The Look of the Turtles

[Astro13Zombie]

A racoon wearing socks??? Get real...racoons would never wear socks

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Lol everybody is talking about the necklace and sunglasses,which pretty much fit Mikey's personality, but yet I see few complaints about the Jorts or him rocking the hoodie around his waist like a woman.

1.He's not wearing shorts...you can see that they go all the way down his left leg.
They're just tattered pants.

2.Since when is wearing a hoodie around your waist something only women do?

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I had to

 

[roach]

complaining about changes to a property that has always changed seems silly. OMG he's wearing pants.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

complaining about changes to a property that has always changed seems silly. OMG he's wearing pants.

Adding clothes is a drastic change. Changing Oroku Saki into a white man named Eric Sacks is a drastic change. Having the Foot Soldiers be a group of mercenaries versus ninjas is a drastic change.

Sorry but it's not silly. It's just plain dumb and unnecessary.

 

[roach]

Adding clothes is a drastic change. Changing Oroku Saki into a white man named Eric Sacks is a drastic change. Having the Foot Soldiers be a group of mercenaries versus ninjas is a drastic change.

Sorry but it's not silly. It's just plain dumb and unnecessary.

riiiiight

adding clothes is right up there with color coded masks.
Oroku Saki as a white man...I give you Hamato Yoshi turned into a rat.
Foot soldiers as mercenaries...I give you Foot soldiers as robots.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I'm tired of people complaining about Shredder being a white man named Eric Sachs. If they are using rhe reincarnation storyline it makes sense. You don't choose what form you are resurrected as and if Karai had a hand in it who knows what went on...

 

[roach]

I'm tired of people complaining about Shredder being a white man named Eric Sachs. If they are using rhe reincarnation storyline it makes sense. You don't choose what form you are resurrected as and if Karai had a hand in it who knows what went on...

We won't know what works and what doesn't until we see this film.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

We won't know what works and what doesn't until we see this film.

Exactly

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

riiiiight

adding clothes is right up there with color coded masks.
Oroku Saki as a white man...I give you Hamato Yoshi turned into a rat.
Foot soldiers as mercenaries...I give you Foot soldiers as robots.

1. Colored masks made sense. You needed to tell them apart. A change to the color of bandanas is far less extreme change then giving the Turtles clothes.

2. Oroku Saki as a white man versus Hamato Yoshi being turned into a rat aren't the same thing. I understand your argument as far as changes made to Splinter and Hamato Yoshi's origins but the live-action movie got it right. The 2003 series got it right. Changing Shredder's race completely even anglicizing his name is just cheap and Hollywood whitewashing. Any Japanese actor could've played Oroku Saki. My guess was Fichtner was only picked because of his past with Bay.

3. Foot Soldiers as robots. They still bore the mark of the Foot Clan, they still were ninjas. They still dressed like ninjas. Them being robots wasn't a big deal. I mean you couldn't show human Foot Soldiers being slashed, cut open, beheaded, or dismembered like it were the comics on a kid's show. Besides, both the 2003 and 2012 show and the 2007 animated movie kept them as ninjas so point is invalid.

 

[roach]

1. Colored masks made sense. You needed to tell them apart. A change to the color of bandanas is far less extreme change then giving the Turtles clothes.

2. Oroku Saki as a white man versus Hamato Yoshi being turned into a rat aren't the same thing. I understand your argument as far as changes made to Splinter and Hamato Yoshi's origins but the live-action movie got it right. The 2003 series got it right. Changing Shredder's race completely even anglicizing his name is just cheap and Hollywood whitewashing. Any Japanese actor could've played Oroku Saki. My guess was Fichtner was only picked because of his past with Bay.

3. Foot Soldiers as robots. They still bore the mark of the Foot Clan, they still were ninjas. They still dressed like ninjas. Them being robots wasn't a big deal. I mean you couldn't show human Foot Soldiers being slashed, cut open, beheaded, or dismembered like it were the comics on a kid's show. Besides, both the 2003 and 2012 show and the 2007 animated movie kept them as ninjas so point is invalid.

so what you are saying is that changes should make sense in the context of their format???
So why not give this movie's changes a chance in it's format?

 

[Marvin]

1. Colored masks made sense. You needed to tell them apart. A change to the color of bandanas is far less extreme change then giving the Turtles clothes.

The 'NinjaTurtleFan' of that era could have easily said their weaponry being different could have solved this problem and colored masks are an unnecessary change. What pray tell do the masks add that isn't there already...What's more, why do they even need masks on their face, some sort of secret identity to conceal?
Surely you can see the irony in all of this. It's simply your turn to fight aesthetic change, in 15 years there will be some new person fighting for antiquity for the sake of it.

2. Oroku Saki as a white man versus Hamato Yoshi being turned into a rat aren't the same thing. I understand your argument as far as changes made to Splinter and Hamato Yoshi's origins but the live-action movie got it right.

How do you know that movie got it right? Oh yes, because you saw the film.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

so what you are saying is that changes should make sense in the context of their format???
So why not give this movie's changes a chance in it's format?

I'm simply asking valid questions: Why do the Turtles need to wear clothes or tattoos? Why does The Shredder need to be named Eric Sachs or be white? Why do the Foot Clan need to be mercenaries instead of ninjas?

Perhaps a trailer will put some of my questions and concerns to rest but I think my concerns are legitimate ones.

Let's go back to the bandanas for example. If you're presenting the Turtles to a child and all of the Turtles wear red masks, do you think a child could pick out which Turtle is who from their mask? They might remember their name, weapon of choice, or personality but as far telling who from who I don't think a kid could do that. A teenager or an adult can/could.

