Comics Question about Peter and Gwen's relationship?

[X Knight]

hey all,

I had a question about Peter and Gwen Stacey's relationship in the comics.

I know that Gwen was Peter's first true love, before MJ.

Did the comics ever establish that Peter and Gwen actually slept together when they were a couple?

Or, was Peter still a virgin when he married MJ?

i was just curious, cuz I remembered there was a recent story arc where Gwen was pregnant, but it was Norman's kids, not peter's.

thanks....

 

[ragingdemon155]

Peter and Gwen never slept together. That's already been confirmed in ASM. So fans might jump in here and say this and that...but the bottom line is that it's already been confirmed.

To me, the first girl Peter did the naughty with was Black Cat. Heh, not a bad first choice either It's also been confirmed that these two were having "plenty" of sex along with the crimefighting. So to answer your question..Peter was not a virgin when he got married.

 

[X Knight]

ok.....thanks......here's another question.

Has Peter ever cheated on MJ ( with Black Cat, for example ), both while they were dating and then while they were married?

 

[Dragon]

Peter and Gwen never slept together. That's already been confirmed in ASM. So fans might jump in here and say this and that...but the bottom line is that it's already been confirmed.

To me, the first girl Peter did the naughty with was Black Cat. Heh, not a bad first choice either It's also been confirmed that these two were having "plenty" of sex along with the crimefighting. So to answer your question..Peter was not a virgin when he got married.

First off, ASM confirmed nothing. Sins Past is so reviled by fandom, that at this point nothing mentioned therein is to be taken seriously.

Second- It's obvious that Peter and Gwen, Peter and MJ for all practical intents and purposes did sleep together. Again- if you use Sins Past as the yardstick, then you have to accept that JMS was working under the rpemise of Peter and Gwen having children. He only altered it because Joe Q nixed Peyter having children. Okay. But that doesn't mean he didn't have sex with Gwen.

There's no way- NO WAY- that practical Peter Parker's first sexual relationship was Black Cat, a nutjob with shakey morals who called him "Spider" and only loved his superhero persona. How ridiculous.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

Peter has "sex" with MJ for the first time in ASM 149, that one is almost near certain, if not Gwen, that most definatly Mary Jane. However the whole "Gwen not sleeping with Peter" was the product of an extremely illconcieved plot, which will undoubtably be retconned back to the hell it came from in a few years time.

But, to the contrary of ASM 512, there have been a lot of references to Peter and Gwen's romantic life in other sources that do indicate an intimate relationship(IE. Spider-Man: Blue, The Kiss) between the two, so take the whole "I was thinking of proposing to this girl and giving up my powers for her, yet we've never actually done it" with a grain of salt.

 

[ragingdemon155]

ok.....thanks......here's another question.

Has Peter ever cheated on MJ ( with Black Cat, for example ), both while they were dating and then while they were married?

No. Peter has never cheated on MJ.

And with as many girls that have thrown themselves at him since he's been married (Black Cat included time and time again)..thats gotta be some serious self control...

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

No. Peter has never cheated on MJ.

And with as many girls that have thrown themselves at him since he's been married (Black Cat included time and time again)..thats gotta be some serious self control...

Peter never has

MJ came pretty close though...

 

[X Knight]

ok....thanks......although a bit confusing regarding Peter and Gwen.....

Is Gwen still dead, though?

 

[ragingdemon155]

ok....thanks......although a bit confusing regarding Peter and Gwen.....

Is Gwen still dead, though?

Yes she is.

 

[Themanofbat]

Basically, he either slept with Gwen after the end of ASM #99, or he slept with MJ at the end of ASM #149.

There are plenty of pros and cons for both arguments, but back in the 80's, many Marvel writers believed that it was with MJ at the end of #149, if you believe a Peter David interview at the time.

But it was one or the other... there's NO WAY the Black Cat even enters this equation.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Basically, he either slept with Gwen after the end of ASM #99, or he slept with MJ at the end of ASM #149.

There are plenty of pros and cons for both arguments, but back in the 80's, many Marvel writers believed that it was with MJ at the end of #149, if you believe a Peter David interview at the time.

