The Libertarian Thread

[BlackLantern]

I have a gut feeling they are real....I was fairly neutral about Ron Paul, had some ideas that were a little out there, but I knew the Party would never take him seriously and he would be the Jester candidate....but now, its only a matter of time before he withdraws IMO......probably during the summer time I'd guess

 

[bell110]

People like him don't believe what they are saying is actually wrong....thats the big problem

What's that supposed to mean

Seriously, those aren't his words.

 

[SuBe]

He doesn't want to legalize them, per se, he just wants to decriminalize them-- or at least that's what he said at a rally a few months ago. I'm not sure which drugs he wants to decriminalize specifically, other than marijuana.

That is correct, Decriminalization of Illecit Drugs to reign in the High, High cost of the "War on Drugs". Reformat the system so addicts get Rehab instead of Madatory Sentences. Libertarians Do Not believe in Victimless Crime.

 

[bell110]

I have a gut feeling they are real....I was fairly neutral about Ron Paul, had some ideas that were a little out there, but I knew the Party would never take him seriously and he would be the Jester candidate....but now, its only a matter of time before he withdraws IMO......probably during the summer time I'd guess

I disagree. A little thing like this shouldn't stop him. He's too passionate. I believe he'll be the Libertarian candidate after he looses the Republican primaries.

 

[BlackLantern]

What's that supposed to mean

Seriously, those aren't his words.

maybe they are and maybe they aren't...but they are in his newsletter and could be and probably are his ideas. "People like him" means that there are people out there who believe minorities are inferior simply because they are a different color, that gays are inferior because of their lifestyle.......that the white man is superior to all....so IMO anyone who has sent him money or is supporting him is wasting their vote

 

[AllThingsComic]

Dr. Paul said this would happen as he starts to gain more support. The other candidates are starting to worry about him, so now all the smearing starts. It's so typical. The man served his country, delivered babies of all races, warned us what would happen if we went into this war through the back door. So the worst these morons can come up with is a newsletter not even written by him, please.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I disagree. A little thing like this shouldn't stop him. He's too passionate. I believe he'll be the Libertarian candidate after he looses the Republican primaries.

That's what I'm hoping actually. I don't think he'll go quietly and we need a viable third party in this country. Him running Libertarian is a step in that direction and it'll create a bigger impact than say Nader as the front man for the Green party IMO.

 

[BlackLantern]

yes Ron Paul may be the darling of the internets...but if you just ask the general voting public who he is......no one ****ing has any clue he even exists. I really had no clue about the man untill just recently...I just have a gut feeling that he is connected to this....I bear no malice towards the man, but if this is true then he doesnt deserve any support from anyone whatsoever

 

[CorpusBlack]

maybe they are and maybe they aren't...but they are in his newsletter and could be and probably are his ideas. "People like him" means that there are people out there who believe minorities are inferior simply because they are a different color, that gays are inferior because of their lifestyle.......that the white man is superior to all....so IMO anyone who has sent him money or is supporting him is wasting their vote

How is it a waste of a vote if it's "probably his ideas" and not actually proven without a shadow of a doubt? And if those people feel the same way, as what is implied in that article, then I'm sure they're glad their money went to him. However race and gay rights aren't even factors within a Libertarian system. That's why I find it hard to believe that he would've expressed himself in that way.

 

[BlackLantern]

Proof or not, my gut tells me that those are genuine....and in most cases its good enough for me....I'm not going to vote for someone who isnt a factor...and he isnt and never will be....we actually have a pool at the office set up for his withdrawal from the race....I have the 3rd week in August...

 

[CorpusBlack]

Proof or not, my gut tells me that those are genuine....and in most cases its good enough for me....I'm not going to vote for someone who isnt a factor...and he isnt and never will be....we actually have a pool at the office set up for his withdrawal from the race....I have the 3rd week in August...

And that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Personally, I don't know who the hell I'm going to support at this point. They all p-ss me off to some degree.

Does the pool include an option for him running Libertarian?

 

[BlackLantern]

And that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Personally, I don't know who the hell I'm going to support at this point. They all p-ss me off to some degree.

Does the pool include an option for him running Libertarian?

no...we set the pool when one of the guys found the story about the newsletters......later on yesterday afternoon everyone involved tossed in a dollar on a week where they thought he would withdraw.....the way the system is set up, we are basically told WHO to vote for with both partys national conventions.....I cant even remember if a candidate, not nominated by a party, won an election. Ron Paul is a court jester, he'll make for some good laughs and thats about it.....

 

[bell110]

maybe they are and maybe they aren't...but they are in his newsletter and could be and probably are his ideas. "People like him" means that there are people out there who believe minorities are inferior simply because they are a different color, that gays are inferior because of their lifestyle.......that the white man is superior to all....so IMO anyone who has sent him money or is supporting him is wasting their vote

I could forge any type of document and put anyones name on it. I need to see more proof that it's real. Remember the forged document that someone made about Bush that turned out wrong?

yes Ron Paul may be the darling of the internets...but if you just ask the general voting public who he is......no one ****ing has any clue he even exists. I really had no clue about the man untill just recently...I just have a gut feeling that he is connected to this....I bear no malice towards the man, but if this is true then he doesnt deserve any support from anyone whatsoever

Proof or not, my gut tells me that those are genuine....and in most cases its good enough for me....I'm not going to vote for someone who isnt a factor...and he isnt and never will be....we actually have a pool at the office set up for his withdrawal from the race....I have the 3rd week in August...

