Superman Returns The KID.....merged threads

[Kane]

All I know for sure is the kid is named 'Jason White' in the film apparently..

We'll see what comes of that.

 

[Spider-jedi]

won't it be funny if the kid is lexs becaue in the comics they did have a kid together and he had super powers i think hes name was alexander luthor i know its kinda off topic but i'm just saying

 

[Kane]

Earth 3 ya. That was a world where Luthor was the world's greatest superhero who fought against Ultraman (Superman's evil counterpart)

 

[The Game]

I just hope the kid goes the way of Piggy from Lord of The Flies.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They are not going to kill a child in a Superman movie. It's a horrible idea, but like or not it's there.

 

[C. Lee]

Earth 3 ya. That was a world where Luthor was the world's greatest superhero who fought against Ultraman (Superman's evil counterpart)

I never heard of that, but it sounds really interesting....I love alternate reality stories.

 

[LuvSupes]

All I know for sure is the kid is named 'Jason White' in the film apparently..

How do you know this for sure? I'm just curious because I keep seeing him referred to as Jason. For example on the topps card, it's just Jason.

 

[musclesforsupes]

IMO the kid is not SUperman's, as Singer himself said SII was not in SR's continuity.

Yes but remember basically Superman I and II is just one big movie, happening over the course of a few months between one another. So there is no Superman II

 

[Nautica7mk]

How do you know this for sure? I'm just curious because I keep seeing him referred to as Jason. For example on the topps card, it's just Jason.

Same here. I only read Jason White in an article but that could've just been an assumption. It'd be more interesting if Richard was in the process of adopting Jason.

 

[Venom71]

I just got the kid figured out..he is Perry White's grandson and Lois is just watching over him for Perry

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I think the kid is just an illusion created by Superman from being gone so long. Anything he hears or sees involving the kid, never existed. Merely a theory.

 

[Spider-jedi]

thats just dumb

 

[The Game]

I think the kid is just an illusion created by Superman from being gone so long. Anything he hears or sees involving the kid, never existed. Merely a theory.

if they ever did that on screen...................wow just wow

 

[Kane]

How do you know this for sure? I'm just curious because I keep seeing him referred to as Jason. For example on the topps card, it's just Jason.

Thats what Iris @ Brandonrouth.com/Bluetights told me and it was old news apparently.

 

[TheBat812]

Yes but remember basically Superman I and II is just one big movie, happening over the course of a few months between one another. So there is no Superman II

yes, however, Superman II was not the movie it was meant to be, it wasn't credited to Donner, so Singer wouldn't use it.

 

[The Kid]

Maybe but some factors continue pointing to that movie still having some relation to sr. One is how Mo said the kid is supes' son. What other conclusion can be made except that he is the result of Lois and Supes' little night of passion together, in the second film? What is more although not very substantial is how Lex finds the fortress in returns. If he builds a device similar to the one in sm2 and that's how he finds it then we'll know Sm2 is scratched off the continuity without a doubt.

 

[LuvSupes]

Thats what Iris @ Brandonrouth.com/Bluetights told me and it was old news apparently.

Thanks for the reply. I thought maybe you had the novelization or something. I'm still looking for a copy since I've heard it is out at Walmart stores now.

Anyhow I just noticed over at BT, ForsakeN transcribed the kryptonian of some of the topps trading cards, including...

#57 (A Day at the Office) translates to: "Mysterious Jason Lane"

That is the first I've seen his last name printed. So I'm still leaning towards it being Lois/Supes' kid.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

if they ever did that on screen...................wow just wow

Haha, I was just messing around, but yeah, if they did that on screen,

 

[Kane]

Anyhow I just noticed over at BT, ForsakeN transcribed the kryptonian of some of the topps trading cards, including...

#57 (A Day at the Office) translates to: "Mysterious Jason Lane"

That is the first I've seen his last name printed. So I'm still leaning towards it being Lois/Supes' kid.

Hmm ya I checked that out and showed it to them, they still say its 'Jason White' so we'll see. According to another poster, more spoilers from more trading cards are out:

Spoilers

"I bought some cards today, didn't get any material cards tho.

Got a holofoil though!

Here's some stuff...



1. Yes, according to the card, Clark is having a beer because he's a bit depressed over the news about Lois. He has Bibbo change the channel to a baseball game.

2. Kal Pen's character isn't a campy idiot, he's the brains of the operation. He studies the crystals and learns (by accident) how they work. Basically, he accidentally drops it on one of Luthor's models, and a Kryptonian stucture shoots out of the ground and basically goes through the roof.

3. Lex has learned that on Krypton, cities were grown and not built.

4. Lex's Yatch may sink with Lois and Jason on them (NOT POSITIVE HERE).

5. Lex does wear wigs, but it doesn't seem that he will that often.

6. Superman AND Richard will save Lois and Jason.

7. The crystal young Clark Kent picks up revives old memories of Krypton, basically telling him where he came from, etc.

8. Lex fires off 6 missles from his yatch. I personally think they contain crystals, and will be used to spread New Krypton.

