The Last of Us The Last Of Us 2

[Bobber]

I don't even know anymore.

 

[OutOfBoose]

People claim over and over they know the entire plot. But never answer any questions. We know the premise, we know some (including late game) plot turns. And this is it.

 

[Broseph44]

...what about it?

I find it very entertaining

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I have to ask, why are you in here? You're obviously very sensitive about spoilers. Anything that could even be remotely indicative of story elements upsets you. Thats your choice and you do you. But you know for a fact that the entire plot of the game and 2 hours of cutscenes leaked. So why in pluperfect hell would you go into any Last of Us 2 thread on any forum? So many fans have read the spoilers that at this point spoiler free speculation is going to be scarce. There's very little to speculate about since we know the plot, and because we know so much of the plot we cant do much of any educated speculation without using those spoilers in our speculation which means you can't really participate in those speculations and discussions. So what exactly are you hoping to gain by entering any Last of Us 2 discussion thread? If you're just interested in official news about the release, release plans and such, the official Naughty Dog twitter is going to be the place to go. If you're just interested in non spoiler unofficial news then reliable game journalism sources are another option. If you want to know about or discuss the who, what, and why of the leak then sure you can do that in an LOU 2 thread, but it's an unnecessary and foolish risk if you're as sensitive about spoilers as you seem to be.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to run you off or say you cant be in here. You're more than welcome to post wherever you want on these forums and I'm not going to say otherwise. I just dont understand why you're taking this risk at this point.

When he posted that, I thought about it to myself ("why are you even in this thread then?") but the thing is, it's his choice to be here and while everybody else doesn't have to give warnings if their posts will contain spoilers, this is the only place on this forum with an active thread about TLOU. It's not this way on any forum.

For example on Resetera there is a thread specifically dedicated to spoiler discussion, and any discussion of spoilers outside of the designated is strictly prohibited and enforced to be that way. Unless we make another thread just to talk about spoilers, I can't really blame Bobber.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Stolen this from Resetera. Really like this opinion and this is where I'm at regarding the sequel:

Spoiler

by redflamingolingo

I just cannot understand for the life of me why the **** people are SO upset about the leaked plot. To me it sounds absolutely ****ing incredible, the little bit of it that we know. The Last of Us is my favorite game of all time. I've played it at least 5 times, and I will play through it again in the coming month in preparation for Part II.

Why are people so ****ing upset that Joel is murdered by someone seeking revenge for someone he killed from the first game? What do fans want from Part II? Do people really want to play a game about Ellie seeking revenge for some newly introduced character who gets killed? Because that sounds so ****ing lame to me.

The only way an Ellie revenge story would hit hard is if Joel dies and she sets out to avenge his death. This is literally the best way to tell this story. And I love how Naughty Dog is exploring the idea that the "bad" guys are multidimensional people, too. They tried this a bit with David and his group in the first game, but I don't think it worked because David eventually just turned into a full villain. Having the player see Abby's life and play as Abby is such a brilliant idea.

In my opinion, everything I've read from the leaks so far is literally the best-case scenario for setting up a sequel to the first game.

The first game is such an amazing experience for several reasons, but the primary reason it stands so tall above every other game I've ever played is how it refuses to give the player what they want. The game is true, completely, to its characters and the arcs ND constructs with those characters. When Joel kills the surgeon at the end of the game, I remember debating with several friends about whether or not that should have been a cut scene, a player choice, or presented the way ND showed it, which required the player to be Joel and to be completely, 100% complicit in the killing of the surgeon. The game removes choice from the equation. You have to press a button to murder an innocent man (debatable perhaps) in order to proceed. You have to BE Joel in that moment. It could have just been a cut scene, but ND wanted the player to take part in this murder.

And the game delivers an ending that is true to Joel and to Ellie. And it certainly was not what I expected. And it is an absolutely flawless ending.

And these leaks make me feel like ND is being true to Ellie and Joel's story. They aren't just giving fans a rehash of the first game where Ellie and Joel go on some journey. Who the **** would want to play that? I want to play something that provokes me and makes me think outside of the box. I want to play another game that surprises me, that finds beauty in chaos, and that features two of the best characters ever created.

Is it sad that Joel will be killed? Of course it is. He is an incredible character. But I think that in order for this game to work, his death is necessary. And it will make Ellie's quest actually mean something. It will cut to the bone. And that's the ****ing game I want to play.

So I'm not sure what everyone else wanted. But I want this. And I cannot wait to play it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Playing through the first at the moment for the first time ever and loving it.

Unfortunately had some things spoiled about the sequel, thankfully not too much though.

 

[OutOfBoose]

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

jeez they're really making a point to disable likes and comments on everything tlou related now

 

[OutOfBoose]

Thank the leakers. They ruined these two months for all of us.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Not gonna lie I hope they lock the bastard.

What the hell

Why would you want that?

 

[OutOfBoose]

What the hell

Why would you want that?

For committing a crime, I guess. For ruining anticipation of the game. If there's a lawsuit, they will know better, but I'm not thankful for what they did to everyone.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

For committing a crime, I guess. For ruining anticipation of the game. If there's a lawsuit, they will know better, but I'm not thankful for what they did to everyone.

1. Not all crimes committed are incarcerating.
2. Ruining the anticipation of a game is not a crime at all.
3. If there's a lawsuit, they will face the full consequences of their actions. And that's all the justice that they deserve.

 

[OutOfBoose]

1. Not all crimes committed are incarcerating.
2. Ruining the anticipation of a game is not a crime at all.
3. If there's a lawsuit, they will face the full consequences of their actions. And that's all the justice that they deserve.