But it was one or the other... there's NO WAY the Black Cat even enters this equation.

Enters this equation in what sense? As the "first" or as "not at all"? I don't think anyone would actually say that Peter and Felicia weren't shagging it up back then. Peter...while he is an amazing guy with a heart of gold...is still just that..a guy. Why wouldn't Felicia be his first? I'm not saying for sure that she was but Marvel has never confirmed this at all. It's all fan speculation as to who his first was. There is no definite answer because Peter has never come out and said "Yes, I slept with her first or her first".

Marvel has stated that Gwen and Peter never slept together REGARDLESS of how bad the story was.

 

[Dragon]

Enters this equation in what sense? As the "first" or as "not at all"? I don't think anyone would actually say that Peter and Felicia weren't shagging it up back then. Peter...while he is an amazing guy with a heart of gold...is still just that..a guy. Why wouldn't Felicia be his first? I'm not saying for sure that she was but Marvel has never confirmed this at all. It's all fan speculation as to who his first was. There is no definite answer because Peter has never come out and said "Yes, I slept with her first or her first".

Marvel has stated that Gwen and Peter never slept together REGARDLESS of how bad the story was.

Dude- the original POINT of the story was Peter and Gwen sleeping together.

And who's "Marvel"? Different writers, editors would be of differing opinions. Guys like JMS and Jeph Loeb believe they did sleep together, and relfected that in their work.

What always gets me is why some people figures its taboo for Peter and Gwen to have had sex. At least its sexbetween two people who really loved each other rather than some cheap fling.

 

[Abaddon]

Dude- the original POINT of the story was Peter and Gwen sleeping together.

And who's "Marvel"? Different writers, editors would be of differing opinions. Guys like JMS and Jeph Loeb believe they did sleep together, and relfected that in their work.

What always gets me is why some people figures its taboo for Peter and Gwen to have had sex. At least its sexbetween two people who really loved each other rather than some cheap fling.

I think for some people it makes the story more tragic if they'd never consummated their relationship.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Dude- the original POINT of the story was Peter and Gwen sleeping together.

And who's "Marvel"? Different writers, editors would be of differing opinions. Guys like JMS and Jeph Loeb believe they did sleep together, and relfected that in their work.

What always gets me is why some people figures its taboo for Peter and Gwen to have had sex. At least its sexbetween two people who really loved each other rather than some cheap fling.

Relax man...I never said it was taboo. It doesn't affect me in the least bit who Peter is sleeping with or not. All I'm saying is that in "Sins Past" Peter says "We never even..." (Or something to that extent) when talking to MJ about Gwen. We can pretty much finish that sentence for him. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Dragon]

I think for some people it makes the story more tragic if they'd never consummated their relationship.

Why would that be? It's worse if they'd been that close to each other then lost one another than if they'd never had sex at all. In fact it makes their relationship all the more juvenile, in that they were unwilling to make that type of commitment to each other.

 

[Themanofbat]

Enters this equation in what sense? As the "first" or as "not at all"? I don't think anyone would actually say that Peter and Felicia weren't shagging it up back then. Peter...while he is an amazing guy with a heart of gold...is still just that..a guy. Why wouldn't Felicia be his first? I'm not saying for sure that she was but Marvel has never confirmed this at all. It's all fan speculation as to who his first was. There is no definite answer because Peter has never come out and said "Yes, I slept with her first or her first".

Marvel has stated that Gwen and Peter never slept together REGARDLESS of how bad the story was.

I meant as his "first".

Peter lost his virginity to either Gwen or MJ, depending on how you feel about the situation.

If you want to think otherwise, that's your opinion and it's cool with me.

 

[Dragon]

Relax man...I never said it was taboo. It doesn't affect me in the least bit who Peter is sleeping with or not. All I'm saying is that in "Sins Past" Peter says "We never even..." (Or something to that extent) when talking to MJ about Gwen. We can pretty much finish that sentence for him. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah- but you know the reason for that line (and it was "We Never.."). Which was to remove all possibility of the children being anyone other than Osborn's (I gagged as I typed that). But again. looking at the characters, it's unlikey that they wouldn't have slept together, and again- even JMS thought it made sense which was the entire basis of Sins Past.

