Comics The last time May died and Peter was single

[Screenscribe]

I think Marvel needs to post a sign in the bullpen that reads. "Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it"

I seem to remember, just a short while ago that Aunt May died, knew Peter was Spider-Man, and Peter was single and not married to MJ. And we all know how that turned out.

I think the only way to fix what is wrong is to really sit down and plot a story that goes to the core of the problems and when they started. Which I feel was just before ASM #400. There is a way to tie all of the stuff together and make this work.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

No, they need to post a sign that says, "Joey: KILL YOURSELF!!"

 

[kguillou]

I think the problem with the writers is that they're trying too hard to revert Peter back to the old days and therefore preventing any further character growth. I mean for chris's sake, Aunt May should be dead, its time for her to pass on. Its time for Peter to become a man and act more maturely. Right now Peter should be married and raising his baby (whom we'll never see again). This would make great stories, Peter juggling his life as a father with his life as a superhero, I can picture SPidey swinging around town with his baby on a little web-napsack on his back. That would be amazing, but no, ever since the clone-saga ended, the writers have been spazing out trying to keep Peter young and relying on his aunt. Aunt may needs to pass away, peter needs his baby back, he needs to stay married to MJ, and he needs to grow up. That would fix spidey, but hell wut do i know? i dont write for marvel.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Excellent post kguillou. It's difficult to be an everyman when you're an unmarried thirty-something without a steady job.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

No, they need to post a sign that says, "Joey: KILL YOURSELF!!"

good one lol....kguill i totally agree

 

[kguillou]

thanks guys, i only speak the truth.

 

[littleredhat]

The truth is that the entire Marvel Universe has aged. Kitty Pryde is an adult the Gen X kids are young adults Franklin Richards is eight or possibly older.

You can't keep one guy young while the rest of his world ages around him. People would notice.

Peter Parker grew up. Get over it.

 

[arachnid-guy]

They should have did that the first time round.

NOT resurrect May.

*sigh*

 

[SpideyInATree]

I think Marvel needs to post a sign in the bullpen that reads. "Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it"

I seem to remember, just a short while ago that Aunt May died, knew Peter was Spider-Man, and Peter was single and not married to MJ. And we all know how that turned out.

I think the only way to fix what is wrong is to really sit down and plot a story that goes to the core of the problems and when they started. Which I feel was just before ASM #400. There is a way to tie all of the stuff together and make this work.

You have me confused here. Are you saying that around the time of Amazing Spider-Man # 400 that Peter wasn't married to Mary Jane?

Because Peter has been married to Mary Jane for a really long time in the comic book. Around the time of # 400 was the beginning of the Clone Saga and Peter Parker was VERY much married to Mary Jane. Christ, he knocked her up around that time as well.

Maybe I just read your post wrong but I got out of it that you were saying Peter was single during ASM # 400.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Peter can not have a child, not because of the age issue but because Peter is far to responible to risk that his child would not have a father.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Excellent point, MJD.

 

[kguillou]

That's a good point MJD, but then that would also mean that Peter wouldn't have married MJ for the risk that she wuld be a widow. He has to make risks, its part of life. Him having a child in his life would help him mature and possibly make him even more careful when he fights crime.

 

[Won '08]

You have me confused here. Are you saying that around the time of Amazing Spider-Man # 400 that Peter wasn't married to Mary Jane?

Because Peter has been married to Mary Jane for a really long time in the comic book. Around the time of # 400 was the beginning of the Clone Saga and Peter Parker was VERY much married to Mary Jane. Christ, he knocked her up around that time as well.

Maybe I just read your post wrong but I got out of it that you were saying Peter was single during ASM # 400.

Exactly. When "Aunt May" Died in ASM 400 Mary Jane and Peter were married. So I don't know what you guys are talking about. And the person who died wasn't Aunt May, meaning she didn't learn his secret....until later on anyway. During the first Morlun run.

 

[littleredhat]

Peter can not have a child, not because of the age issue but because Peter is far to responible to risk that his child would not have a father.

I don't know where to begin. For starters Peter already has a child. She is just in comic book limbo.

Secondly he has always wanted a normal life with a family. If he was as "responsible" as you say he would never have any friends or love interests. He would just be Spider-Man 24/7 only becoming Peter Parker to earn money.

Peter Parker jumped for joy when he learned he was going to be a father. You obviously are confusing him with someone else.

 

[Rez]

Exactly. When "Aunt May" Died in ASM 400 Mary Jane and Peter were married. So I don't know what you guys are talking about. And the person who died wasn't Aunt May, meaning she didn't learn his secret....until later on anyway. During the first Morlun run.

You guys are smoking crack. All he was saying was that the last time they killed aunt may and broke up Peter and MJ, nothing good came of it.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

You guys are smoking crack. All he was saying was that the last time they killed aunt may and broke up Peter and MJ, nothing good came of it.