But dumping illegal materials in open space is. One thing it's hearsay (believe it or not), another - literally stealing stuff. The court will know better. Fine, incarceration or whatever... There has to be some punishment.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

But dumping illegal materials in open space is. One thing it's hearsay (believe it or not), another - literally stealing stuff. The court will know better. Fine, incarceration or whatever... There has to be some punishment.

What the leaker did was illegal, for sure. Everybody knows that. But I was asking you why you want the leaker to go to jail. Your first answer was because a crime was committed, and your second answer was that the leaker spoiled the game, the latter of which isn't against the law. Saying that there has to be some punishment is completely different from saying they should be locked up for what they did.

 

[OutOfBoose]

What the leaker did was illegal, for sure. Everybody knows that. But I was asking you why you want the leaker to go to jail. Your first answer was because a crime was committed, and your second answer was that the leaker spoiled the game, the latter of which isn't against the law. Saying that there has to be some punishment is completely different from saying they should be locked up for what they did.

People go to jail for stealing. Not sure what is here to argue. If there's court hearing, they will decide if it's worth jail time. Obviously spoiling the game isn't a crime, but it adds to my desire for punishment for people responsible.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

People go to jail for stealing. Not sure what is here to argue. If there's court hearing, they will decide if it's worth jail time. Obviously spoiling the game isn't a crime, but it adds to my desire for punishment for people responsible.

People go to jail for stealing but like I said earlier, theft is not always a crime punishable by imprisonment. The leaker didn't do it for profit, which is what usually the motive for thievery. Whether or not the court decides the crime committed was that serious of an offense is besides the point. The bolded is what I'm getting at. I asked you why you want them to get locked up, and part of your reason for it is because they spoiled the game for you.

 

[OutOfBoose]

People go to jail for stealing but like I said earlier, theft is not always a crime punishable by imprisonment. The leaker didn't do it for profit, which is what usually the motive for thievery. Whether or not the court decides the crime committed was that serious of an offense is besides the point. The bolded is what I'm getting at. I asked you why you want them to get locked up, and part of your reason for it is because they spoiled the game for you.

It's not beside the point. The damage is done. Every open comments section is ****-stained by idiots. Promotion of the game (and whatever plans ND and Sony had) is ruined. Communities are on lock-down. They didn't steal anything from me. But what's so puzzling for you? I don't get it. You want me to forget and forgive? I didn't even work on the game for 6-7 years with hardcore crunch every now and then.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's not beside the point. The damage is done. Every open comments section is ****-stained by idiots. Promotion of the game (and whatever plans ND and Sony had) is ruined. Communities are on lock-down. They didn't steal anything from me. But what's so puzzling for you? I don't get it. You want me to forget and forgive? I didn't even work on the game for 6-7 years with hardcore crunch every now and then.

It is besides the point, because I was asking you, why do you want them to get locked up. And part of your reasoning is because the game got spoiled. You want them behind bars because the game got spoiled. Having a comments section shxtstained or having the fan base in lockdown are both very first world problems, which means they are not problems at all that require real world aid.

I don't want you to forgive and forget. I don't want anything from you. I just think you are blowing this out of proportion by saying you want all of the leaker's freedom taken away for what they did.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Ugh, whatever. If they get jailed, I'll be happy. Tell about first world problems to people who worked on the game for 6 years. And to the company who invested into making of the game.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Ugh, whatever. If they get jailed, I'll be happy. Tell about first world problems to people who worked on the game for 6 years. And to the company who invested into making of the game.

Bolding again just to highlight the fact that you are being a zealot. Also, it's not like the ND staff who worked on the game for 6 years aren't going to get paid just because the game was leaked. They'll still get what they earned. 70% of the staff left after Uc4, so loyalty in ND's own work culture probably isn't a sentiment a lot of the staff still shares.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Bolding again just to highlight the fact that you are being a zealot. Also, it's not like the ND staff who worked on the game for 6 years aren't going to get paid just because the game was leaked. They'll still get what they earned. 70% of the staff left after Uc4, so loyalty in ND's own work culture probably isn't a sentiment a lot of the staff still shares.

And who are you for defending a crime?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

And who are you for defending a crime?

Did you miss where I said here that everybody knows that a crime was committed? I'm not defending anything, or anyone. I'm just pointing out that your demand for justice is over the top.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Did you miss where I said here that everybody knows that a crime was committed? I'm not defending anything, or anyone. I'm just pointing out that your demand for justice is over the top.

Over the top or not - the court will decide when it evaluates the damage done. I personally don't want similar **** to happen ever again. So the harder the punishment is, the better.

When WB blocks people for discussing leaked script of Dune, and the guy didn't actually release it for everyone to read - nobody panics. But when it's ND and Sony in light of a more severe deed - everyone loses their minds. And then I'll be listening to people telling me how I'm overreacting...

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Over the top or not - the court will decide when it evaluates the damage done.

Yeah man it is over the top, and once again, what the court decides is besides the point. The whole reason we are having this conversation is because I asked you why you personally want the leaker in prison.

edit: I understand what you're saying though, bringing up the court. You're saying it's possible the court will decide they belong in prison whether it's over the top or not. I don't know if the outcome of the case or even the ongoing trial is going to be public or not.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah man it is over the top, and once again, what the court decides is besides the point. The whole reason we are having this conversation is because I asked you why you personally want the leaker in prison.

For the n-th time... For the same reason people want criminals in jail even when they personally weren't victims of a crime. And in this case it affected everyone one way or another. Main damage was done to the devs and to the studio, which you dismiss as "not everyone is happy with ND anyway". The damage was also done to the communities, which isn't remotely as important, but it doesn't make it a non-issue. It is an issue. People wanted to experience the game as it was intended. Now for A LOT of people it's impossible. Dismiss it all you want, but I don't want to experience this leading up to any game in the future. Someone should get what they deserve.