The Libertarian Thread

[BlackLantern]

Maybe you should have thought about that before you wasted your vote on him.

ding ding ding....we have a winner

 

[Darthphere]

So why are we still talking about this guy at all?

 

[Malice]

personally I think he has some cool ideas, and then he has some ideas that are in left field. Ron Paul presents himself as a quack to me.
I fully expect him to be wearing his aluminum foil hat sometimes...

Like I said, though, he really does have some really good ideas...those I dont see right, to me, are REALLY wrong

 

[AllThingsComic]

Such as Malice?

 

[AllThingsComic]

Maybe you should have thought about that before you wasted your vote on him.

The only wasted vote is the one that isn't placed. Other than that, there is no wasted vote if you believe in the candidate.

 

[Darthphere]

Such as Malice?

Why are you so confrontational? Then you ask why people complain about Paul supporters so much. I have never met a group of political supporters as confrontational and in your face as Ron Paul supporters.

 

[AllThingsComic]

Confrontational???? He made a statement and I was just curious as to what they were? I love how this all goes down, I ask a question and i'm confrontational, wow.

 

[Darthphere]

Confrontational???? He made a statement and I was just curious as to what they were? I love how this all goes down, I ask a question and i'm confrontational, wow.

You should really just step back and read all your responses in every thread that even mentions Ron Paul.

 

[Malice]

I havent followed this conversation to much, but people picked on Zero_Vault for voting for Ron Paul.

I applaud him. I will NEVER criticize a person for voting who they believe can do that job. Good job Zero.

*Clap*

Why have I been brought into this? I voice my opinions...some a little off the wall, but none are generally disrespectful, granted the aluminum hat comment is probably the worse I have ever stated...

Someone explain.

 

[AllThingsComic]

I don't need to, Malice said some of his ideas are really wrong and I was just wondering which ones? Maybe Malice has seen something I didn't and can shed some light for me. I am open to new thoughts, unlike the people who say I am not voting for Paul because someone said he's a nut job.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't need to, Malice said some of his ideas are really wrong and I was just wondering which ones? Maybe Malice has seen something I didn't and can shed some light for me. I am open to new thoughts, unlike the people who say I am not voting for Paul because someone said he's a nut job.

You're really not. Anytime someone brings up something negative or at least something they think is negative) about Ron Paul, you brush it off with some lame retort. I mean, you were defending the racist content of his newsletter earlier. Seriously.

 

[Malice]

I don't need to, Malice said some of his ideas are really wrong and I was just wondering which ones? Maybe Malice has seen something I didn't and can shed some light for me. I am open to new thoughts, unlike the people who say I am not voting for Paul because someone said he's a nut job.

I will be honest...
I cant remember, its early in the day...
I think some of his views of, lets just entirely pull out of Iraq...at this point, that would be just dumb...put the middle east into more chaos than it is now.
I agree, there is a point when we should be able to pull out, but not yet..

If I think of something I will post it.

 

[AllThingsComic]

Seriously? Is that all you have is that dumbass newsletter? Yeah, I am open to new thoughts, I am capable listening to others and seeing thier take on a subject matter. Don't try and play me like i'm some kind of narrow minded idiot. I have listened to all candidates and Ron Paul is the one saying the things I want to hear. Plain and simple.

 

[Darthphere]

Seriously? Is that all you have is that dumbass newsletter? Yeah, I am open to new thoughts, I am capable listening to others and seeing thier take on a subject matter. Don't try and play me like i'm some kind of narrow minded idiot. I have listened to all candidates and Ron Paul is the one saying the things I want to hear. Plain and simple.

Very open minded of you, thank you for essentially proving my point.

 

[AllThingsComic]

Let's just agree to disagree, have a nice day.

 

[BlackLantern]

You're really not. Anytime someone brings up something negative or at least something they think is negative) about Ron Paul, you brush it off with some lame retort. I mean, you were defending the racist content of his newsletter earlier. Seriously.

