Justice League The J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter Thread

I personally want to see him in the 1st JL movie, he is an original member after all. I even think the White Martians would be good villains for a 1st JL movie.
 
Yes the sooner the better for MM. Im a huge fan. His abilities would be sick in live action.
 
That ******ed diatribe about She Hulk and MMH really made Goyer's stock drop hard in my book.

It's like he's somehow racist against green skinned characters. Maybe Kermit the frog took his lunch money as a kid or something.

I have to laugh at how Goyer said only nerds cared about Martian Manhunter and how he'd have to change him drastically to make anyone care. While Marvel just had a huge success in using a team that barely anyone knew about, and because of their great handling of the project Guardians are an A+ top team in Marvel's world both movies and comics now.
 
How? Because he said, "Just say the word" ..i dno man il believe it when its official. I wouldnt mind black adam though.

That, but more obviously because he posted a picture of Shazam and Black Adam fighting.
 
That, but more obviously because he posted a picture of Shazam and Black Adam fighting.

oops, forgot about that one. He also said Green Lantern could whoop superman. lol Maybe hes playing head games with us.
 
oops, forgot about that one. He also said Green Lantern could whoop superman. lol Maybe hes playing head games with us.
He also said that he won't be playing Green Lantern.

I'm telling you dude. He's Shazam or Black Adam. No doubt.
 
He also said that he won't be playing Green Lantern.

I'm telling you dude. He's Shazam or Black Adam. No doubt.

Haha yea i remember that too. Id rather him play Black Adam before he became the corrupted villian. Black Adam the hero, maybe a Prequel?
 
Haha yea i remember that too. Id rather him play Black Adam before he became the corrupted villian. Black Adam the hero, maybe a Prequel?
Not a bad idea there, but there's plenty of more worthy characters deserving a movie before we get a straight Black Adam movie. I would think that if Dwayne Johnson IS cast as Black Adam that there will be plenty of focus on the character and probably some flashbacks in the Shazam movie. If Dwayne Johnson (the highest grossing actor of 2013) is Black Adam, you can bet there will be a strong focus on that character.

I think the best thing to do would be to just get Dwayne Johnson as the childish superhero Shazam. His talents seem better suited for Shazam than Black Adam. Plus, getting Dwayne Johnson on the JL lineup would be a huge win for WB.
 
Not a bad idea there, but there's plenty of more worthy characters deserving a movie before we get a straight Black Adam movie. I would think that if Dwayne Johnson IS cast as Black Adam that there will be plenty of focus on the character and probably some flashbacks in the Shazam movie. If Dwayne Johnson (the highest grossing actor of 2013) is Black Adam, you can bet there will be a strong focus on that character.

I think the best thing to do would be to just get Dwayne Johnson as the childish superhero Shazam. His talents seem better suited for Shazam than Black Adam. Plus, getting Dwayne Johnson on the JL lineup would be a huge win for WB.

ahh, to each his own i geuss. I think he could to either but i dont necessarily want shazaam universe to be connected.
 
you edited your post on me lol. You have some good points though. Whoever he plays there will b strong focus on that character
 
I have to laugh at how Goyer said only nerds cared about Martian Manhunter and how he'd have to change him drastically to make anyone care. While Marvel just had a huge success in using a team that barely anyone knew about, and because of their great handling of the project Guardians are an A+ top team in Marvel's world both movies and comics now.

:up: And as a Guardians fan I can tell you they are a much harder sell than MM would be, IMO at least.
 
I don't think Goyer or anyone at DC/WB realizes the genius potential they have with Martian Manhunter.

We live in a culture that has continuously shoved down our throats - superhero films included - the idea that stereotypical looking (usually green skinned) aliens are evil. We've seen it in countless sci-fi classics, in the Avengers, we'll probably see it with Brainiac. So what better way to turn that around and distinguish yourself from Marvel at the same time by having one of those aliens you'd expect to be evil on the brand's big gun team, the JL?

