The Libertarian Thread

[BlackLantern]

IMO McCain will be winning....america is not progressive enough to put a woman or a minority in office

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thanks for letting us watch you talk yourself into supporting McCain even though he basically goes against so many of your principles.

jag

I should also add that I hate Romney, Obama, and Clinton. And I grew very uncomfortable with Huckabee after his Bible and Constitution comments.

 

[jaguarr]

I should also add that I hate Romney, Obama, and Clinton. And I grew very uncomfortable with Huckabee after his Bible and Constitution comments.

At this point, McCain has become Bush Light. Not my favorite brew, to be honest.

jag

 

[kane9321]

Thanks for letting us watch you talk yourself into supporting McCain even though he basically goes against so many of your principles.

jag

pretty much

 

[bell110]

But how is he going to win, when no one knows who he is?

He's the most honest, kindest, open hearted man. I could just see from the look in his eyes, and the way he interact with other folks, so I voted for him.

Unlike Romney, Huckabee, Mccain, Obama, or Clinton.

You are a god among men.

What are you saying?

Isn't that what normal American citizens want?

NO TAX. Less government meddling in our affairs, and foreign countries?

Also, Paul clearly said our own policies is what caused 9-11, and over 90% of SHH members believes this, including me.

That's probably what most Americans want, they'd just rather ***** about things than actually do something about it.

The normal American citizen doesn't understand domestic and foreign politics and the economy well enough to understand it, or know what it needs. A lot of what "they" want things, ultimately, would be very bad for this country as a whole

...And thank God SHH isn't in charge of this country.

The same could be said about normal American politicians.

While many Ron Paul supporters like to claim the "no one knows him" card - I don't think this is incredibly accurate.

Much of the VOTING public knows him. Most simply think he is a loon - especially among Republicans.

That being said I have a very soft spot for Ron Paul.

Unfortunatly, that's true. I do know a couple of people who don't vote, then they found out about Paul, they actually thought about voting just because of him

Much of the voting public just want the status quo. They'll vote party lines and would rather "vote for the devil you know than the devil you don't."

As I said, I know that he heavily supports the Iraq War, but I feel that McCain can at least bring success in Iraq. He gets it that the military needs to control military actions, not politicians. He knows that the Bush Administration and Donald Rumsfeld f**ked up in Iraq and called for a new strategy which is showing some success.

His 100 years comment is taken out of context:



His plan is far better than Obama's of leaving 5,000 troops pretty much for the slaughter.


The reason why he voted against the Bush tax cuts was because it did not include a decreases in spending. He voted against the tax cuts again because of the deficit.

He says that the Bush tax cuts should be permanent, but spending should still be cut. If you cut taxes you have to cut spending. It's common sense.


I support McCain's ideas of securing the border. I support putting a lot of immigrants on some path to citizenship because it's downright impossible to deport the vast majority of them and the fact that the United States is a nation of immigrants. I support a guest worker program to help promote legal immigration. And frankly, most illegals take the jobs that me and you don't want. I also feel that instead of targeting the immigrants we should target the employers that willingly and knowingly hire illegal immigrants

Me and you might not want the, but SOME American would take it, for the right price. It's not that immigants to jobs Americans don't want, they do it cheaper. But, that being said, yes, the solution is targeting employers who hire illegals.

At this point, McCain has become Bush Light. Not my favorite brew, to be honest.

jag

McCain > Bush. Deep down, I think he's just pandering to the same base that won Bush the presidency twice. After he gets elected, he'll become the 2000 McCain that so many people say they liked. He's more competent than Bush IMO.

 

[jaguarr]

McCain > Bush. Deep down, I think he's just pandering to the same base that won Bush the presidency twice. After he gets elected, he'll become the 2000 McCain that so many people say they liked. He's more competent than Bush IMO.

Color me doubtful as hell and not holding my breath. And anyway, a chimpanzee is more competent that Bush (and more humane and less selfish to boot).

jag

 

[Matt]

Actually, that title would go to Kucinich.

Not really. Kucinich betrayed everyone he has "fought for" the second he gave his Iowa delegates to a pro-free trade candidate. I've given Kucinich money in the past and supported his campaigns. I feel like I deserve answers as do all of his supporters. There has not been a more vocal opponent of free trade and yet he gave his delegates to one of its most vocal supporters.

 

[StorminNorman]

At this point, McCain has become Bush Light. Not my favorite brew, to be honest.

jag

The only real similarities between Bush and McCain are their strong stances on terror and weak stances on immigration.

 

[BlackLantern]

I wonder what happens after the election...will Hillary finish out her term and leave politics??

 

[Matt]

I wonder what happens after the election...will Hillary finish out her term and leave politics??

I wonder. We all know the only reason that she went for senate is so that she could campaign for the presidency. Wouldn't suprise me for her to retire afterwards.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I wonder what happens after the election...will Hillary finish out her term and leave politics??

I hope so, I am so ashamed to have that carpetbagging b***h being my Senator.

