The Dark Knight The Joker blatantly commits suicide

[panda_eater]

I know he wants BATMAN to ride his motorcycle into him but he does not know about Harvey's coin when he has him put a gun to his head. Was he calling Harvey's bluff and counting on him to forgive him?

 

[BestGirl]

He was probably hoping Harvey would kill him.

 

[ChocheTheHero]

The Joker does not care to commit suicide. If he had been killed by Harvey or Batman, his goal, would be completed.

 

[Brother Jack]

Harvey putting the gun to his head already confirmed he was successful in corrupting him, so by that point it didn't matter whether he killed him or not. In fact if he did kill him his point would be made even further.

 

[The Joker]

I loved his fearless nature towards death. Especially when Batman tosses him off the Prewitt building, and he laughs while he's falling.

 

[General Vulcun]

I really don't think The Joker cares whether he lives or dies. If he lives, he goes on to spread more chaos and corruption. If he dies, he's probably going to make sure he dies in a way that is corrupting Gotham's heroes (the gun Harvey holds at Joker's head, Batman throwing him off the Prewitt building). Joker lives to exposes those contradictions, by any means possible, but, like in the comics, if Joker is to die, I'm sure he'd perfer that Batman be the one to kill him, as he sees him as his one equal in the world.

 

[BestGirl]

I know he wants BATMAN to ride his motorcycle into him but he does not know about Harvey's coin when he has him put a gun to his head. Was he calling Harvey's bluff and counting on him to forgive him?

Come to think of it, Joker might've known about Harvey's coin if Maroni's spies told him about it. He just wouldnt've known Harvey would use it on him.

 

[Beanjuice]

Yeah the Joker's goal was to take one of the most upstanding figures in gotham and bring gotham down to his level. Having Harvey or Bats, kill him would achieve his goal. However, he won without having his life ended

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Hmmm, Harvey killing Joker wouldn't have been an act of corruption though since a lot of reasonable people would do the same thing and would've stopped further catastrophes. I think Joker knew that even if Harvey killed him while the act itself wouldn't have been a corrupt or evil one for Harvey it certainly wouldn't stop Harvey from continuing his rampage, or even worse, dropping the chance shtick after seeing how effective shooting the guy was and killing even more people.

 

[[A]]

I loved his fearless nature towards death. Especially when Batman tosses him off the Prewitt building, and he laughs while he's falling.

hysterical!

 

[frodawgg]

I loved his fearless nature towards death. Especially when Batman tosses him off the Prewitt building, and he laughs while he's falling.

yeah, i've always liked that...unlike that ***** Jack in B89, who screams as he falls to his death. just kidding...i love Jack.

 

[Ipodman]

I love that hospital scene.... Both villains in the same room. using their "super powers" at each other.

 

[The Joker]

Two Face: *Holds up unscarred side of the coin* "You live"
Joker: "Mmmm hmmm"
Two Face: *Holds up scarred side* "You die"
Joker: "Mmmm now we're talkin'"

 

[Travesty]

Yeah the Joker's goal was to take one of the most upstanding figures in gotham and bring gotham down to his level. Having Harvey or Bats, kill him would achieve his goal. However, he won without having his life ended

Exactly, and like he said, "it's not about the money, it's about sending a message".

 

[Bathead]

I don't necessarily think he ws suicidal (in the strictest sense of the word), but I definitely think he had a death wish. He wanted to die, he just wanted somone else to do it for him. He pretty much said that out loud, when Batman is bearing down on him on the Bat-pod, he says "C'mon, I want you to do it! I want you to do it!" I don't really think it mattered to him one way or the other whether Harvey killed him or not.

 

[El Payaso]

Thing is Joker only wanted to die when his death started to mean something (aka "the message").

Being killed by the cops or some gangsters meant nothing. That's why he was hiding himself behind a table during the bank robbery.

But as soon as he saw that Batman and Harvey were symbols of incorruptibility and hope, then being killed by either of them meant something; that incorruptibility and hope do not actually exist and people of Gotham needed to know that. And thus, he wanted to die on their hands.

I'd say Joker wasn't inherently suicidal. He was the ultimate ideologist. Suicide was desirable only if it can achieve something bigger.

 

[Brother Jack]

If Batman had killed Joker with the bat-pod the police (who were present at the scene) would have been forced to cut their ties with him and issue his arrest, even if they were glad he did it. But more than that Bruce would have become the one thing he swore he never would: an executioner. Batman would have failed himself and failed the city, and Joker would have had the ultimate triumph. Same goes for Harvey, although he only didn't kill him because of the coin.

 

[WhiteShoulder]

The Joker is basically a martyr. He would let himself die if it proved his cause, but not for anything less.