 

[Abaddon]

Why would that be? It's worse if they'd been that close to each other then lost one another than if they'd never had sex at all. In fact it makes their relationship all the more juvenile, in that they were unwilling to make that type of commitment to each other.

Well, I don't mean it in the sense that they weren't willing to take that step, but that they never got around to it. I don't think it makes much of a difference either way.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Yeah- but you know the reason for that line (and it was "We Never.."). Which was to remove all possibility of the children being anyone other than Osborn's (I gagged as I typed that). But again. looking at the characters, it's unlikey that they wouldn't have slept together, and again- even JMS thought it made sense which was the entire basis of Sins Past.

Fair enough.

I hate the idea of kids in the first place. I mean just kids in general coming out of that storyline. The funny thing is, it was a horrible idea with amazing dialogue. Go figure. That pretty much sums up the entire run of JMS. Great dialogue, awful ideas.

Anyway, heh....I gagged just seeing you type that. I will never except that Norman slept with Gwen. As a comic fan I guess we all have the right to "ignore" what we view as crap. It's what I do with "The Other" and "Sins Past". I just ignore those stories like they never took place...especially the Other.

This whole debate about "Who" Peter slept with..can go on forever until its actually confirmed. Every fan is going to have there own personal opinion...whether it be Felicia, Gwen or MJ.

 

[Captivated]

Basically, he either slept with Gwen after the end of ASM #99, or he slept with MJ at the end of ASM #149.

There are plenty of pros and cons for both arguments, but back in the 80's, many Marvel writers believed that it was with MJ at the end of #149, if you believe a Peter David interview at the time.

But it was one or the other... there's NO WAY the Black Cat even enters this equation.

I have to agree with his first being MJ... but BEFORE they were married. However, I don't think it took place in #149. Because, the next issue begins an HOUR later and Peter was already back home fretting about something else. So was THAT their "first time?" Umm... come on, think logically... no way.

But even disregarding Peter's declaration in the "Sins Past" story that he and Gwen "never..." I think there is more written originally to suggest they DIDN'T than implies they DID.

The Black Cat came well after his first involvement with MJ and that would mean our boy has only known two women in the Biblical sense.

 

[Dragon]

I have to agree with his first being MJ... but BEFORE they were married. However, I don't think it took place in #149. Because, the next issue begins an HOUR later and Peter was already back home fretting about something else. So was THAT their "first time?" Umm... come on, think logically... no way.

That had to be their first time. If you read the subsequent issues prior to MJ's refusal of Peter's proposal, their realtionship was gradually becoming less passionate. Just prior to the proposal, they act more like friends than lovers.

But going back to your point- that ASM #150 mentions "an hour ago" doesn't mean they were only together for an hour. Only that it's been an hour since the parted. They could have been together for 10 hours before leaving each other.

But even disregarding Peter's declaration in the "Sins Past" story that he and Gwen "never..." I think there is more written originally to suggest they DIDN'T than implies they DID.

Like what? Peter & Gwen's relationship was far more passionate than Peter & MJ's first go round. They were both always talking about how much they needed to be with each other. You don't have that kind of surge and not end up in bed. Unless you're committed to abstaining till marriage, which neither of them were.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

Plus Peter bagged Betty Brant in ASM 194 or Dazzler in 203 so Felicia is a long ways off, on the Vcard list

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Does anyone else find it odd that you are discussing a comic book character's sexual history?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Does anyone else find it odd that you are discussing a comic book character's sexual history?

Better than our own

 

[spiderwasp]

I'm glad someone mentioned the Betty Brant thing because I also remember that, even though I couldn't remember what issue. It was long after they had broken up and they got back together for one issue, but it was before the Black Cat, I think. It would still have likely been after MJ, but I think Pete has been with more than just two. Also it's very possible he slept with Deb Whitman. Although I think it's unrealistic, I think ASM has given us evidence he never slept with Gwen. Not that I'm saying two college kids can't decide to wait till marriage, but I find it highly unlikely that Gwen wouldn't sleep with the guy she loved because she was such a nice girl and was saving herself, but would do it with his best friend's father.