 

[BlackLantern]

I hope so, I am so ashamed to have that carpetbagging b***h being my Senator.

Hmm..HH...why don't you tell us how you really feel??....don't sugarcoat your feelings...

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hmm..HH...why don't you tell us how you really feel??....don't sugarcoat your feelings...

Alright. The truth is that I'm just jealous that Bill married such a beautiful woman. I'm angry that he cheated on her repeatedly yet she still stays with him, ruining my chances to be with her. I love you Hillary. You complete me. I want to be with you and be inside you :heart:

 

[BlackLantern]

Alright. The truth is that I'm just jealous that Bill married such a beautiful woman. I'm angry that he cheated on her repeatedly yet she still stays with him, ruining my chances to be with her. I love you Hillary. You complete me. I want to be with you and be inside you :heart:

Touching....really....I preferred "carpetbagging b**ch"

 

[hippie_hunter]

Touching....really....I preferred "carpetbagging b**ch"

She's my carpetbagging lover.

 

[BlackLantern]

Im sure Obama will be around the political world for a bit....he will probably run again in 2012

 

[jaguarr]

Alright. The truth is that I'm just jealous that Bill married such a beautiful woman. I'm angry that he cheated on her repeatedly yet she still stays with him, ruining my chances to be with her. I love you Hillary. You complete me. I want to be with you and be inside you :heart:

Even joking about that endangers your right to have a penis.

jag

 

[BlackLantern]

LOL jag...but elizabeth kucinich is a whole other story....I want to do naughty naughty things to her....I dont know what Dennis did to get her...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The same could be said about normal American politicians.

Perhaps. Then again, if Ron Paul understood politics, or how to come up with ideas that didn't make him sound like a lunatic, he might not be running dead last in the polls.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Eh, I don't think he sounds like a lunatic. Everything he's been saying is absolutely true--and, put up against what we've been *conditioned to accept from our politicians*, it simply sounds "crazy." It's not.

 

[bell110]

Color me doubtful as hell and not holding my breath. And anyway, a chimpanzee is more competent that Bush (and more humane and less selfish to boot).

jag

I am more than likely not going to vote for him, but I have faith that he would be a better president than all of the front runners.

I wonder what happens after the election...will Hillary finish out her term and leave politics??

If she wins, it will be a interesting. She will really show if America is ready for a female president. Personally, I think we are, just not in Hillary Clinton.

Im sure Obama will be around the political world for a bit....he will probably run again in 2012

Definitely, he's still young.

LOL jag...but elizabeth kucinich is a whole other story....I want to do naughty naughty things to her....I dont know what Dennis did to get her...

Money

Perhaps. Then again, if Ron Paul understood politics, or how to come up with ideas that didn't make him sound like a lunatic, he might not be running dead last in the polls.

Americans like the status quo. They like buzz words and sound bits. If what you have to say is more than two sentences, no one wants to hear it.

 

[AllThingsComic]

I don't get how Dr. Paul sounds like a lunatic? All he is saying is what most Americans having been saying for years, take care of home, mind our business and give America back to the people. What the hell is so crazy about that?

 

[Denny67]

Perhaps. Then again, if Ron Paul understood politics, or how to come up with ideas that didn't make him sound like a lunatic, he might not be running dead last in the polls.

His poll placement has nothing to do with his message or ideas.
The media has controlled the outcome of this election from day one. Ron Paul has been ignored by design and the results are obvious.

In the last debate CNN gave Romney 26 minutes to speak and gave Ron Paul 6 minutes. That has been the norm since the debates have started. Hell Ron Paul had to fight just to be allowed to get on the first one. Both on Fox and CNN they have been called out on this by the ignored candidates and various watchdog groups and they just keep doing it. It is the height of arrogance and corruption, yet the brain dead zombies of this country fall right in line never questioning a thing.

That fact is there are a lot of people who agree with Ron Paul but many of his supporters are starting to feel that even with his strong message he can’t overcome his opponents, the media and the special interest money stacked against him.

Once again, in the real world… the bad guys always win.

 

[AllThingsComic]

The people that get me the most are the ones who say, I like his ideas, but he has no chance of winning, so i'll vote for this guy. I want to pull what little hair I have left right outta my scalp.

 

[Matt]

The people that get me the most are the ones who say, I like his ideas, but he has no chance of winning, so i'll vote for this guy. I want to pull what little hair I have left right outta my scalp.

Its true though. Its been proven time and time against America is a very MODERATE country at the moment. Paul is not that type. So even if a few people like his ideas but are unwilling to vote for him because he is unelectable, its not that big of a difference. Lets assume all those people voted for him. Maybe he would go from 4 to 10 %. Beelieve it or not, there are plenty of people who do not like Paul's ideas. People aren't simply not voting for him due to lack of media coverage or because they do not know who he is or thinks he can't win. People are not voting for him because he comes off as an extremist nut job who is not in sync with the values of most Americans.