9. Doesn't say anything about the kid being Superman's, just that the kid is smart and rescourceful like his mom.

10. Yes, this is sort of a real estate scam, but on a way bigger basis. New Krypton is virtually indestructable, and people from all over the world will want a piece of it, or something like that."

 

[Enigma2k]

In the movie "Jason" is wearing a pair of Aquaman pajamas when
he gets tucked into bed.

 

[Adam West]

So with all the Da Vinci Code hype it got me thinking. Superman's origins are grounded in the Christ Mythology. The new popular theory is that Christ had a kid. Maybe they gave Superman a kid to reflect this?

 

[Karea07]

I hope that kid isnt Supermans

 

[Cinemaman]

Hmm ya I checked that out and showed it to them, they still say its 'Jason White' so we'll see. According to another poster, more spoilers from more trading cards are out:

Spoilers

"I bought some cards today, didn't get any material cards tho.

Got a holofoil though!

Here's some stuff...



1. Yes, according to the card, Clark is having a beer because he's a bit depressed over the news about Lois. He has Bibbo change the channel to a baseball game.

2. Kal Pen's character isn't a campy idiot, he's the brains of the operation. He studies the crystals and learns (by accident) how they work. Basically, he accidentally drops it on one of Luthor's models, and a Kryptonian stucture shoots out of the ground and basically goes through the roof.

3. Lex has learned that on Krypton, cities were grown and not built.

4. Lex's Yatch may sink with Lois and Jason on them (NOT POSITIVE HERE).

5. Lex does wear wigs, but it doesn't seem that he will that often.

6. Superman AND Richard will save Lois and Jason.

7. The crystal young Clark Kent picks up revives old memories of Krypton, basically telling him where he came from, etc.

8. Lex fires off 6 missles from his yatch. I personally think they contain crystals, and will be used to spread New Krypton.

9. Doesn't say anything about the kid being Superman's, just that the kid is smart and rescourceful like his mom.

10. Yes, this is sort of a real estate scam, but on a way bigger basis. New Krypton is virtually indestructable, and people from all over the world will want a piece of it, or something like that."

I think the whole movie sounds very intersting.

But I dont get how Super and Richard will save them.

Also, Richard is going to die, I think so.

That means that Showtime029 was right, people will want to see NK, but Lex losses control.

 

[Garzo]

If the kid turns out to be Superman's -- and that's still a big IF -- it means Lois and Clark not only had sex, but that Lois is unaware of it. Perhaps the story will follow from Superman II, when Clark erased Lois' memory with a kiss -- but that would be really bad storytelling and adopting one of the worse aspects of the old film.

My other problem with the whole kid storyline -- and again, IF it is Superman's, as we still don't know -- is that it means of course that Kryptonian and human biology are compatible, and that makes little sense, seeing as how he's an alien with incredible powers and a body that is a living solar battery which would most likely be very different in nature than the physical makeup of humans. And that's what movie and TV writers often seem to forget or ignore. Too often Superman is presented as a god-like being who can become mortal at the drop of a hat, and then regain his powers. His powers should be part of his alien biology, not a "gift" from Kryptonian technology or something you can switch on or off.

Does Superman have to be de-powered to reproduce with puny humans? Does "de-powering" Superman miraculously transform him into a human being?

If the story follows from Superman II, when Kal-el and Lois slept together after Kal-el had lost his powers thanks to his handy red-sun machine, it would stand to reason that the kid is "mortal" too. Yet it was exactly that plot device that I found silly in Superman II and what I really dislike about Smallville. Either you are an alien with super powers, or you are human. In Smallville, it seems Jor-el can take Clark's powers away when he feels like it and even give similar powers to Jonathan, or, in the case of Braniac, to Lex. What's the point of Superman's origins if super powers can be given and taken away to anyone with Kryptonian technology? And if Superman lost his powers and has a son, is that son now "human"? Or is he still half Kryptonian? And if he's half Kryptonian, shouldn't his body structure work exactly like that of a Kryptonian?

I can accept that "red sun" energy can weaken Superman and sap him of his strength and even ability to fly temporarily, but can red sun energy really make Superman human? I hope the writers do not accept the faulty premise of the very flawed Superman II.

Personally, I think the whole idea of "red sun" and "yellow sun" must be once and for all done away with. Red sun rays sap power, yellow sun rays strenthen power levels -- it makes no sense. I think here the writers can tweak his origins somewhat, if not completely overhaul them.

I read that on Smallville, it will be General Zod who is directly responsible for the destruction of Krypton, rather than a natural catastrophe. At least in that way, one can accept something like Kryptonite as being dangerous radioactive or WMD residue from the fallout.

Of course, this is all fantasy and you have to have a suspension of disbelief but it doesn't hurt to have a certain framework of logic to work with, otherwise you end up with the chaotic storytelling of Smallvile, where super anyone can gain and lose super powers.

 

[sf2]

All I know for sure is the kid is named 'Jason White' in the film apparently..

We'll see what comes of that.

sorry, the kid's name is JASON LANE.