But.. he's wrong, Aunt May died in ASM 400 and MJ left Peter just prior to ASM v2 30(When Aunt May had been alive for about 2 years)
A 6 year difference between events

And MJ leaving Peter lead to all of that Morlun/Shathra/Ezekial stuff that everyone liked

So this is just a confusing thread right here

 

[SpideyInATree]

Ok, so I'm not the only one confused on this one. I thought maybe I was just reading too much into it.

 

[Rez]

He was lumping together the entire period. And while I'd disagree, he has his right to an opinion. May led to May's crappy ressurection, and MJ "dying" was just a big steaming pile of ****, except that issue with Carnage in which she first died was pretty damn cool.

 

[Screenscribe]

What I meant was at #400 is when Spidey went down hill. Aunt May already died. Then We had Peter Parker who was not married to MJ he was single (albeit a clone). But it didn't work before. It won't work now. And as for aging... Peter has to be at least 40. If (according to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man) "little" Normie Osborn is 13 years old (that how old he looks anyway) and Peter and Harry are close to the same age... Liz and Harry married well after High School while they were in their "mid-20's" (lets say 24) then Peter, Harry and Liz are 37. and this makes Aunt May pushing 90 (if she was in her 60's when Peter was in high school).

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Ok, so I'm not the only one confused on this one. I thought maybe I was just reading too much into it.

The way I saw it was like this:

He used the death of Aunt May and Peter being single as an (admittedly faulty) example.

He wasn't saying Pete and MJ were apart for ASM #400, simply that the writers needed to sit and figure out where the "problems" for Spider-Man originated, and that it was - in his opinion - ASM #400.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

You forgot the time MJ was "dead", Kaine.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

But it didn't work before. It won't work now.

Now, I don't want to sound like I'm FOR the destruction of the marriage, but I do think your argument is faulty here.

Why didn't it work? Well, you said yourself - at the time you're referring to, the "fake" (at the time) Peter Parker was out of the picture and the "real" Peter Parker (Ben Reilly) had returned from limbo to reclaim his life. So, naturally, since "Clone" Peter was married to MJ, MJ left with Peter, while Ben was left to be crazy and single on his own.

But, see, with all of the hullaballo of the Clone Saga, sales went down the toilet (eventually). In the end, a good majority of fans disliked the notion of replacing Peter, so they brought him back (MJ in tow).

It wasn't REALLY Peter who was single during that time period - it was Ben (who, at the time, WAS Peter, but I digress). You can't really use that as an argument, because the experiment failed not because fans disliked Peter being single, but because they disliked a married Peter being told he was a clone and replaced by a relatively new character who was supposed to be the original.

Even Peter's seperation from MJ (post stalker) wasn't really all that significant, as there was this feeling that she'd be back. It's not like Peter was out on dates all the time while they were seperated - most of the time, Peter was trying to figure out how to get MJ back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've never really seen a "single" Peter since sometime in the 80's. We've seen married Peter, widowed Peter, and seperated Peter - never single Peter.

I'm not saying that I'm for the end of the marriage - I'm just suggesting that there's no way to use previous storylines to determine whether or not a move like that would be successful or not.

 

[SpideyInATree]

What I meant was at #400 is when Spidey went down hill. Aunt May already died. Then We had Peter Parker who was not married to MJ he was single (albeit a clone). But it didn't work before. It won't work now. And as for aging... Peter has to be at least 40. If (according to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man) "little" Normie Osborn is 13 years old (that how old he looks anyway) and Peter and Harry are close to the same age... Liz and Harry married well after High School while they were in their "mid-20's" (lets say 24) then Peter, Harry and Liz are 37. and this makes Aunt May pushing 90 (if she was in her 60's when Peter was in high school).

Well, that puts it a lot better. But I still don't really see what you are getting at with that time period. Yeah, Aunt May died...which was one of the most awesome Spider-Man issues. And then Ben Reilly came into the picture. But Peter Parker and Mary Jane were still together. Maybe it's because I'm such a fan of the clone saga but I always was able to separate between Peter Parker and Ben Reilly...whether one was real or not wasn't really the point. They were still basically the same guy just took different paths.

That period...Peter and Mary Jane were together still. Ben Reilly is his own person and world.

 

[vegeta21]

Personally, I think May should have stayed dead. Added a sense of realism during an off the wall unrealistic story-arc. But now that she's back, she's best to stay alive.

 

[TheFlyinRussian]

At this point I'd like to see May die and Peter and MJ have a child. They've done all they could with Aunt May to this point, and she's seemed pretty one dimensional for a while now. It sucks that the writer's had to be so gutless back then. Aunt May has died! Oh wait, that was just an actress hired by Norman Osborn. MJ is pregnant! Oh no the baby dies. Peter's clone lived and is now revealed to be the original and will now take over as Spider-man! Oh wait, he WAS the clone all along and he won't take over because he gets impaled by a goblin glider. Keep readers emptying their pockets by writing big events that will change the comic forever, then do a 180, say it didn't actually happen and go back to writing the same generic storylines over and over.