Furthermore, there are so many racial themes you can tap into with MM in a way no one else can, barring maybe the X-Men. In Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Lex remarks how easily people are willing to trust an alien like Kal-El just because he looks human. By default, Clark has a huge headstart to gaining public trust simply because he looks like one of us while J'onn looks like the "evil creatures here to take over" the media's been demonizing in pop culture for decades. Even though J'onn is (arguably) the most peaceful of the original 7.

And unlike J'onn, Clark isn't really an alien. I mean, biologically he is, but at heart he is as human as you and me. He grew up here on Earth and his character and values come from the Kents. Krypton and space are almost just as foreign to him as they are to us. He respects his Krypton heritage, but he is first and foremost human, much like how a child with immigrant parents living in America is aware of his or her background culture but is first and foremost American. Plus with Superman, the point was never that he was an alien, but that he is a Messianic figure sent from a better world to prevent our world from making the same mistakes. Whether he is from Krypton or Asgard or an alternate future doesn't change that core message. With J'onn, the whole point is specifically that he is an alien. He is the adult immigrant from the stars, grew up in an entirely different culture, witnessed the genocide of his family and race in the name of the White Martians' supposed racial superiority (similar to the way Nazis viewed Jews), who decided to make Earth his new home and start a new chapter. And although he misses his old home and family and doesn't quite fully adapt to human culture, he still manages to find a home and friends in the Justice League. He's all about the Justice League. There's no "complete" JL without him IMO.

It's part of why I never liked so many aliens on the JL other than Supes and MM. I think it kinda cheapens MM's backstory and him as a character.

Unfortunately, DC's been sidelining him since the start of the New 52. It's a shame they're trying so hard to bury him with not even the most interesting minority character they have (Static, Black Lightning, Blue Beetle > Cyborg). Which is funny in the first place, since MM already is your minority team member in many ways. Especially since his default human form has been an African American for a good while now.

I just think it's incredibly ironic that in the name of political correctness, to have a character with physical minority appearances, we've thrown out a character with actual racial themes attached to him. And this is part of why DC will always struggle compared to Marvel. Because they can't even see the depth and potential of their characters when it's right there in their face.
 
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I don't think Goyer or anyone at DC/WB realizes the genius potential they have with Martian Manhunter.

We live in a culture that has continuously shoved down our throats - superhero films included - the idea that stereotypical looking (usually green skinned) aliens are evil. We've seen it in countless sci-fi classics, in the Avengers, we'll probably see it with Brainiac. So what better way to turn that around and distinguish yourself from Marvel at the same time by having one of those aliens you'd expect to be evil on the brand's big gun team, the JL?

Furthermore, there are so many racial themes you can tap into with MM in a way no one else can, barring maybe the X-Men. In Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Lex remarks how easily people are willing to trust an alien like Kal-El just because he looks human. By default, Clark has a huge headstart to gaining public trust simply because he looks like one of us while J'onn looks like the "evil creatures here to take over" the media's been demonizing in pop culture for decades. Enough J'onn is (arguably) the most peaceful of the original 7.

And unlike J'onn, Clark isn't really an alien. I mean, biologically he is, but at heart he is as human as you and me. He grew up here on Earth and his character and values come from the Kents. Krypton and space are almost just as foreign to him as they are to us. He respects his Krypton heritage, but he is first and foremost human, much like how a child with immigrant parents living in America is aware of his or her background culture but is first and foremost American. Plus with Superman, the point was never that he was an alien, but that he is a Messianic figure sent from a better world to prevent our world from making the same mistakes. Whether he is from Krypton or Asgard or an alternate future doesn't change that core message. With J'onn, the whole point is specifically that he is an alien. He is the adult immigrant from the stars, grew up in an entirely different culture, witnessed the genocide of his family and race in the name of the White Martians' supposed racial superiority (similar to the way Nazis viewed Jews), who decided to make Earth his new home and start a new chapter. And although he misses his old home and family and doesn't quite fully adapt to human culture, he still manages to find a home and friends in the Justice League. He's all about the Justice League. There's no "complete" JL without him IMO.

