GENERAL RAAM582
A Rebellion Built on Hope
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Nice break down t0xin.
Appearance
1. Doc Ock
2. Lizard
3. Sandman
4. Venom
5. Green Goblin
6. New Goblin
Script/Plot
1. Otto Octavius
2. Harry Osborn
3. Flint Marko
4. Curt Connors
5. Norman Osborn
6. Eddie Brock
Performance
1. Alfred Molina
2. Willem Dafoe
3. James Franco
4. Rhys Ifans
5. Thomas Haden Church
6. Topher Grace
I don't know if I would go as far as to say he was murdered in SM3, but it does urk me that Raimi didn't like him. Kinda gave me the idea he wanted to screw the Venom fan-base over.
Stuff I disliked about SM3 Venom
Little screen time is prob my number one complaint about his treatment in SM3.
He asked Sandman for help. Honestly I wanted Venom to be a solo act not feeling the need to team up with people.
He called himself I instead of We, I know Raimi prob thought people would be thinking it was silly to hear him call himself We instead of I. But he should of put the hardcore fans above the casual viewer that won't care that much with how the character was portrayed.
Poor fight scenes, really him and Spidey did not have a single good fight in the movie. Maybe the falling in the sky was good but that was what 7 seconds? Seriously all he did was tie Peter up and taught him.
Exactly how was he going to himulate Peter when he has a whole crowd chanting his name? The point I'm getting at here was he was given poor lines.
Things some people don't like that I actually did
I love the design of Venom for what little time we actually got to see him, honestly the only slow scenes were when he took off the Venom face which is one of the best things about Venom.
I liked his size when compared to Spidey. I don't know why some people thought he was too small. I don't want Venom to look like the symbiote bonded with the Hulk.
Some people thought he sounded like a dinosaur, I didn't mind his noises during the fighting. I mean the symbiote is a alien. It should sound like a alien, not a deep voiced thing.
To sum it all up.
pros
Good design
Good size when compared to Spidey
Interesting choice for noises
I really liked that scene when the music plays and the symbiote is raising above them and Peter looks up in fear and Eddie looks up and smiles. Great Eddie/Symbiote relationship scene IMO.
cons
Short screen time
All the awesome Venom face scenes were too short
All the slow scenes were Eddie's face
I instead of we was used
Teamed up with Sandman
Bad dialogue
Not enough character development I wanted it to be explained that he has all Spidey's powers but stronger versions of them.
Had they decided to use venom in Sm4 it could have been a great movie
Not necessarily. Raimi simply didn't like Venom. With an entire Movie dedicated to him, we would have probably gotten even mora Emo Peter and milk & cookie scenes.
I was actually never bothered by Topher Grace. He could have been a good Brock with better development and had they went with the plot from the comics.
I didn't like his Sandman in any way. He's at the bottom of my list. I felt he was boring on screen, had zero charisma and I just never cared about him.Church I felt did a very good job with Sandman, the movie itself notwithstanding, very subdued, and with a very eerie silent goal driven manner.
Church I felt did a very good job with Sandman, the movie itself notwithstanding, very subdued, and with a very eerie silent goal driven manner.
I didn't like his Sandman in any way. He's at the bottom of my list. I felt he was boring on screen, had zero charisma and I just never cared about him.
We usually say that a good actor "did the best he could with what he was given", but I wouldn't even say that about Thomas Hayden Church. I'd give it to Topher Grace, though. I felt like he was really trying to build something and actually wanted to be there.
Too bad Venom sucked. Just less than Sandman, imo.
I've always thought Sandman would be a decent adversary in an origin. I'm writing a TV pilot for Spidey, for the hell of it! And I've gone with Sandman as the opposition.
I like flints (William baker's) original story. No wife no kid, just crap child hood and a common thug. Spideys villains don't need to have a connection to Parker or have a tragic origin that sets them on a course to live a life of crime. Why can't one villian just be bad to be bad? No attachments, just a rotten person.
Agree with that. I might start a blog and do some fanfics in script form. I do have a whole season in mind - I have a lot of freetime haha.