issue with the condescension. Did you not read? What is your malfunction? This is a trollish level of misunderstanding.

The word "Christian" is thrown around so many times in our current society that many don't even know what it really implies.

Many of them do. It doesn't need to fit your qualifications. It needs to fit God's.

You've been unable to define what a witness refers to in your phrase.

1 Peter 3:15

Look it up.

 

[Warhammer]

I do have to admit there are a number of folks that seem to hold a "relaxed" view of Christianity around here.I don't quite get how some can defend sexual sin (ANY sexual sin) as not a "big deal" in the Bible.I mean,none of us are perfect,but we should strive to do better than the average "non-believer".

Whoa, we're above veiled shots. Just man up and call me out.

 

[Human Torch]

Whoa, we're above veiled shots. Just man up and call me out.

I was neither veiling anything,nor taking shots.

If you were the sole Christian here who has a "relaxed" view of Christianity,I'd have "called you out."

 

[Warhammer]

But I didn't bold that part, did I?

 

[The_Harvest]

No. How old are you?



No, I'm not going to sit there and question someone's belief because it differs from my own. I can supply verses. I can say that I disagree. I cannot say that they aren't really a Christian. And no, my issue is not with rebuking and correcting. I have an issue with the condescension. Did you not read? What is your malfunction? This is a trollish level of misunderstanding.



Many of them do. It doesn't need to fit your qualifications. It needs to fit God's.



1 Peter 3:15

Look it up.

Really, to you questioning someone's courage is a common way of communicating? So when someone tells you that "you wouldn't dare to say that to my face" it's suppose to be taken with humor?

1 peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

It refers to preaching the Gospel or more specific Jesus-Christ.

The issue with your statement is that you're talking about someone that presents him or herself as a Christian . So your believes should not differ.
If he confesses that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh than he indeed is saved.

1 John 4:1-3
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


But I can't determine that on an internet forum the only prove I have are your statements. I don't know you personally but one thing I can assume going by your statements and views on the Christian live is that we would never fellowship.

 

[Warhammer]

Really, to you questioning someone's courage is a common way of communicating? So when someone tells you that "you wouldn't dare to say that to my face" it's suppose to be taken with humor?

Well, that's not my quote first of all. Goodness, man. No. I meant that you wouldn't go up to a Christian and tell him that he only claims to be one. Goodness gracious.

1 peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

It refers to preaching the Gospel or more specific Jesus-Christ.

You forgot "with meekness and fear." Synonyms for those words are gentleness and respect if you didn't already know.

The issue with your statement is that you're talking about someone that presents him or herself as a Christian . So your believes should not differ.

If he confesses that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh than he indeed is saved.

But you know it doesn't work that way. We're human. We differ in opinions among other things by nature. Being Christian doesn't supersede that. That's why Jesus had to die. And I agree with your last sentence. That's truth.

But I can't determine that on an internet forum the only prove I have are your statements. I don't know you personally but one thing I can assume going by your statements and views on the Christian live is that we would never fellowship.

That's rather dismissive but whatever floats your boat. You don't even know me. I hope one day, your fellowship isn't limited only to people who share your opinion of Christianity. It's enlightening.

 

[The Endless]

Would the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ stand and watch a homosexual be hung or stone... for simply being homosexual?