Let's go back to the other things we discussed. The 80's-90s show did do a lot of dramatic changes but the 2003 show was more of an adaptation of the comics and the 2012 show is a combination of the comics, old show, and its own thing.

Not all of the incarnations have been perfect. Some changes have been terrible (Shredder as an Utrom for example) and others have made sense for the format. I don't agree with all of them but it's like this... remember the first "G.I. JOE" movie where we finally got a glimpse of Cobra Commander and he didn't look a frigging thing like CC... that's what this is. It has the name and everything but it just doesn't feel like what I love and grew up on. I understand there are/were fans who felt the same thing about the many adaptations of the Turtles, but if one was a fan of the comics more than the TV shows and movies, would they really be okay with Shredder being a white man or the Turtles wearing clothes?

Just saying.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

The 'NinjaTurtleFan' of that era could have easily said their weaponry being different could have solved this problem and colored masks are an unnecessary change. What pray tell do the masks add that isn't there already...What's more, why do they even need masks on their face, some sort of secret identity to conceal?
Surely you can see the irony in all of this. It's simply your turn to fight aesthetic change, in 15 years there will be some new person fighting for antiquity for the sake of it.

How do you know that movie got it right? Oh yes, because you saw the film.

The colored masks gave them their individuality. They still HAD individuality with their personalities and quirks, but look at it aesthetically:

Blue = Positive, leadership. Not too dark or too bright a color.

Red = Color of blood, rage, anger. Fits Raphael well.

Orange = Fun "lighter" color. Mikey is upbeat.

Purple = Dignified, less intrusive than other colors, royalty. Fits Don's mind.

Again, if you were presenting the Turtles to kids and they all wore red do you think, honestly, a kid could figure out who is who? Hell, I don't think some adults could.

But, yes, it has never been explained why the Turtles even need masks or to conceal themselves. But the same question can be asked why do they even need clothes? If you put clothes on them, they're still going to be big, green, tall, walking and talking Turtles.

The core of the story has been four Turtle brothers, raised by a rat, "born" so to speak out of alien ooze, each named after famous Renaissance men, who battle the Shredder (Oroku Saki) and his Foot Clan, both sides are ninjas.

Like I said, one doesn't have to like all the changes made, but that is the core of the story. It's not a hard one to follow.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Why do they need clothes?

They don't. But that's the choice these filmmakers went with so give them a change to show that it works within the context of the story.

Why are the foot clan mercenaries instead of ninjas?

A mercenary is a paid soldier. That's it. No one says ninjas can't be mercenaries. They can be both.

Oroku Saki can't be a white man

Sure he can if they go the reincarnation route. Or maybe it's something else entirely. We won't know until they tell us

Bottom line, you can crap all over a movie you know little about but that's such a waste of time and effort. Let the filmmakers show you their vision and then go to town.

 

[747]

It's not about changes per se; it's about not liking the specific changes (on paper at least).

 

[Poni_Boy]

I understand that, but we're talking about a movie not a book. If you judged every genre film off of the aesthetics of a kid' costume and some toy descriptions then none of these movies would sound good.

 

[747]

Like all things, it's a matter of preconception and conditioning to the brand rather than an objective statement. For example you say Lips and nose look uncanny and creepy...clearly you mean to mean to say in relation to the ninja turtles. However whom are you speaking for, the General audience? Or fans like you?

I say this because big fictional monster creatures such as this dude below has lips and nose and doesn't actually look "uncanny/creepy" imo.

What really is the issue here. Imo, all that stuff can work on turtles, one just needs to approach the brand from a neutral and open mind. The fact of the matter is the eye balls on the turtles during the 90's were very creepy..

Looking at the hulk example, I'd say that goes double for the clothes imo.

It's more the execution and style of the nose and lips that disturb me, not the concept in itself. Which is why I say that I hope that the kids dress-up thing is not indicative of the real deal.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

People talking about if the turtles didn't have different colored masks kids might not recognize them...well if this movie is rated PG-13 kids don't need to go see it...simple as that. If Mikey wakes upnine day and says he wants to wear pants, shut up and let him wear pants!

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Adding clothes is a drastic change. Changing Oroku Saki into a white man named Eric Sacks is a drastic change. Having the Foot Soldiers be a group of mercenaries versus ninjas is a drastic change.

Who says they're not ninjas in this movie?
Are you making that assumption based completely on the set pictures and the fact that they're not dressed like traditional ninjas?

"nin·ja (nĭn′j&#601
n. pl. ninja or nin·jas
A member of a class of 14th-century Japanese mercenary agents who were trained in the martial arts and hired for covert operations such as assassination and sabotage."

Could they not easily fit this description without being dressed like traditional ninjas or carrying traditional weapons?
I mean,they ARE wearing all black...they're just wearing modern tactical gear.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Look, ninjas

 

[Marvin]

^ I refuse to believe those were ninja's based on nolan's fight coverage and choreo.
No way jose.
Namely in TDKR...

 

[Stringer]

1. Colored masks made sense. You needed to tell them apart. A change to the color of bandanas is far less extreme change then giving the Turtles clothes.

So in this version, if the turtles kept the red masks but wore clothes to express their personalities you would have to be ok with that right? I mean it accomplishes the same goals as the masks right?

 

[Nathan]

Definitely not Ninjas. They didn't exhibit and Ninja like qualities.

 

[Poni_Boy]

^ I refuse to believe those were ninja's based on nolan's fight coverage and choreo.
No way jose.
Namely in TDKR...

In that case I refuse to believe those were all cops in TDKR. Namely because they all shuffled into the sewer and none of them had guns.

But I digress