It's part of why I never liked so many aliens on the JL other than Supes and MM. I think it kinda cheapens MM's backstory and him as a character.

Unfortunately, DC's been sidelining him since the start of the New 52. It's a shame they're trying so hard to bury him with not even the most interesting minority character they have (Static, Black Lightning, Blue Beetle > Cyborg). Which is funny in the first place, since MM already is your minority team member in many ways. Especially since his default human form has been an African American for a good while now.

I just think it's incredibly ironic that in the name of political correctness, to have a character with physical minority appearances, we've thrown out a character with actual racial themes attached to him. And this is part of why DC will always struggle compared to Marvel. Because they can't even see the depth and potential of their characters when it's right there in their face.

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I don't think Goyer or anyone at DC/WB realizes the genius potential they have with Martian Manhunter.

We live in a culture that has continuously shoved down our throats - superhero films included - the idea that stereotypical looking (usually green skinned) aliens are evil. We've seen it in countless sci-fi classics, in the Avengers, we'll probably see it with Brainiac. So what better way to turn that around and distinguish yourself from Marvel at the same time by having one of those aliens you'd expect to be evil on the brand's big gun team, the JL?

Furthermore, there are so many racial themes you can tap into with MM in a way no one else can, barring maybe the X-Men. In Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Lex remarks how easily people are willing to trust an alien like Kal-El just because he looks human. By default, Clark has a huge headstart to gaining public trust simply because he looks like one of us while J'onn looks like the "evil creatures here to take over" the media's been demonizing in pop culture for decades. Enough J'onn is (arguably) the most peaceful of the original 7.

And unlike J'onn, Clark isn't really an alien. I mean, biologically he is, but at heart he is as human as you and me. He grew up here on Earth and his character and values come from the Kents. Krypton and space are almost just as foreign to him as they are to us. He respects his Krypton heritage, but he is first and foremost human, much like how a child with immigrant parents living in America is aware of his or her background culture but is first and foremost American. Plus with Superman, the point was never that he was an alien, but that he is a Messianic figure sent from a better world to prevent our world from making the same mistakes. Whether he is from Krypton or Asgard or an alternate future doesn't change that core message. With J'onn, the whole point is specifically that he is an alien. He is the adult immigrant from the stars, grew up in an entirely different culture, witnessed the genocide of his family and race in the name of the White Martians' supposed racial superiority (similar to the way Nazis viewed Jews), who decided to make Earth his new home and start a new chapter. And although he misses his old home and family and doesn't quite fully adapt to human culture, he still manages to find a home and friends in the Justice League. He's all about the Justice League. There's no "complete" JL without him IMO.

It's part of why I never liked so many aliens on the JL other than Supes and MM. I think it kinda cheapens MM's backstory and him as a character.

Unfortunately, DC's been sidelining him since the start of the New 52. It's a shame they're trying so hard to bury him with not even the most interesting minority character they have (Static, Black Lightning, Blue Beetle > Cyborg). Which is funny in the first place, since MM already is your minority team member in many ways. Especially since his default human form has been an African American for a good while now.

I just think it's incredibly ironic that in the name of political correctness, to have a character with physical minority appearances, we've thrown out a character with actual racial themes attached to him. And this is part of why DC will always struggle compared to Marvel. Because they can't even see the depth and potential of their characters when it's right there in their face.


Great and eloquent post which I agree with completely, all the way until the highlighted part. That's when it became unnecessary Marvel vs DC crap with no evidence to back it up. First of all a JL movie is 3 years away at the least, with zero announcements made about the lineup so it is just wrong to assume that MM is 100% not going to be in the film or it's sequels.