I believe as long as a man votes it counts.....if you dont vote you dont get to complain. but as a black man, how am i supposed to dismiss those newsletters and support Ron....?? I understand he probably did not write them, but his name is attached to them

 

[AllThingsComic]

I believe as long as a man votes it counts.....if you dont vote you dont get to complain. but as a black man, how am i supposed to dismiss those newsletters and support Ron....?? I understand he probably did not write them, but his name is attached to them

I completely understand your concern as a hispanic male. I forget which interview it was (I believe it was with Wolf Blitzer on CNN) where he spoke on this. I'm not going to give you the whole back story of the interview, but I believe, and this is just my opinion, that he explained it well and gave counter measures as to why that is the complete opposite of his nature.

 

[BlackLantern]

I completely understand your concern as a hispanic male. I forget which interview it was (I believe it was with Wolf Blitzer on CNN) where he spoke on this. I'm not going to give you the whole back story of the interview, but I believe, and this is just my opinion, that he explained it well and gave counter measures as to why that is the complete opposite of his nature.

Interviews on CNN are softball fests, but that is a whole other thread. He could have given the most rational explanation ever and I still wouldnt have bought it. It just bothers me that we claim to be this advanced, civil society yet we depict different races in such horrid ways

 

[Lobster Charlie]

The newsletters were already refuted by both Ron Paul and people close to him. Heck, the leader of the Austin chapter of the NAACP went on radio and said that he's known Ron Paul for over 20 years, and swears he isn't a racist.

See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvFLSwDvBUA

http://www.redpills.org/?p=747

Did you also know that Gaywired.com supports Ron Paul?

http://gays-for-ron.blogspot.com/

And, for being so "racist," it's awfully strange that there are some black folks that continue to support him:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k3z8nVaMkuw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8TJ9ZITd2rs


Of course, the choice is always our own. I find it funny that the newsletters were breaking news, but not when people close to Ron (especially those of the ethnic background he supposedly disparaged) came to his defense, the news was nowhere to be found.

It's pretty obvious to me that since the get-go, the mainstream media has done everything they can to block his message from reaching the public.

 

[BlackLantern]

I dont know if there is some far reaching conspiracy to blackout Ron Paul, but IMO most media outlets...much like MOST of the american public know that Ron Paul has never,, nor will ever be considered a serious candidate.....I asked 10 of my coworkers , just average people, who Ron Paul was...3 of them had heard the name and only one actually knew he was running for President....the other 7 looked at me and said "who???"

 

[Lobster Charlie]

The average person gets most of their information from the mainstream media. It's not surprising to hear those folks didn't know who he is.

The mainstream media is already filtered and refined to present to you a message that corporations and the powers-that-be *want* you to see. The internet is an unfiltered news source, where we find things we'd *never* see on television or in our newspapers.

 

[BlackLantern]

yes because the internet is a bastion of truth and journalistic integrity......and porn

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Nobody said that--but are you suggesting that the mainstream media has your best interests in mind? At least with the internet I can get *all* news sources--mainstream, fringe, international, what have you.

Take a look at who's running the show, and then ask yourself "Who benefits?" from you accepting what they say, unquestionably.

 

[Matt]

The average person gets most of their information from the mainstream media. It's not surprising to hear those folks didn't know who he is.

The mainstream media is already filtered and refined to present to you a message that corporations and the powers-that-be *want* you to see. The internet is an unfiltered news source, where we find things we'd *never* see on television or in our newspapers.

And the average person now has access to the internet 24/7. People know who Ron Paul is. People know what he stands for. They just didn't vote for him. You guys are playing up this "ignorance of the masses due to the media" card way too much as an excuse for Paul losing. The fact is, his message just didn't click with middle America.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

I'm responding to what Black Lantern said--that people he knows never even heard of Ron Paul. A lot of folks at my job never heard of him, either--and they also have internet access 24/7. What do you think the average person is browsing on the web? I get the feeling that most of the time it's what they already know---the web equivalents of MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, etc. I still know folks that use AOL for all of their news!

And for the record, I haven't made any excuses for anything. My point is that the mainstream media isn't always the best news source.