Come on, your gut feeling is good enough? You even said you know nothing about the man. How can you make a judgement about him?

He may not win, but I'm voting for him regardless.

 

[bell110]

That's what I'm hoping actually. I don't think he'll go quietly and we need a viable third party in this country. Him running Libertarian is a step in that direction and it'll create a bigger impact than say Nader as the front man for the Green party IMO.

He started his political career as a libertarian I believe. Now that alot of people know about him, if he goes for the libertarian candidate, it will draw attention to the party.

 

[CorpusBlack]

He started his political career as a libertarian I believe. Now that alot of people know about him, if he goes for the libertarian candidate, it will draw attention to the party.

Considering I'm slowly moving towards Libertarian myself, this is a good thing IMO. However, I still haven't made my opinion up between all the secondary parties. Im just like what I've read about the Libertarians so far and they've peaked my interest the most. I'm done with the Rep/Dem bullsh-t.

 

[bell110]

Considering I'm slowly moving towards Libertarian myself, this is a good thing IMO. However, I still haven't made my opinion up between all the secondary parties. Im just like what I've read about the Libertarians so far and they've peaked my interest the most. I'm done with the Rep/Dem bullsh-t.

Good for you. If more people actually looked into third parties, instead of pigeon-holeing themselves into either a Rep or Dem, we might have some honest politicans and not so many disenfranchised voters.

 

[AllThingsComic]

no...we set the pool when one of the guys found the story about the newsletters......later on yesterday afternoon everyone involved tossed in a dollar on a week where they thought he would withdraw.....the way the system is set up, we are basically told WHO to vote for with both partys national conventions.....I cant even remember if a candidate, not nominated by a party, won an election. Ron Paul is a court jester, he'll make for some good laughs and thats about it.....

I truly feel bad that you think someone who makes such actual common sense is considered comical to you. What exactly does he say that would make you laugh? That we are in a war that the gov't, not the people chose to fight and that our Soldiers are dying for a war that we should have never been in in the first place? I don't see what's so comical about that or that he wants to give Americans thier liberty back and to have a gov't that is for the people and not for corporate America. I just for the life of me can't see why the rest of America isn't psyched for Ron Paul. He is the common man we have been waiting over 20 years for.

 

[Darthphere]

Also, they resurrected some old stormfront thread up in community and I noticed an alarming amount of those cats have Ron Paul banners as their sigs.

That probably has to do more with the fact that he wants to close the border and kick all them damn illegals out.

 

[BlackLantern]

I truly feel bad that you think someone who makes such actual common sense is considered comical to you. What exactly does he say that would make you laugh? That we are in a war that the gov't, not the people chose to fight and that our Soldiers are dying for a war that we should have never been in in the first place? I don't see what's so comical about that or that he wants to give Americans thier liberty back and to have a gov't that is for the people and not for corporate America. I just for the life of me can't see why the rest of America isn't psyched for Ron Paul. He is the common man we have been waiting over 20 years for.

He also seems to be an isolationist....and according to those newsletters, a racist as well....I dont think Id want him as President. In todays climate, both economically and diplomatically, we cant be an isolationist country....we need a President who wants to improve our image in the global community. As far as the war....the US would have to have invaded there eventually....if not now...maybe 10 or 15 years from now when Saddam decided to test more chemical weapons on his people....

 

[AllThingsComic]

I honestly think right now the reasons we are hated throughout the world IS because we interfere to much. Maybe a little isolation is exactly what this country needs right now to build itself back to the status we used to be, besides, Ron Paul doesn't want to totally cut off ties with other countries, but believes in negotatiationing diplomatically and a FAIR trade. As far as the newsletter goes, he's already brought to light that those are not his words and it was his fault for not reading the newsletter in it's entirety. You still have not given a reason for him being a jester and a joke and you have not mentioned any of the points that I brought up in my reply.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm an american...I have a job, a home, my liberty is just fine....its that propaganda from the left that is really hurting people....i am actually better off today than i was 5 years ag0

 

[AllThingsComic]

Ok You're fine now, what about 5 years from now, it's already known that we are in the beginings of a recession. The dollar now is very weak compared to other currencies and what's gonna happen when China and the Saudis stop lending us money to fight this despicable war, guess who's pockets thier gonna tap then. Just for the record, i'm a republican, not a neo-con and not a leftist, i'm a realist.

 

[AllThingsComic]

One more thing, what's gonna happen when it comes time to pay back China and the Saudis, and we don't have the money? Now we have to fund a war and pay an even bigger debt then we already have.

 

[cookiva]

Good for you. If more people actually looked into third parties, instead of pigeon-holeing themselves into either a Rep or Dem, we might have some honest politicans and not so many disenfranchised voters.

What if you truely believe in either of those parties? Its not their fault.

 

[SuBe]

I'm an american...I have a job, a home, my liberty is just fine....its that propaganda from the left that is really hurting people....i am actually better off today than i was 5 years ag0

Everybody is, most people don't realize it.