Secondly, Marvel has done nothing to show any form of sensitivity to the issue of either racial or gender diversity as all of the Avengers are white males (except Sam LJ) and the one woman in the team is sexed up and sold as eye candy, albeit badass eye candy.

So before attacking DC pointlessly, please wait for a few years till we all have seen what's really up their sleeves. Who knows, they might be riling up the fans on purpose to see what really matters to them and maybe giving us MM was the plan all along.
 
Black Widow wasn't sexed up in Avengers or The Winter Soldier. Saldana wasn't sexed up in Guardians. And she's black. The Avengers are white males because they are white males in the comics. It'd be cool to see Rhodey and Falcon appear though.

But i agree we should wait and see. The idea of writing J'onn off as too silly though is baffling at this point.
 
Great and eloquent post which I agree with completely, all the way until the highlighted part. That's when it became unnecessary Marvel vs DC crap with no evidence to back it up. First of all a JL movie is 3 years away at the least, with zero announcements made about the lineup so it is just wrong to assume that MM is 100% not going to be in the film or it's sequels.

Secondly, Marvel has done nothing to show any form of sensitivity to the issue of either racial or gender diversity as all of the Avengers are white males (except Sam LJ) and the one woman in the team is sexed up and sold as eye candy, albeit badass eye candy.

So before attacking DC pointlessly, please wait for a few years till we all have seen what's really up their sleeves. Who knows, they might be riling up the fans on purpose to see what really matters to them and maybe giving us MM was the plan all along.

First, we know DC's been shafting him across all mediums in favor of Cyborg. That's been an established fact for a few years now. We also know they're already setting up Cyborg and Goyer - one of, if not the most influential writer in building the DC Cinematic Universe - dislikes him. All that right there is a huge indication MM will likely be getting the shaft in the films too. We don't know for sure, but it's likely. Just how like we don't know for sure if invisible and intangible unicorns exist, but that it's likely they don't based on the evidence we have.

Second, Black Widow wasn't a sexed up object. If anything, IM2 and TA made a bigger deal out of her importance than it really was.

Third, obviously Marvel wouldn't add racial themes to the Avengers because there are no such themes associated with any of the current roster. That wasn't my point. My point was they see the potential in their characters. Iron Man, Cap, Hulk and Thor were always characters that had depth. It just wasn't at the forefront with the GA. They brought it at the forefront. Same thing with Guardians. People have been asking for another Star Wars-like space adventure for a while. Guardians as a property was always that, but it wasn't brought to the forefront until the film.

It's not like what I just wrote about MM is my cool unique take on the character that's never been done. All of that is right there in the comics, sometimes it's in-your-face and sometimes it's more subtle, depending on the writer. That's what I mean by them not realizing the potential with their characters.

These are also the same people who had some of the most brilliant sci-fi ideas in all of superhero film paper when they wrote MOS and didn't bring those ideas to the forefront either, in the film's execution.
 
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For all the MM fans I made this with JJL as MM.

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I could see them including MM in the sequrl to JL, just because they seem to be pushing the new 52 line up on us. MM is one of the few DC characters I really like so hope they bring him to life some how one day. The way I'd do it is have cyborg and possibly shazam leave and start up a titans team (starts a whole new franchise) and bring in MM and probably hawk girl for the JL sequel.
 
Thanks. Never heard of him, but a handsome chap.
 
I wouldn't take out Harry Lennix. I mean he was in a mocapsuit. He maybe is MM first option of Snyder.
 
Unfortunately, DC's been sidelining him since the start of the New 52. It's a shame they're trying so hard to bury him with not even the most interesting minority character they have (Static, Black Lightning, Blue Beetle > Cyborg). Which is funny in the first place, since MM already is your minority team member in many ways. Especially since his default human form has been an African American for a good while now.

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He's the leader in Justice League United. Jeff Lemire's doing an awesome job writing him there IMO.
 

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